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My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« on: August 29, 2022, 09:48:08 AM »
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My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story

Let me say that I will try to be brief (while telling the whole story) and none of this is Whoa is me BS. This is my story of my decisions.

It took me 10 years to get my accounting degree. The last 5 semesters were brutal both in time and personal relationships. I busted my ass. I had no idea until fairly recently that I was part of the 1/3 of most of my classes who passed courses. I was super driven and figure we were all going for A’s.
That 10 years included 2 1/2 years of just working, 1 year of a 40 hour a week job AND school, and 3 years in the Army where I picked up 10 credits.
The GI Bill gave me $715 a month - have at it food rent and school if anything is left.
My first 2 years were at a $7K/year private mostly party school. I paid as I went at a cheap commuter school in the middle. I think $2-2,500 a semester at the end which was pretty reasonable for the mid-90’s.

I paid here and there. Hey it was the 90’s and there was fun to be had. I had fun. I was very irresponsible on paying on my loan. In 2009 it was time to be responsible. I called DOE and got on a payment plan. $270 a month. Never missed a payment until 2020 when payments stopped.

In total I figure that I borrowed $25,000.
Not bad really.

To date from 2009 until as things stand now I have paid $34,000. Okay.

My balance on my loans as of today is......$34,000.

Currently at 0% internet but the 6+% will kick back in next year I’d assume.

I have no idea if my story is typical and I don’t care. It’s my doing and that’s it.
I have applied for a service forgiveness. I’ve worked at several public and charity operations. We’ll see.
DH is an accountant. D-I-L is an accountant. If underpants couldn't pay his student loans off with an accounting degree, he must be a really crappy accountant.

At least he "claims" to be embarrassed by his history.

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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2022, 10:09:38 AM »
Brevity isn’t my gift, but:

I studied.

I graduated.

I started my career.

I lived within my means.

I paid my FISL.

I got married and had munchkins.

I doubt I’m unique.
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2022, 10:42:40 AM »
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Currently at 0% internet but the 6+% will kick back in next year I’d assume.

0% internet? What kind of accounting is this?

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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2022, 10:47:25 AM »
0% internet? What kind of accounting is this?

Maybe s/h/it is an "accoutant" in the same way PC Intern is a "doctor/dentist"?
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2022, 10:57:16 AM »
It took my insane sister 6 years to get a 4 year BA in speech and drama which is an impressive accomplishment as this is probably a smidgen harder than a degree in basket weaving or dumpster diving for fun an profit as a career. This is an individual that has negative amounts of performing arts talent, she literally can't act, can't dance and can't sing. Actually, in normal conversation she talks through her nose and is annoying to converse with. In 4 years of high school and trying out for every drama club play, she scored a zero on getting casted in any production big or small. She has the kind of useful degree that is driving the student loan forgiveness movement (stupid degrees with a low to no return on investment). In my opinion, Western State Univ (CO) and Monmouth Univ (NJ) should be sued for accepting (and graduating) talentless students into their performing arts programs.

Anyway...

Mrs fatboy and yours truly took out a Parents Plus Loan for our daughter for $21k. A PPL is the exact same as a federal student loan except it is in the parents name, same terms and conditions. The funds were dispersed in fall of 2012 ($10.5k) and spring 2013 ($10.5k). My daughter was in a 5 year program which finished in summer of 2017.

We started paying it back after the grace period, the payment was $356.00/month, we sent in $400 Neither of us gave it much thought until the COVID hit which put it in forbearance. I looked and found out we owed way more than we thought. I was then told about capitalization (since I think 2010 guess who enacted that under the guise of reform) where they add interest to the outstanding balance retro to the time it was dispersed. This is the reason why interest mounts so fast on student loans, compound interest on unpaid balances retroactive. In the past the government didn't do this. For example my 1976 student loan $9k I paid a total of $177.00 interest on that.

So we picked up the pace and made huge payments during the interest free forbearance and paid it off in Oct 2021 (6 1/2 years early) total paid $33k on a $21k loan that was in interest free forbearance for 18 months. Had we paid the min over 10 years the $21k would have had a $43k cost.
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2022, 11:00:31 AM »
Sounds like he had trouble with mafamaticks and english! :lmao:
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2022, 11:17:04 AM »
Sounds like he had trouble with mafamaticks and english! :lmao:

Which means he'd be a shoo-in for #JoeThePedophile's new job openings at the IRS. (Bet he shoots as well as he counts, too.)
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2022, 11:23:05 AM »
Sounds like he had trouble with mafamaticks and english! :lmao:


     Imagine being so stupid as to pay the absolute minimum on an interest-bearing obligation. And this complete waste of skin is an ACCOUNTANT.

     Even $100/mo above interest only (or, in DUmmy terms, one or two fewer lids of weed) per month would knock that down in rapid order.

     Dumb****.
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2022, 12:03:45 PM »

     Imagine being so stupid as to pay the absolute minimum on an interest-bearing obligation. And this complete waste of skin is an ACCOUNTANT.

     Even $100/mo above interest only (or, in DUmmy terms, one or two fewer lids of weed) per month would knock that down in rapid order.

     Dumb****.

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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2022, 12:42:47 PM »
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My balance on my loans as of today is......$34,000.

Take $10k off (thank you president stupid), underpants still owes $24k which means this DUmmy needs to pick up the repayment pace and will end up paying about $45k between now and the day the loan is paid off if ever. Good times ahead!
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2022, 01:11:57 PM »
Take $10k off (thank you president stupid), underpants still owes $24k which means this DUmmy needs to pick up the repayment pace and will end up paying about $45k between now and the day the loan is paid off if ever. Good times ahead!

the plan with these fools will be to wait until the next round of "forgiveness" . :whatever:
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2022, 02:16:58 PM »
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I paid here and there 1.. Hey it was the 90’s and there was fun to be had. I had fun 2.. I was very irresponsible on paying on my loan 3.. In 2009 it was time to be responsible. I called DOE and got on a payment plan. $270 a month 4.. Never missed a payment until 2020 when payments stopped 5..

1. Bet the interest was tacked on every month. He has an Accounting degree and didn't figure that out? :thatsright:

2. Having fun doesn't have to be doing it stupidly. underpants did it stupid. :thatsright:

3. He has an Accounting degree and didn't realize that the interest kept compounding? :thatsright:

4. He has an Accounting degree and didn't realize that that payment plan was minimal payments $$ and maximum pay-off time? That is not being responsible. He has an Accounting degree and didn't realize that paying an extra $50 or $100 toward principal on top of the plan's $270 would significantly accelerate the pay-off time? :thatsright:

5. So, at a time when interest stopped accruing and every payment $ decreased the balance owed by a $, underpants stupidly ceased payments entirely. :thatsright:  :thatsright:  :thatsright:

How in Hades did underpants pass 6th Grade Math without understanding how monumentally stupid he was acting, over several decades?!
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2022, 02:29:43 PM »
Had we paid the min over 10 years the $21k would have had a $43k cost.

See, this is the saga of near every person who gets involved in a damned student loan. The shi* is worse than high interest credit cards.
And what happens when you make un-affordable education accessible to 19 year-olds through magic loans?  Lots of serious dumbf***ery, that's what.
It's all pie in the sky for a young kid on his way to college. that kid has no understanding of the weight this will load on their shoulders for what turns into decades sometimes. It's as easy as a signature... magic. And when said 19YO's have access to nearly unlimited funds for education, what do these valiant educational institutions do?  Raise the price even more, as high as they possibly can, and people still accept it because.. well, student loan.  It a circle of dirty scams, and offers little ROI in most cases.
Half of those kids or more drop out anyway, stuck owing that money. and even the ones who actually get their degree wind up in a mediocre job that pays far less than what they were promised years ago when they were talking to people about their career after education.
And Pedo Joe just tossed gasoline on that dumpster fire by subsidizing these scam artists with even MORE available cash, emboldening not only more of the same, but an increase in the profit margins of these greasy participants.

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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2022, 03:44:34 PM »
1. Bet the interest was tacked on every month. He has an Accounting degree and didn't figure that out? :thatsright:

2. Having fun doesn't have to be doing it stupidly. underpants did it stupid. :thatsright:

3. He has an Accounting degree and didn't realize that the interest kept compounding? :thatsright:

4. He has an Accounting degree and didn't realize that that payment plan was minimal payments $$ and maximum pay-off time? That is not being responsible. He has an Accounting degree and didn't realize that paying an extra $50 or $100 toward principal on top of the plan's $270 would significantly accelerate the pay-off time? :thatsright:

5. So, at a time when interest stopped accruing and every payment $ decreased the balance owed by a $, underpants stupidly ceased payments entirely. :thatsright:  :thatsright:  :thatsright:

How in Hades did underpants pass 6th Grade Math without understanding how monumentally stupid he was acting, over several decades?!

AOC has a degree in Economics.  :banghead:
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2022, 04:34:31 PM »
Re: #5, payments didn't "stop." You just weren't required to make them. My son continued to make payments throughout the pandemic, and why not? His income actually went UP, since his UIA was higher than his wages. He even called his accountant father to make sure that was right, because he was afraid it'd been a mistake, and that he would have to repay the overpayment.

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2022, 05:29:36 PM »
AOC has a degree in Economics.  :banghead:

Not really.  She got a degree in "International Relations" or some such with a 'concentration' in Econ.
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2022, 05:32:10 PM »
Brevity isn’t my gift, but:

I studied.

I graduated.

I started my career.

I lived within my means.

I paid my FISL.

I got married and had munchkins.

I doubt I’m unique.

My late stepfather dropped out of HS to join the Navy.  Got his GED while enlisted.  Mustered out and went to Jr. College/4 year college on the GI Bill in the 50's.  Started teaching and got his Master's and Specialist Degree; eventually became an elementary school principal. 
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2022, 05:36:06 PM »
Re: #5, payments didn't "stop." You just weren't required to make them. My son continued to make payments throughout the pandemic, and why not? His income actually went UP, since his UIA was higher than his wages. He even called his accountant father to make sure that was right, because he was afraid it'd been a mistake, and that he would have to repay the overpayment.

Yeah, undies-boy's income probably was unaffected, but he stupidly decided not to take advantage of interest not accruing by paying down his balance. $270 x ## months (12? 18? 24?) would have knocked over $1000 off the principal every 4 months. undies-boy just decided to be stupid and forgo the opportunity to pay off sooner and have a lower total pay-off.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2022, 05:44:53 PM »
My late stepfather dropped out of HS to join the Navy.  Got his GED while enlisted.  Mustered out and went to Jr. College/4 year college on the GI Bill in the 50's.  Started teaching and got his Master's and Specialist Degree; eventually became an elementary school principal.

I have no problem with veterans benefits, possibly unlike some DUmmies. In one way or another, vets put their lives on the line for our country, whether during war or peace, often for a pittance plus less than fancy room and board (yeah, I'm generalizing).

Interesting that he used a JC for part of his 4-year degree. Very frugal (my son used the local JC, at a much lower cost, to get most of the required gen-ed courses done before transferring to ______State U). Your SF sounds like an impressive guy.
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Re: My own prohibitive and embarrassing student loan story
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2022, 06:02:18 PM »
I have no problem with veterans benefits, possibly unlike some DUmmies. In one way or another, vets put their lives on the line for our country, whether during war or peace, often for a pittance plus less than fancy room and board (yeah, I'm generalizing).

Interesting that he used a JC for part of his 4-year degree. Very frugal (my son used the local JC, at a much lower cost, to get most of the required gen-ed courses done before transferring to ______State U). Your SF sounds like an impressive guy.

At the time, he was poorer than poor.  Some cousins who were also at college would bring him 'care packages' of crackers/peanut butter and such to help tide him over.  The JC college was an interesting story involving his starting after the semester/quarter had already started but the admissions officer "worked him in".
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2022, 08:04:24 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2022, 08:34:19 AM »
Not into horseback riding?

 :rotf: and :hi5: ! I noticed that one, but that DU OP is such a target-rich environment I forgot about it.
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