Any school that allows teachers to be armed, you should refuse to send your chil

[Freeper]

bluestateguy (39,598 posts)

Any school that allows teachers to be armed, you should refuse to send your child to that school


 
The schools lose tax money when children withdraw or even when they miss a single day of classes.

So any school that allows such an abominable policy deserves a mass exodus of parents either yanking their kids out of that school or keeping them at home until the policy is changed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022023474

Yeah because a responsible person with a gun is something to fear. 

doc03 (13,237 posts)
1. I don't see anything wrong with arming a teacher as long as they have the

proper training not just some CCW permit anyone can get if they pay the fee.

Wow I bet this DUmmy is not long for the world of skins island.

Bigmack (6,290 posts)
4. Jesus H. Christ! ..

Do you imagine some kindergarden teacher... even heavily armed and trained... kindergarten teacher is gonna be able to “hold 'em and squeeze 'em” while under fire and trying to shield her kids..? Somebody who has never fired a round in combat is going to calmly fire a head shot on somebody wearing body armor? Dream on. The "Die Hard" movies are not documentaries.

Where is the teacher going to wear or store their weapon? Kids get into everything in classrooms. Any teacher will tell you about how their keys/purse/grade book was stolen. Imagine a handgun going adrift in a junior high school. You really want teachers wearing a handgun at their waists? That’s a recipe for an accidental discharge. If the teacher’s weapon is locked away securely, how long would it take to retrieve it in an emergency?

Ever hear of fratricide... blue on blue... friendly fire...? It happens with the best of trained troops. Think Pat Tilman. Now think 3 or 4 untrained shooters spraying rounds around a school. I've been in firefights, and I can tell you it's not like the movies. Those ****ing TV programs, videogames, and movies have warped people's idea of what the real thing is like. Hunters will tell you about "buck fever"... shaking like a dog shitting peach pits aiming at Bambi. A lot worse when your life... and the lives of your kids... are at stake.

With teachers - or anybody else - you're talking about a bloodbath before the bad guy gets off a single round. How would the teacher/guard know that anybody with a weapon wasn't the bad guy? They’d shoot each other, or more probably miss and kill those they are trying to protect.

And what do think the cops are going to see when they arrive...? A teacher standing there with a weapon. Bye-bye (hero) teacher!

Teachers are trained to teach. They are not warriors. These days, I'd even be nervous having a cop armed with a handgun on campus... he could be overpowered and the weapon used on students.

I have no idea what to do to stop the school shootings, but I know arming the teachers or students is dumbest goddam idea I have ever heard.

Besides... teachers - especially elementary teachers - are surrogate parents, counselors, nurses.....are you gonna ask them to be armed guards, too.? Anybody willing to pay teachers combat pay..?

 

etherealtruth (7,636 posts)
2. No guns in schools!

I would personally like 'No guns" anywhere ... but, I will settle for "No guns in schools" (and several other actions)

That whole gun free zone thing sure worked well didn't it? 

sadbear (3,309 posts)
5. I would take my children out of their schools if they allowed guns in the classroom.

The DUmmies have this irrational fear of guns. A gun is like any other tool in the wrong hands it can be deadly, in the right hands it can provide a benefit. Just imagine if the next sick **** that wants to try this was confronted with the thought that as soon as he broke in the school that someone would blow him away. They pick gun free zones for a reason, so they can do maximum damage.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I'm all in favor of disarming union thugs.

 

[USA4ME]

bluestateguy

Any school that allows teachers to be armed, you should refuse to send your child to that school

I remember school days when I wished my teachers were armless.

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[ChuckJ]

I remember school days when I wished my teachers were armless.

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Armless teachers wouldn't have helped me. The only things my teachers used arms for were writing on the chalkboard and paddling asses, and I only had a couple that did much writing on the chalkboard. As for the paddling asses part, any armless ones would have just sent me to the principal's office. Actually, a couple of the ones with arms sent me to the principal's office.

I still remember my 10th grade trip to the principal's office. Another guy and I had gotten sent for joking around in class. The principal gave the other guy three quick whacks with the paddle. Then called me up to his desk. The top button on my shirt was unbuttoned. Not the collar button, but the first one below the collar button. He chewed me out for having the button undone. Told me that it was a school house and not a whore house. He gave me three whacks also, but it wasn't like what he gave the other guy. I think he was trying to knock me through his desk. I did wish that he was armless at the time.

[Mr Mannn]

Yes, because it's morally superior to watch your children die in a gun free zone that to have an armed individual protect them.

[I_B_Perky]

I remember school days when I wished my teachers were armless.

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Me too! Man some of them teachers could blister your hind end with a paddle. Specially in May when it got hot in the afternoon and you was wearing shorts. (For the dummies... we didn't have AC in those days so we wore as little clothing as we could get away with).

[thundley4]

Bigmack (6,290 posts)
4. Jesus H. Christ! ..

Do you imagine some kindergarden teacher... even heavily armed and trained... kindergarten teacher is gonna be able to “hold 'em and squeeze 'em” while under fire and trying to shield her kids..? Somebody who has never fired a round in combat is going to calmly fire a head shot on somebody wearing body armor? Dream on.

Didn't one of the teachers or was it a principal, die while rushing unarmed at the shooter?  If that had had a gun, they might still be alive and so would many others, possibly.

[98ZJUSMC]

bluestateguy (39,598 posts)

Any school that allows teachers to be armed, you should refuse to send your child to that school

Is that a promise?

[98ZJUSMC]

Yes, because it's morally superior to watch your children die in a gun free zone that to have an armed individual protect them.

Photo ops being sooooo important to the........ cause.

[Jasonw560]

Hope all of these clueless bastards get sent to Utah, and have to homeschool their kids.

Or in the area comprising of Harrold (TX) ISD.

[Airwolf]

It's worked well in Israel . Anyone that tries to attack a school there will definitely get shot

[Texacon]

So I guess it's impossible to believe a teacher was ever anything other than a teacher. I guess they could never have been a soldier of any kind first.

God they're stupid.

KC

[tac]

bluestateguy (39,598 posts)

Any school that allows teachers to be armed, you should refuse to send your child to that school


 
The schools lose tax money when children withdraw or even when they miss a single day of classes.

So any school that allows such an abominable policy deserves a mass exodus of parents either yanking their kids out of that school or keeping them at home until the policy is changed.

I agree, send them to a school that bans guns; then you can complain even more when that school is attacked. 

[MrsSmith]

No teacher must be armed...just the possibility will end the shootings.  Of course, the really sick will just decide to kill kids with bombs or cars or something else.   

[AprilRazz]

So I guess it's impossible to believe a teacher was ever anything other than a teacher. I guess they could never have been a soldier of any kind first.

God they're stupid.

KC

They do have that troops to teachers program. I know the boy's math teacher in middle school was prior military.

But at the same time the thought of Pammy packing heat does make me a little nervous.

[FiddyBeowulf]

Bigmack (6,290 posts)
4. Jesus H. Christ! ..

Do you imagine some kindergarden teacher... even heavily armed and trained... kindergarten teacher is gonna be able to “hold 'em and squeeze 'em” while under fire and trying to shield her kids..blah, blah, blah..?

The DUmmie does not understand the deterrent effect of armed persons on the premises. There is a reason you never hear of shooting massacres at gun shows, gun stores, shooting ranges and police stations.

[JohnnyReb]

The South Carolina legislature will take up a bill to arm school teachers in January. I hope that there hasn't been enough lily livered liberals moving into the state to defeat the bill.

[Rebel]

To you lurking, DUmbass goons at DU, allow me to repeat:


There's a reason the targets are always "soft" targets like schools and malls that all too often have "this is a gun-free facility" signs. You don't see gun shows being robbed, even though there are hundreds of thousands around depending on the show. Millions if you include inventory. As for a proactive move, because I'm sick of knee-jerk reactive moves by politicians that solve NOTHING, find one or two teachers at each wing, make them go through training, and arm them. In Georgia, there are MANY veterans and retired military teaching school right now due to the TAP program that know how to properly handle firearms. Some will say, "but what if the teacher goes on a rampage?" To that I say, A) when's the last time that ever happened, and B ) what prevents him/her from doing it now? We know the alternative to teachers NOT being armed now, don't we?

New laws don't work since there are already laws against everything on the book. How long has murder been illegal? By liberal logic, it shouldn't exist, right? I mean, it's illegal. I know, let's make it even MORE illegal. Yeah, that'll work. Logic is anathema to an emotional thinker. Criminals don't follow laws. That's why they're criminals. It's not rocket science.

Pearl High School, 1997.
Student killed mother, drives to school and killed two students. Apprehended by armed principal five minutes before police arrived. No further casualties.

Parker Middle School, 1998.
Student killed one teacher at a restaurant near a school dance. Apprehended by armed restaurant owner eleven minutes before police arrived. No further casualties.

Appalachian School of Law, 2002.
Student killed two teachers and one student. Apprehended by two armed students, who were also off duty law enforcement officers, before police arrived. No further casualties.

New Life Church, 2007.
Gunman killed five people. Armed security guard shot and wounded gunman, who then fatally shot himself. No further casualties.

Trolley Square Shopping Mall, 2007.
Gunman killed five people. Cornered by armed mall patron, who was an off duty police officer, until police arrived and shot gunman dead. No further casualties.

New Destiny Christian Center, 2012.
Gunman killed one person. Armed church member who was an off duty police officer shot and killed gunman. No further casualties.


Want to know what criminals see when they see "This is a Gun-Free Facility"?

[txradioguy]

To you lurking, DUmbass goons at DU, allow me to repeat:


There's a reason the targets are always "soft" targets like schools and malls that all too often have "this is a gun-free facility" signs. You don't see gun shows being robbed, even though there are hundreds of thousands around depending on the show. Millions if you include inventory. As for a proactive move, because I'm sick of knee-jerk reactive moves by politicians that solve NOTHING, find one or two teachers at each wing, make them go through training, and arm them. In Georgia, there are MANY veterans and retired military teaching school right now due to the TAP program that know how to properly handle firearms. Some will say, "but what if the teacher goes on a rampage?" To that I say, A) when's the last time that ever happened, and B ) what prevents him/her from doing it now? We know the alternative to teachers NOT being armed now, don't we?

New laws don't work since there are already laws against everything on the book. How long has murder been illegal? By liberal logic, it shouldn't exist, right? I mean, it's illegal. I know, let's make it even MORE illegal. Yeah, that'll work. Logic is anathema to an emotional thinker. Criminals don't follow laws. That's why they're criminals. It's not rocket science.

Pearl High School, 1997.
Student killed mother, drives to school and killed two students. Apprehended by armed principal five minutes before police arrived. No further casualties.

Parker Middle School, 1998.
Student killed one teacher at a restaurant near a school dance. Apprehended by armed restaurant owner eleven minutes before police arrived. No further casualties.

Appalachian School of Law, 2002.
Student killed two teachers and one student. Apprehended by two armed students, who were also off duty law enforcement officers, before police arrived. No further casualties.

New Life Church, 2007.
Gunman killed five people. Armed security guard shot and wounded gunman, who then fatally shot himself. No further casualties.

Trolley Square Shopping Mall, 2007.
Gunman killed five people. Cornered by armed mall patron, who was an off duty police officer, until police arrived and shot gunman dead. No further casualties.

New Destiny Christian Center, 2012.
Gunman killed one person. Armed church member who was an off duty police officer shot and killed gunman. No further casualties.


Want to know what criminals see when they see "This is a Gun-Free Facility"?

[wasp69]

The South Carolina legislature will take up a bill to arm school teachers in January. I hope that there hasn't been enough lily livered liberals moving into the state to defeat the bill.

Are they really?  Where did you hear that?

[98ZJUSMC]

To you lurking, DUmbass goons at DU, allow me to repeat:


There's a reason the targets are always "soft" targets like schools and malls that all too often have "this is a gun-free facility" signs. You don't see gun shows being robbed, even though there are hundreds of thousands around depending on the show. Millions if you include inventory. As for a proactive move, because I'm sick of knee-jerk reactive moves by politicians that solve NOTHING, find one or two teachers at each wing, make them go through training, and arm them. In Georgia, there are MANY veterans and retired military teaching school right now due to the TAP program that know how to properly handle firearms. Some will say, "but what if the teacher goes on a rampage?" To that I say, A) when's the last time that ever happened, and B ) what prevents him/her from doing it now? We know the alternative to teachers NOT being armed now, don't we?

New laws don't work since there are already laws against everything on the book. How long has murder been illegal? By liberal logic, it shouldn't exist, right? I mean, it's illegal. I know, let's make it even MORE illegal. Yeah, that'll work. Logic is anathema to an emotional thinker. Criminals don't follow laws. That's why they're criminals. It's not rocket science.

Pearl High School, 1997.
Student killed mother, drives to school and killed two students. Apprehended by armed principal five minutes before police arrived. No further casualties.

Parker Middle School, 1998.
Student killed one teacher at a restaurant near a school dance. Apprehended by armed restaurant owner eleven minutes before police arrived. No further casualties.

Appalachian School of Law, 2002.
Student killed two teachers and one student. Apprehended by two armed students, who were also off duty law enforcement officers, before police arrived. No further casualties.

New Life Church, 2007.
Gunman killed five people. Armed security guard shot and wounded gunman, who then fatally shot himself. No further casualties.

Trolley Square Shopping Mall, 2007.
Gunman killed five people. Cornered by armed mall patron, who was an off duty police officer, until police arrived and shot gunman dead. No further casualties.

New Destiny Christian Center, 2012.
Gunman killed one person. Armed church member who was an off duty police officer shot and killed gunman. No further casualties.


Want to know what criminals see when they see "This is a Gun-Free Facility"?

Excellent list.  Thank you!

[Wineslob]

Bigmack (6,290 posts)
4. Jesus H. Christ! ..

His help, you need it, idiot.

[wasp69]

To you lurking, DUmbass goons at DU, allow me to repeat:

....

Wonderful, articulate, accurate, and well said.  I wish to Almighty God that liberals had an ounce of honesty and personal integrity to comprehend what you are saying and understand how wrong they are.

To add to that, the Mrs found out yesterday just how different a self centered leftist is from "just ordinary folk".  At her place of employment, there is a woman who is queer and "married" to a Vice Principal of one of the local high schools.  Now, I have tried to tell her that there is nothing "ordinary folk" about libs, especially queers (not all of them, there are exceptions), but she doesn't listen very well and had to find out the hard way just how selfish and brain dead this woman truly is.  And it's been things here and there - voting for obinga because "he cares about her cause", how her and I "actually have rights", etc.  I, being the kind soul that I am, let her learn the hard way that leftists (especially queers) are leftists first before they are anything else. 

She finally gets it...

Anyway, she finally had enough of her prattling and fretting about the "out of control" issue of gun ownership and how "there is no need for people to own assault rifles" and that more gun control was needed to prevent children from being killed in school and (fill in the blank).  Every bullshit, emotional, unthinking propaganda point was shredded and it finally boiled down to her "ordinary folk" co worker saying "well, I'm just not comfortable".  She was enraged that this person was willing to shred everyone's rights for her comfort without the first thought of the consequences.  Well, I just had to smile and nod my head and say "yep, you're right".  I could have said "I tried to tell you" but she wouldn't acknowledge it since she wasn't listening in the first place.  It truly is best that some lessons are learned the hard way so they're not forgotten. 

I did, however, congratulate her for holding the line and pushing back against selfish stupidity and willful ignorance.

Oh, no cops jumped out of the bushes and no one gave her a ticker tape parade as she stormed off in righteous indignance (for that matter, she never left her cube).

 

[jukin]

Somebody who has never fired a round in combat is going to calmly fire a head shot on somebody wearing body armor?

The DUche defeats his argument right there.  Critical thinking is just not one of the tools that DUmbasses have.

1. The mentally ill (& probable DUches) that have been involved all stopped or killed themselves when others have pointed a gun, not even shot back, at them.
2. All of these tragedies happened in gun free zones.
3. Anywhere that innocents have not been killed were NOT gun free zones.
4. Israel has very successfully implemented armed teachers with a 100% success ratio.

[wasp69]

bluestateguy (39,598 posts)

Any school that allows teachers to be armed, you should refuse to send your child to that school

Would you look at this?  A great deal of us here at CC have been saying (in one form or another) that hardening a target with a show of force is a great prevention tool.  If the DUmmies yank their liberal hellspawn out of the schools, I imagine that most of the risk for having to pull a weapon would disappear without firing a shot.

Problem solved!

bluestateguy (39,598 posts)

So any school that allows such an abominable policy deserves a mass exodus of parents either yanking their kids out of that school or keeping them at home until the policy is changed.

sadbear (3,309 posts)
5. I would take my children out of their schools if they allowed guns in the classroom.

Funny, I seem to remember something similar being done after Brown vs Board of Ed.  

Bigmack (6,290 posts)
4. Jesus H. Christ! ..

Do you imagine some kindergarden teacher... even heavily armed and trained... kindergarten teacher is gonna be able to “hold 'em and squeeze 'em” while under fire and trying to shield her kids..?

No, mouthbreather, I expect a "heavily armed and trained" individual to jerk their firearm and end the problem.

Where is the teacher going to wear or store their weapon? Kids get into everything in classrooms. Any teacher will tell you about how their keys/purse/grade book was stolen. Imagine a handgun going adrift in a junior high school. You really want teachers wearing a handgun at their waists? That’s a recipe for an accidental discharge. If the teacher’s weapon is locked away securely, how long would it take to retrieve it in an emergency?

So much ignorance spoken with such authority...  

It's long past time for children to understand the reality of what you liberal cowards have created.  Your cravenness, cowardice, laziness, willful stupidity have made their world a dangerous place and they need to know that it's okay to protect themselves instead of cowering and waiting for someone else.  The should see a firearm carried and treated properly instead of what they are exposed to by your liberal shitbag comrades in the "entertainment" business.  Maybe if they are exposed to responsible adults doing things the right way (like it used to be) instead of the latest hip-hop G-Money talking about "capping asses", there might be less irrational fear and irresponsibility being ingrained into their minds.

Ever hear of fratricide... blue on blue... friendly fire...? It happens with the best of trained troops.

What is stopping them now?  If they wanted to waste their fellow unionized "educators" there wouldn't be a damn thing anyone could do since everyone else would be unarmed, stupid.

Think Pat Tilman. Now think 3 or 4 untrained shooters spraying rounds around a school. I've been in firefights, and I can tell you it's not like the movies. Those ****ing TV programs, videogames, and movies have warped people's idea of what the real thing is like. Hunters will tell you about "buck fever"... shaking like a dog shitting peach pits aiming at Bambi.  A lot worse when your life... and the lives of your kids... are at stake.

Which is why troopers and LEOs are required to train and practice, why should this be any different?  Oh, that's right, a "teacher" can never do anything other than "teach".  

 

With teachers - or anybody else - you're talking about a bloodbath before the bad guy gets off a single round. How would the teacher/guard know that anybody with a weapon wasn't the bad guy? They’d shoot each other, or more probably miss and kill those they are trying to protect.  And what do think the cops are going to see when they arrive...? A teacher standing there with a weapon. Bye-bye (hero) teacher!

Oy vey....  ****in' drama queenery...  I am so happy these goons were not around when we decided that being free of British rule was better than being strangled by it.  

Okay, DUmbass, how about this:  The "bad guy" is the one that pulls first and starts shooting at the kids.  That make it simple enough for you?

Teachers are trained to teach. They are not warriors. These days, I'd even be nervous having a cop armed with a handgun on campus... he could be overpowered and the weapon used on students.

Holy shit, the Founding Fathers wept....  

I have no idea what to do to stop the school shootings

No shit.  You could have stopped after "I have no idea" and it would have been much more accurate.

but I know arming the teachers or students is dumbest goddam idea I have ever heard.

Not nearly as dumb as maintaining a course that ensures they'll never be able to defend the children in their care.  If any of the parents in CT took a notion to sue the school district and state for not providing a safe and secure environment (make no mistake, DUmbass, that is exactly what a liberal "gun free zone" creates), then they would have a very strong case to destroy your illusion of the existence of no gun sanctuaries.

Besides... teachers - especially elementary teachers - are surrogate parents, counselors, nurses.....are you gonna ask them to be armed guards, too.?

So, if the shit really hits the fan in this country, we can count out the teachers, counselors, nurses, etc?  Do you even think before your greasy fingers hit the keyboard?

Anybody willing to pay teachers combat pay..?

Considering the state of "public education" in your blue shitholes, I don't understand why they aren't getting it already.

etherealtruth (7,636 posts)
2. No guns in schools!

I would personally like 'No guns" anywhere ... but, I will settle for "No guns in schools" (and several other actions)

Another unicorn jockey runs its suck muscle...  Hey, dickhead, how did that work out for the dead and wounded in Connecticut?