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Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« on: November 05, 2017, 03:04:26 PM »

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At least 27 people have died after a gunman opened fire at a church in Texas during Sunday services.

The attack happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs in Wilson County.

A police commissioner at the scene confirmed that at least 27 people had died. Several others are reported to be injured.

The San Antonio FBI branch said its agents had been deployed, and there was no indication of the gunman's motive.

The FBI also said that while only one shooter was reported, it was looking into other possibilities.

Local ABC affiliate KSAT 12 reported the gunman entered the church at around 11:30 local time (17:30 GMT). It also said he had been killed in the aftermath.

Photos and video from the scene showed the area taped off by local law enforcement.

A number of helicopters have arrived to transport the wounded, KSAT 12 reporter Max Massey said.

Texas governor Greg Abbott said: "Our prayers are with all who were harmed by this evil act. Our thanks to law enforcement for their response."

He said more details would be released by the Texas Department of Public Safety shortly.

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 03:38:41 PM »
Some of the comments on FOX News are vile.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05/mass-shooting-reported-at-texas-sutherland-springs-church.html

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 03:40:53 PM »
Dems renew calls for gun control in wake of Texas church shooting
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/358868-democrats-renew-calls-for-gun-control-in-wake-of-texas-church-shooting

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Democrats are renewing their calls for gun reform after news reports surfaced about a mass shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

Multiple people are dead after gunfire erupted at the church, which is not far outside San Antonio, according to reports.

Sens. Bob Casey (Pa.) and Dick Durbin (Ill.) were among the Demoncrats who urged Congress to act in response to the latest deadly shooting.

"I’m thinking of and praying for all those impacted by the shooting in Texas. In addition to offering my prayers and thoughts I also believe Congress must take action on gun violence," Casey wrote in two separate tweets.

The Dems are at it again. We do not even know who the killer is.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2017, 03:43:54 PM »
Hmm, thought that no one should jump to conclusions & politicize such a horrible act.

Only Democrats can, I guess.

Not even wading into DUmmyville for their sick reactions.

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 03:46:44 PM »
Hmm, thought that no one should jump to conclusions & politicize such a horrible act.

Only Democrats can, I guess.

Not even wading into DUmmyville for their sick reactions.

My thoughts & prayers to the community.

Pretty sickening of them like what Hayley Geftman Gold said after the Las Vegas Massacre.

That being said, I like to extend my deepest and utmost condolences to the people of Sutherland Springs.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 03:56:59 PM »
According to this article he was in "full combat dress" whatever that means.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html

What gets into people to cause them to do something like this?   :mental:
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2017, 03:59:19 PM »
According to this article he was in "full combat dress" whatever that means.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html

What gets into people to cause them to do something like this?   :mental:

I don't know. The killer has not been identified.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 04:04:50 PM »
Twitter is full of leftist idiots.

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Best way to honor the victims of Sutherland Springs is to strengthen our gun control laws and prevent these massacres from happening again.
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Trucks were made for a purpose other than killing. Guns were made for exactly that. There's a big damn difference.

One of the things that would help would be taking away guns from domestic abusers. Would it stop every shooting? No, but it WOULD stop a lot of them. That may /1

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I still think the biggest difference is one is made for killing, so agree to disagree.

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And sorry, I don't see gun safety as punishment. Not even a little. Not when too many actual innocents are killed with weapons made to do just that- kill.
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Now Joel olstein will find a way to profit from it.

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A random baptist church? Really? Couldn't he at least have hit Joel olstein? Then he'd at least have a little respect.
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...from happening again AND AGAIN AND AGAIN! This is New Rebulican Age of Trump. This is #TheDeconstructionOfAmerica!
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 04:10:23 PM »
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27 dead, 24 injured in Sutherland Springs: Once again, our problem is not Muslims. It's imbeciles in denial about a country awash in guns.
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How about leftist problem?

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#EnoughIsEnough we must #StopNRA

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The NRA is public enemy number 1

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@NRA is the most dangerous domestic terrorist organization #EnoughIsEnough
How about ALF, ELF, Greenpeace, and PETA.

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There were gun holders in the church....that didn't stop it. The @NRA is liars

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Very Incorrect. Gun violence per capita is lower all across Europe.

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Mexico is also lower than the USA. Stop making bs up.
How about those drug wars in Mexico?

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 04:38:24 PM »
For a different perspective, mainly for the whiny assed libs, check this out:

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Police-Two-shot-during-home-invasion-in-Logan-County-455197643.html

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 04:47:58 PM »
No offense to those of my conservative friends who are on Twitter.  But I have found it to be a cesspool of mostly leftist group think.  Started a couple of accounts, but just don't have time to deal with so many mindless idiots.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 04:49:47 PM »
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 04:52:34 PM »
No offense to those of my conservative friends who are on Twitter.  But I have found it to be a cesspool of mostly leftist group think.  Started a couple of accounts, but just don't have time to deal with so many mindless idiots.

Twitter is a cesspool. Thank god I do not have an account there.

They are such vultures right now in light of the massacre.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2017, 05:13:39 PM »
remember there was a story about antifa meeting with ISIS in Europe during the G20 protests.
The killer may well be a Lefty.

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 05:25:14 PM »
From various sources (Of which I am posting the link where it was first reported)  new information:
(It is not clear if the photos shown are the guy but the name and background are supposed to be correct according to CBS!?)

Texas Church Shooter is in Southerland Springs, TX is Identified as Devon Patrick Kelly

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Church members seemed to have known the perpetrator, who some call a convert to Islam

http://www.smobserved.com/story/2017/11/05/news/texas-church-shooter-is-in-southerland-springs-tx-is-identified-as-devon-patrick-kelly/3188.html

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 09:21:00 PM »
Texas church shooting: Who is gunman Devin Patrick Kelley?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

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The gunman previously served in the U.S. Air Force, an Air Force spokesperson confirmed to Fox News. Kelley served at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his discharge.

He was court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and his child. Kelley received a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force, in addition to confinement for 12 months and was reduced in rank.

Devin Kelley was dishonorably discharged from the United States Air Force.

UPDATE: Sutherland Springs Shooter Devin Kelley Was Dishonorably Discharged, Court Martialed in 2014 – Against the Law to Own Guns
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/update-sutherland-springs-shooter-devin-kelley-dishonorable-discharged-court-martialed-2014-law-guns/

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Devin Kelley was court martialed in 2014 after a dishonorable discharge.

Here is the case number:
No. 14-0387/AF.  U.S. v. Devin P. KELLEY.  CCA 38267.

According to McMilitary Law: States have laws for gun control for court martial cases.
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Federal and state laws do place restrictions on the purchase of firearms by those convicted of felonies. 18 USC § 922(b). Many jurisdictions distinguish between violent and non-violent offenses.

It was against the law for Devin to own firearms.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2017, 07:40:21 AM »
From various sources (Of which I am posting the link where it was first reported)  new information:
(It is not clear if the photos shown are the guy but the name and background are supposed to be correct according to CBS!?)

Texas Church Shooter is in Southerland Springs, TX is Identified as Devon Patrick Kelly

http://www.smobserved.com/story/2017/11/05/news/texas-church-shooter-is-in-southerland-springs-tx-is-identified-as-devon-patrick-kelly/3188.html

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The shooter walked into the church in Southerland Springs Texas at 11/45 am. Churchgoers knew the shooter, Devon Patrick Kelly, who carried automatic weapons.

The shooter is dead. He has not been officially identified, but Mustachio Tweeted: #texaschurchshooting shooter is 29 year old US marine turned muslim convert, Samir Al-Hajeed. His manifesto is making its rounds on the web."

The killer did not use "automatic weapons".

The killer is not currently a member of any of the US armed forces.

The killer was in the Air Force.

The "paper" that posted this is in Santa Monica, CA, an Orange County beach city half a continent (nearly 1400 miles) away from where the shooting happened.

The "source" for "paper"'s "report" is an annoymorous Twitter user who may live in Xian, China for all readers know.

The "paper" that posted this is a weekly freebie throwaway whose major activity seems to be publishing DBA notices. IOW, it's a little more credible as a news source than the now defunct Weekly World News (home of "Bat Boy").
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2017, 07:41:38 AM »
Texas church shooting: Who is gunman Devin Patrick Kelley?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

Devin Kelley was dishonorably discharged from the United States Air Force.

UPDATE: Sutherland Springs Shooter Devin Kelley Was Dishonorably Discharged, Court Martialed in 2014 – Against the Law to Own Guns
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/update-sutherland-springs-shooter-devin-kelley-dishonorable-discharged-court-martialed-2014-law-guns/

Yet he legally purchased his gun(s).  The background check failed to catch him, yet the demonrats want more background checks.

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2017, 09:21:53 AM »
Yet he legally purchased his gun(s).  The background check failed to catch him, yet the demonrats want more background checks.

There are no laws that would have kept this from happening.  Other than make liberals feel useful.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2017, 09:40:18 AM »
Yet he legally purchased his gun(s).  The background check failed to catch him, yet the demonrats want more background checks.

Supposedly, he falsified the one answer to a question about the disposition of his prior service; i.e., dishonorable discharge or the like.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2017, 09:45:03 AM »
Supposedly, he falsified the one answer to a question about the disposition of his prior service; i.e., dishonorable discharge or the like.

True, but the purpose of the federal background checks are to catch those lies.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2017, 09:59:35 AM »
I read today in military.com that the perp didn't receive a DD - he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, reduced to E-1, and thrown out of the AF. His crime was assaulting his then-wife and child. The assaults occurred in 2012 and he got his Big Chicken Dinner in 2014.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2017, 10:10:47 AM »
I read today in military.com that the perp didn't receive a DD - he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, reduced to E-1, and thrown out of the AF. His crime was assaulting his then-wife and child. The assaults occurred in 2012 and he got his Big Chicken Dinner in 2014.

And he purchased his weapon after that.

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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2017, 10:34:03 AM »
If he was convicted of assaulting his wife or had a DD both disqualifies him from owning a gun.

If he purchased the guns from a licensed dealer it is the states fault for not denying the purchase when his background check was performed.
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Re: Texas church shooting leaves many dead
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2017, 11:04:09 AM »
If he was convicted of assaulting his wife or had a DD both disqualifies him from owning a gun.

If he purchased the guns from a licensed dealer it is the states fault for not denying the purchase when his background check was performed.

What if the Air Force didn't tell the FBI about the domestic assault?
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