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What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« on: January 30, 2012, 07:57:34 AM »
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 What really happened at Occupy Oakland on Saturday January 28
January 29, 2012 by baked420


For the internet, here's a first-hand account of Occupy Oakland on 1/28/2012, because the news never tells the full story. I'll tell you about the street battle, the 300+ arrests, the vandalism, the flag burning, all in the context of my experience today. This is deeper than the headlines. No major news source can do that for you.
The stated goal for the day was to "move-in" to a large, abandoned, building to turn it into a social and political center. It is a long vacant convention center - the only people ever near there are the homeless who use the space outside the building as a bed. The building occupation also draws attention to the large number of abandoned and unused buildings in Oakland. The day started with a rally and a march to the proposed building. The police knew which building was the target, surrounded it, and used highly mobile units to try and divert the protest. After avoiding police lines, the group made it to one side of the building. Now, this is a very large building, and we were on a road with construction fences on both sides, and a large ditch separating us from the cops. The police fired smoke grenades into the crowd as the group neared a small path around the ditch, towards the building. They declared an unlawful assembly, and this is when the crowd broke down the construction fence. A few people broke fences to escape the situation, others because they were pissed. A couple more fences were taken down then necessary, but no valuable equipment was destroyed. They only things broken were fences.
The crowd decided to continue moving, and walked up the block to a more regular street. We decided to turn left up the street, and a police line formed to stop the march. They again declared an unlawful assembly. The protesters challenged the line, marching towards the police with our own shields in front. The shields, some small and black and a few large metal sheets. The police fired tear-gas as the group approached, and shot less-than-lethal rounds at the crowd. The protesters returned one volley of firecrackers, small projectiles, and funny things like balloons. A very weak attack, 3 officers may have been hit by something but none of them got injured. Tear gas forced many people back. The protesters quickly regrouped, and pressed the line again. This time the police opened fire with flash-grenades, tear gas, paint-filled beanbag shotguns, and rubber bullets.

-snip-

300+ were arrested, corralled below the YMCA @ 23rd and Broadway. The only announcement that was made was one I've never heard before:
"You are under arrest. Submit to your arrest."
The 300 protesters were then arrested, one by one. They were ziptied and sat in rows while they waited to be processed. OPD set up an entire processing station behind police lines, where they searched and identified every protester. They were slowly loaded onto buses, including local public AC transit buses. This took about 4 or 5 hours.

-snip-

A note about police militarization: I saw some big guns and scary gear tonight. Alameda County Sheriff seems to have an endless budget for that shit. But tonight I saw something much scarier, that I've never seen before. First, I saw that the police have a printed profile books of protesters. I saw a cop flipping through pictures with descriptions, talking about who on their list they've seen today. When resting in Oscar Grant Plaza, a cop was filming the plaza from a rooftop in an adjacent building. They're always filming, some have cameras on their bodies now, but this was clear spying and sophisticated intelligence gathering and analysis. Second, a very large tank on wheels, with a water cannon on top, rolled on scene. Someone said it was called a "grizzly", but I can't find a photo anywhere. help? It was massive, and I stood right next to it before they brought it behind police lines. It was a hardcore, modern urban tank. The police are funded and prepared to use a water cannon on protesters, if need be. Know that.

more at the link

http://nameigoob.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-really-happened-at-occupy-oakland.html

The cops wanted a riot, it seems. No - the cops aren't always wrong but I think they were here and the OPD is the worst. They threw the first punches before the protestors even arrived at Henry J. Kaiser.
 

In words that the sane understand...

You filthy scum decided to storm a building to have a party,the city having to deal with safety codes and protection of property said no you can`t do that.
You tried to anyways and when thwarted as the law demands decided to have a riot.

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2. Those guys are heroes, they are doing this for everyone. The cops are militarized beyond belief and

there should be no tolerance for this kind of 'force' in a democracy.

We watched it all on live-feed and it was once again, thoroughly disgusting to see the agency paid for by the people, once again launch an all-out war against their own people.

And people wonder what they would do if they were ever ordered to shoot to kill American citizens. I think there is no doubt about the answer to that.

Btw, the description of events in the OP is exactly what we witnessed from all of the livestreams.

The cops lied to the media, and the media, especially MSNBC, as always, passed on the lies. 

You are one stupid bitch.
A dirtbag squater looking for a place to smoke some dope is not a ****ing hero. :bird:

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5. So the protesters look like they were in the wrong.

Who told them it would be smart to try to take over a big vacant building? It's imbecilic. And then "marching towards the police with our own shields in front." It just doesn't get more stupid than that. Unless you count returning "one volley of firecrackers, small projectiles, and funny things like balloons."

These protesters aren't OWS at all. They are idiots who are discrediting the hard work of the movement.

What must have happened is the usual process where frustration causes the angrier, stupider members of a group to rise to leadership.

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sabrina 1 (23,518 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

11. Have you ever read about what happened in Argentina after their economy was collapsed by

the same Global criminals?

There is nothing at all unusual for a movement which was born out of the income inequality and financial corruption that currently exists in this country, to take over vacant buildings.

 

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16. It's a big vacant PUBLIC building

it's not like they were taking over private property or anything.

"Whose building? OUR building!"

Yeah,try breaking into the public library after it is closed and see what happens.

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17. Then they should have asked the public for the right to use it.

The public owns the building, and their representatives (in a democracy) get to decide who occupies it. I don't know whether they did it, but at a minimum, they should have asked the public to use the building and explained (in reasonable terms) what they wanted to use it for. Otherwise, it is just trespassing on the public's property. By your interpretation, a group of Tea Party Republicans could just go in and set up an "I Love W" association.

Why do you try to talk sense?

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19. They -- WE -- ARE the public!

That's what the 1%ers seem to have forgotten. Pity some DUers have, too. 

Now I'm trying to picture a group of Tea Party Republicans in Oakland. Without much success. 

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27. The building had been vacant for years, it looked like an abandoned building. It was an eyesore and

of little to no value in its current condition.

But we have to volley smoke bombs, corral, beat and arrest protesters to protect a vacant and abandoned building? Really? What the protesters were going to do to a vacant, abandoned, worthless building had to be stopped at all cost? Really?

So how useful to the public was the police causing another riot over a worthless, vacant, abandoned building?

We saved a vacant, abandoned, worthless building from a sit-in.

Sometimes common sense should trump minor regulations and laws.
 

You really shouldn`t wish for that because if it did you folks would likely all be in a mental hospital by now.

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7. My guess is the flag burning will cost the movement a huge portion of their public supp, regardless

of who was responsible for it. The movement has lost its purpose in the eyes of many who originally supported it.

It`s purpose has always been clear to us...useless leftists freeloaders looking for handouts and weed.

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13. Really? You have little knowledge then of what this movement is all about. Watch it grow as

issues that are far more important to the American people than one small, insignificant even like this, continue to worsen, especially after the collapse of the European economy, than one small, insignificant event like this.

Of course maybe you would like the movement to go away, but that is not going to happen. Starving, jobless, homeless people will have to be fed, housed and find jobs available, college student loans will have to be reduced, healthcare made available to all Americans, the money taken out of politics, and those responsible for the Financial Meltdown held accountable, before we have the luxury of pining over a few individuals buring a flag.

The only people who will try to use this are the same people who were never going to be a part of this movement in the first place, and they are no loss.

Amazing that anyone would think a single incident like this would end a global, growing and more than necessary, justifiable movement

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28. It's going to get worse.

This American society is on a tipping point.

The youth of our nation have no jobs. The youth of our nation can no longer afford college and further education. The youth of our nation have stunningly high unemployment numbers. The youth of our nation are returning from the wars with no job opportunities. The youth of our nation are being systematically prevented from voting and participating in our political process. Our politicians are ignoring the complaints of the youth of our nation. The youth of our nation have idle hands and minds and NO hope that the political system will help them.

The Koch Brothers, banksters and corporations have systematically closed all possible exists for the pent up drive, energy and hope of our youth. The youth of our nation have no choice. They will revolt. Every nation in history who has done this to their young adults has seen a revolution. It's going to get worse.
 

They want to party and live off someone else,when that dried up they went home to mommy and daddy.

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8. 'A social and political center'?

But OWS is about economic injustice and has NO political aspirations at all.

At least that's what we've been told.

Economic injustice will be fixed by weed and dope don`t ya know.

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10. That's a pretty lopsided account there. Did you close your eyes when the female ...

Medic was wholloped in the kidneys. Eyewitness accounts, including live streamer,
Oakfosho, I believe, reported the medic's eventual collapse some hours after one of
many assaults against kettled, not corraled, protestors by the police.

Please watch the live stream's coverage of events recorded from yesterday and
through-out the night.

http://www.livestream.com/occupyoakland
 

Another trying to swim upstream.

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26. I'm surprised the usual concern trolls haven't shown up to piss on this thread.

Last edited Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:31 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

I guess the truth discourages them.

Maybe they're delayed because they're on a conference call with corporate to get their talking points straight...

Before, they felt confident spewing the talking points from the lying corporate media, who in turn, spewed lies from the professional liars of the Oakland PD. Of course, now that we're hearing the stories from people on the ground who saw the events first hand, they can't use the corporate spin...

The fact is that most of the people there were peaceful, most of the people broke no laws, and that the conduct of the Oakland PD can only be described as a police riot.

But they're more than happy to tar the entire movement with the actions of a few, punish the many for just being around when a law might have been broken, and smugly flame everyone with the same bullshit that goes on FOX News afterwards.

Yes,walking towards the police with shields and hurling firecrackers and rocks at them is always a smart move to make. ::)

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29. Firecrackers? The protesters threw firecrackers at the cops? What....

... were they trying to do, get people killed?

 

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30. In police parlance, they're called IEDs. No kidding. nt

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31. That's not unreasonable from their perspective.....

... it's absolutely stupid. Stupid.

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 09:16:18 AM »
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 What really happened at Occupy Oakland on Saturday January 28

Far too few hippie scum were beaten.
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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 10:19:31 AM »
Unless Nads tells the story it simply isn't credible.  Then, it's meta-uber-supper-dupper truthiness.

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 11:37:17 AM »
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27. The building had been vacant for years, it looked like an abandoned building. It was an eyesore and

of little to no value in its current condition.

But we have to volley smoke bombs, corral, beat and arrest protesters to protect a vacant and abandoned building? Really? What the protesters were going to do to a vacant, abandoned, worthless building had to be stopped at all cost? Really?

So how useful to the public was the police causing another riot over a worthless, vacant, abandoned building?

We saved a vacant, abandoned, worthless building from a sit-in.

Sometimes common sense should trump minor regulations and laws.

Well, DUmbass, it seems that vagrants "occupying" abandoned buildings have tendencies to do stupid things like build fires.  Bums cause firefighter deaths due to this type of thing and I figure that maybe, just maybe, the City of Oakland didn't want you vermin to either hurt yourselves or any of their firemen.

Just a guess.

But, I do like the fact that you are seeing exactly what we have been telling you since this OWS bullshit started last year - it will be the bluest of blue mayors that will crack your skulls the hardest.

Put some ice on it, DUmmies.
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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 12:11:43 PM »
And after all, nothing improves the attractiveness, value, and resale prospects of a vacant building like tramps pissing and shitting in the corners, tearing out and selling all the copper wire, starting fires, and generally destroying anything breakable in it.

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 01:04:28 PM »
It is pretty incredible to see what socialist rule since the beginning of 2007 has done.  From first world nation of laws to third world nation of men in less than 6 years.  Destruction can happen so quickly but construction takes so long.

As far as I'm concerned the occupoopers can tear Oakland down to the ground just the way the race riots destroyed Watts and Compton. BURN BABY BURN!
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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 01:06:10 PM »

As far as I'm concerned the occupoopers can tear Oakland down to the ground just the way the race riots destroyed Watts and Compton. BURN BABY BURN!

Hopefully Taverner's commie ass gets caught in the crossfire.
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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 03:22:26 PM »
holy crap they are so freaking delusional over there!!!!!!!!!! :thatsright:
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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 04:46:40 PM »
Hopefully Taverner's commie ass gets caught in the crossfire.

Careful - he might really be one of our best agents-provocateur, after all! 

 :wink:

I sure hope the peace-loving Occupoopers don't tumble to that, and beat the shit out of him!

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 05:31:02 PM »
What really happened is some pissed off moonbats broke into a government building, stole a flag and then burned it as revenge for not being allowed to turn another currently vacant building into a moonbat flophouse. There.

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 06:30:28 PM »
Careful - he might really be one of our best agents-provocateur, after all! 

 :wink:

I sure hope the peace-loving Occupoopers don't tumble to that, and beat the shit out of him!

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 06:54:56 PM »
So let me get this straight. Occupoopers charge the police lines with metal shields, throwing incindiaries, stones and balloons full of who knows what toxic substance...They do this three times...
                       and they are surprised when the cops react the way they do?!!!

How is charging a police line with shields and thrown weapons a PEACFUL protest?

How are the police inciting riots when the Occupiers bring shields and weapons to a peaceful march?

when you tossed the firecrackers, did you tell the cops they were firecrackers, or did you let the cops react to unknown incindiaries?

Just how totally STUPID are you on the left?

Oh and then you attack a state building and STEAL a flag and burn it?

Up to now the courts have been holding protesters for a few hours and letting them go. Endangering the lives of cops is NOT a misdemeanor.

Is it any wonder that this behavior is tolerated only in the most liberal cities in america?

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 10:03:21 PM »
I watched this marauding band of thugs on the LiveStream, and there was zero, zilch, notta that was peaceful about that protest.  At the onset, they took over downtown city streets in what looked like a scene out of Gangs Of New York.  The rest unfolded as described, which to me all looked unlawful.  They really do think that the ends justifies the means, as long as it is done in the name of something (economic injustice in this case) the liberals' embrace.
That is why I despise them.
That is why they will never comprise more than 20% of our country.  Thank God.   

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 11:01:35 PM »
H5 sybill :cheersmate:

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 11:17:22 PM »
I watched this marauding band of thugs on the LiveStream, and there was zero, zilch, notta that was peaceful about that protest.  At the onset, they took over downtown city streets in what looked like a scene out of Gangs Of New York.  The rest unfolded as described, which to me all looked unlawful.  They really do think that the ends justifies the means, as long as it is done in the name of something (economic injustice in this case) the liberals' embrace.
That is why I despise them.
That is why they will never comprise more than 20% of our country.  Thank God.   


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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 07:02:45 AM »
"They declared an unlawful assembly, and this is when the crowd broke down the construction fence."
"The protesters challenged the line, marching towards the police with our own shields in front."
"The protesters returned one volley of firecrackers, small projectiles, and funny things like balloons. A very weak attack, 3 officers may have been hit by something"
In plain English, the Occupoopers were a bunch of lawless idiots who deliberately attempted to illegally take over a building, deliberately engaged in illegal vandalism and violence, deliberately provoked and attacked the police, and ultimately got exactly what they deserved, yet still feel entitled to whine about it and act like they're the ones who were wronged.
In fact, considering the Occupoopers were attacking the police by charging at them with shields and throwing fireworks and other such items at them, the cops showed a remarkable amount of restraint in dealing with them. Under such circumstances, if I am up- to- date with police protocol, the Occupoopers could be considered as posing an active threat, which would have made it justifiable for the cops to take their own measures up a notch (If not to openly drawing their guns, at least to using more active means of dealing with the Occupoopers than what they actually used).
The very fact that the Occupoopers were so eager to get violent confirms that the police were right to engage in the crowd- control measures the OP whines about. In particular, the fact that the cops have printed profile books of the Occupoopers is not only unsurprising, it actually makes a good deal of sense. Considering that most of the Occupoopers undoubtedly had rap sheets as long as my leg even before the Oakland chaos started, it would make sense that the police would want to keep tabs on the most dangerous of them, to know who they're dealing with.

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Re: What really happened at Occupy Oakland
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 09:53:12 AM »
"They declared an unlawful assembly, and this is when the crowd broke down the construction fence."
"The protesters challenged the line, marching towards the police with our own shields in front."
"The protesters returned one volley of firecrackers, small projectiles, and funny things like balloons. A very weak attack, 3 officers may have been hit by something"
In plain English, the Occupoopers were a bunch of lawless idiots who deliberately attempted to illegally take over a building, deliberately engaged in illegal vandalism and violence, deliberately provoked and attacked the police, and ultimately got exactly what they deserved, yet still feel entitled to whine about it and act like they're the ones who were wronged.
In fact, considering the Occupoopers were attacking the police by charging at them with shields and throwing fireworks and other such items at them, the cops showed a remarkable amount of restraint in dealing with them. Under such circumstances, if I am up- to- date with police protocol, the Occupoopers could be considered as posing an active threat, which would have made it justifiable for the cops to take their own measures up a notch (If not to openly drawing their guns, at least to using more active means of dealing with the Occupoopers than what they actually used).
The very fact that the Occupoopers were so eager to get violent confirms that the police were right to engage in the crowd- control measures the OP whines about. In particular, the fact that the cops have printed profile books of the Occupoopers is not only unsurprising, it actually makes a good deal of sense. Considering that most of the Occupoopers undoubtedly had rap sheets as long as my leg even before the Oakland chaos started, it would make sense that the police would want to keep tabs on the most dangerous of them, to know who they're dealing with.

Movie, I have been watching TIM and his journalist take on the OWS, filming both sides of the movement.

One thing I notice is as he films the streets and the so called marchers are the number of retired folk that walk down the street with cameras and are not protesters but Lookie-Loos.

Checking out the films there must be one camera for every 3 protester. The majority of the bystanders are not prostesters but people that hear of an event and decide to check it out.

NY, NY a wonderful town if you have the money to see the shows and dine in the 5 star restaurants.   Short on cash, say a once in a life time to grab your phone and take pictures of a happening event.

I am beginning to think the majority of the walkers are there for the show, tourists and locals with nothing to do for the night but to check out the OWS.  I see few protesters, just people walking down the street with cameras in hand waiting for something interesting to happen.

Out of a group of 400 people there may be 15 that believe in the cause, all the drum beating and people following to see why the drums going in, more and more people are drawn to the sound and now it looks like a crowd supporting what ever cause they have.   

SCAM folks.  Out of 1000 people walking the streets there may be only 20 who are directing the onlookers to appear to be a part of the demonstration.

SCAM. a good one, imaginative and well thought, but a scam nother the less.