What should happen to the 14 year old boy who killed the gay boy in his classroo

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

You can guess where this goes! they're against the death penalty until its a homosexual or an abortion provider who is killed! This one caught my attention

Toasterlad  (1000+ posts)       Sun Mar-30-08 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #62
64. Thank You, Midlo, For Your Good Opinion Of Me.
 Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 10:46 AM by Toasterlad
However, I don't look at this kid as a child: I look at him as someone who murdered a young gay man for no reason. I don't wish him pain; I wish him death.

I appreciate and respect your opinion, but like so many, I think you're looking at this from the point of view of "what purpose would this kid's death serve?", and finding it pointless. I believe you're right: his death would not be an adequate deterrent for would-be murderers. It will not bring back the boy he murdered. And it will ultimately not ease the pain of his parents and family. But I don't really care too much about those things. I think this kid should be killed purely and simply because he deserves to die for what he did.

Despite my flowery post above, mine HASN'T been a life filled with pain: I come from a loving family who always accepted me for who I was, even before *I* knew who I was; I have many loving and supportive friends, I work in a place where I am not harassed and my rights are protected. I have no complaints beyond those of any gay man living in a liberal corner of America. However, as I said above, I am acutely aware of what has happened to many thousands of others whom I have never met, but whom I consider, in a very real sense, my family. And I am tired of hearing stories of their suffering. I am EXHAUSTED by the endless articles on their deaths at the hands of hateful monsters. And consequently, I have no patience left.

I hope that I haven't caused you to think too poorly of me; you are one of the posters on DU whose opinion I really do value, and whose commitment to me and mine is self-evident in your posts. I wish I could tell you that I will come around on this issue, and move past what you undoubtedly believe is the hatred in my heart, but I don't feel that I'll ever change my mind about monsters like this murderer. I hope that this "flaw" doesn't keep you from believing in me, otherwise.
 

Hmmm? not very tolerant there Toasterlad!{and quit tryin to rip off my user name while you're at  it Mary! }http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3080362

[jtyangel]

Haha...that's the first thing I noticed too. I'm trying to decide whether he butters toast for the local IHOP or whether he still thinks Bush is toast. Either way...

[JohnnyReb]

I'm more interested in what's going to happen to the dumbass liberals running a school system that would allow sexual harassment of such an extreme nature as to drive another student to such a rage.

Local boy here (senior year) a couple of years ago was going to school in tight miniskirts, thong panties, .......the whole 9 yards. His mother thought it was OK. The schoolboard took the risk of a lawsuit to stop his 'harassment' of others.

Somebody had to use some commonsense since he and his mother seemed to lacking in that department.
 

[jtyangel]

I'm more interested in what's going to happen to the dumbass liberals running a school system that would allow sexual harassment of such an extreme nature as to drive another student to such a rage.

Local boy here (senior year) a couple of years ago was going to school in tight miniskirts, thong panties, .......the whole 9 yards. His mother thought it was OK. The schoolboard took the risk of a lawsuit to stop his 'harassment' of others.

Somebody had to use some commonsense since he and his mother seemed to lacking in that department.
 

What a travesty. The mother sounds like she was 'ok' with not parenting basically. Wth is wrong with some people. They take love for their children as meaning some kind of blank check for them to do what they will, never stifling free expression. Parenting is not all roses and rainbows...it can be difficult, heartbreaking, and requires the grown up to make tough choices sometimes in the interest of raising someone who can function in a world with other people and be productive.

[DixieBelle]

Yes, the school boards play a part when they stop using their brains and start enacting politically correct, blame free policies. They don't have a problem with zero tolerance (zero common sense) policies like banning hugging or dodgeball, but can't see the dangerous road cross dressing leads down??

Kids are in school for about 7 hours a day, 5 days a week or about 180 days a year. There is simply no need for a student to cross dress, wear makeup (if they are male), or don anything else "distracting" during these days. It's counterproductive to the learning enviornment. The only time a cross dresser should be living 24/7 as the opposite sex is in the required time frame before a sex change operation. And that's something they will not perform on an adolescent. So, it's a mute point.

[jukin]

If the gay kid had been a cop they would not be wishing for death of the killer.

[Red October]

If the gay kid had been a cop they would not be wishing for death of the killer.

No, in that case he'd be a political prisoner.

[Lord Undies]

I am EXHAUSTED by the endless articles on their deaths at the hands of hateful monsters.

What "endless articles"?  If it was that commonplace, it wouldn't be newsworthy.  It is only the extraordinary which gets reported.  It seems you queer folk could find comfort in that reality. 

It's the fact that the Jesse Dirkhising murder was never reported to the nation that we have to worry about.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/12/153827.shtml  (speaking of monsters)

[HACKSAW]

If the gay kid had been a cop they would not be wishing for death of the killer.

What if the gay kid was a Log Cabin Republican? http://online.logcabin.org/

That would cause a few primitive heads to Asplode!

[RedTail]

If the gay kid had been a cop they would not be wishing for death of the killer.

I'm thinking of drawing up the DU BlameMatrix.

Gay Cop/Minority Shooter = Shooter. The Cop has given into the hetrosexist patriarchal vision of society, making him a tool of the facist state to oppress, even if justified. The cop should have understood that the victim's assault on his person was HIS way of expressing the pain of his oppression and either joined in resisting, or accepted his position as sacrifice on the altar of "social change".

Gay Cop/White Shooter, non Christian = Same as above.

Gay Cop/White Shooter, even most nominally Christian= The Cop was striking back at the establishment who seeks to have him killed, blames him for AIDS and keeps The People down. He should have beaten him to death.

*Red*

[DumbAss Tanker]

WTF, he's got the same terrible judgment and lack of impulse control of all the other 14-year-old shooters who are "Victims too" and "Children to be pitied and treated for their sickness, not punished."  I guess it's all whose ox is being gored to these dipshits just like any other bunch of blatant hypocrites.

  

[Ptarmigan]

The 14 year old deserves whatever the maximum penalty is. I don't care if the victim was gay, straight, or anything. We are dealing with a murder victim regardless.

[Lord Undies]

The 14 year old deserves whatever the maximum penalty is. I don't care if the victim was gay, straight, or anything. We are dealing with a murder victim regardless.

We all agree with that sentiment.  The dynamic here is we are dealing with DU, a site that I have seen defend the Columbine school murderers.  Those murdering creeps were "victims" too, according to some. 

DU also says the death penalty should be a thing of the past, yet some DUmmies are calling for the death of this shooter.  It appears that killing a sodomite-in-training is the most heinous crime going.  It appears that anyone who kills a homosexual (for any reason) cannot be afforded the same compassion and understanding as, say, the murderer of a police officer or random innocent students in a lunchroom.

[Splashdown]

If the gay kid had been a cop they would not be wishing for death of the killer.

No, in that case he'd be a political prisoner.

That earned you a high-five because I was thinking exactly the same thing.

[Ptarmigan]

We all agree with that sentiment.  The dynamic here is we are dealing with DU, a site that I have seen defend the Columbine school murderers.  Those murdering creeps were "victims" too, according to some. 

DU also says the death penalty should be a thing of the past, yet some DUmmies are calling for the death of this shooter.  It appears that killing a sodomite-in-training is the most heinous crime going.  It appears that anyone who kills a homosexual (for any reason) cannot be afforded the same compassion and understanding as, say, the murderer of a police officer or random innocent students in a lunchroom.

DU never makes sense. Anyways, they never make sense. I have seen Columbine school shooters martyred on the Net. YouTube is really bad with it. They also make Seung-Hui Cho a victm. Hell they even lionize the 9/11 hijackers. They are all pathetic scumbags, including DUmmies. If you read their diaries, which I did, they are actually more like bullies, especially Dylan Klebold. In many ways, DU'ers are justifying bullying. I am not surprised that they show little outrage when the Taliban killed gays in the most gruesome way.

[stickyboot]

The 14 year old deserves whatever the maximum penalty is. I don't care if the victim was gay, straight, or anything. We are dealing with a murder victim regardless.

Yes. A murderer is a murderer is a murderer. Maybe if they want to address other factors (bigotry or intolerance or envy or mental illness or drugs or bullying or "hate crimes" or whatever is the hub) separately, to counsel other students after the fact or help them try to absorb the possibilities behind the violence that happened in school, that would be a good idea. But a fat, black, geeky, poor, Muslim gay kid is no more dead than a white, honor roll, straight. Protestant, popular, football hero kid if he's murdered by another student at school. Any more than a cute blond girl's abduction needs or deserves more public and media attention to get someone's beloved baby returned, unharmed.

The "zero tolerance" factor and related punishment needs to hinge on the use of any form of violence in attempt to resolve the issues, not as a preemptive form of thought policing or a compounded penalty after the fact.