What might a 'genuine left' program look like?

[BannedFromDU]

blindpig (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-26-08 02:51 PM
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What might a 'genuine left' program look like?
 Advertisements [?]1) Immediate passage of a reinforced version of FDR's "Economic Bill of Rights" - the unconditional right to food, shelter, health care, education, and security in old age or infirmity (for continuity with "Democrats" - you know, FDR).

2) The universal right and obligation to work, at a reasonable standard of wages.

3) The evacuation of all U.S. Overseas military bases and territories, the elimination of that greater part of the defense establishment devoted to anything but national defense, and the immediate dismantling of all "intelligence agencies, foreign and domestic.

4) The immediate nationalization of all defense related industries.

5) The immediate nationalization of all banks and financial institutions, all energy related companies, all power generation and transport, and all other industries of strategic significance.

6) The confiscation of the property of all speculators, lobbyists, corporate criminals, and those who have let industrial, agricultural, and commercial properties fall into disuse and disrepair. The immediate confiscation of the property of those who have transferred commercial ventures or capital overseas.

7) The dismantling of the judicial and penal systems, the nationalization of all private aspects of those systems, the immediate review of all laws and criminal penalties, and the reduction of the prison population by 80% within 2 years. The immediate elimination of capital punishment.

8. The creation of the organs of "peoples power" with full plenary rights at every level of the society at each job site and important jurisdiction, the replacement of municipal authority by such and the rapid creation of a single system of laws, obligations, and responsibilities.

9) The creation of a peoples militia which will consist of the entire people armed and the transition of all extra police and para military functions to that body.

After that we can catch our breath and decide what we really want to do next.

Courtesy Anaxarchos

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Looks pretty, um, unconstitutional to me. But there I go again, playing by the rules the Left wants to play by.

GWB can't interpret on byte of the Constitution, but DU can toss the thing out altogether, I guess.

[Chris]

2) The universal right and obligation to work, at a reasonable standard of wages.

I see a problem with this already.   

[BannedFromDU]

2) The universal right and obligation to work, at a reasonable standard of wages.

I see a problem with this already.   

I think you mean DU has a problem with that.

Check this out:

Dreamer Tatum (758 posts)       Tue Aug-26-08 07:03 PM
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26. Did you find Hugo Chavez's notebook or something?

 He's about halfway down that list himself - why not just relocate to Venezuela?

OBLIGATION to work? That's a nonstarter for a lot of people, right there alone.

Under what legal authority would you implement #6?

Lastly, and most importantly, are you aware of a document called the Constitution? You might refer to it, as most of your plan runs counter to it.

[Chris]

That's what I meant. 

[Servonaut]

the Great OMC posts

OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-26-08 11:28 AM
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4. Genuine Left? Not By A Long Shot. Borderline Insane, Delusional, Extremist, Ignorant, Zealot 
 irrational left? More likely.

[franksolich]

2) The universal right and obligation to work, at a reasonable standard of wages.

I see a problem with this already.   

I do too.

Imagine the subway cat or the worthless freeloading bum the wily primitive working.

There's something I don't understand about the primitive notion of nationalization; the primitives seem to have this idea it's some sort of "punishment" that "hurts" a corporation or industry.

A corporation or industry is not a living animated thing; it has no feelings.

[Rebel]

slackmaster  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Tue Aug-26-08 10:55 AM
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1. Sounds like Cuba only with more guns and more money    

blindpig  (1000+ posts)
Tue Aug-26-08 11:22 AM
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2. Yeah, sorta like Cuba

but without an ill tempered behemoth breathing down it's neck.(That would be the United States)

These moron's right to vote should be revoked. 

[GOBUCKS]

blindpig (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-26-08 02:51 PM
Original message
What might a 'genuine left' program look like?
 Advertisements [?]1) Immediate passage of a reinforced version of FDR's "Economic Bill of Rights" - the unconditional right to food, shelter, health care, education, and security in old age or infirmity (for continuity with "Democrats" - you know, FDR).

2) The universal right and obligation to work, at a reasonable standard of wages.

3) The evacuation of all U.S. Overseas military bases and territories, the elimination of that greater part of the defense establishment devoted to anything but national defense, and the immediate dismantling of all "intelligence agencies, foreign and domestic.

4) The immediate nationalization of all defense related industries.

5) The immediate nationalization of all banks and financial institutions, all energy related companies, all power generation and transport, and all other industries of strategic significance.

6) The confiscation of the property of all speculators, lobbyists, corporate criminals, and those who have let industrial, agricultural, and commercial properties fall into disuse and disrepair. The immediate confiscation of the property of those who have transferred commercial ventures or capital overseas.

7) The dismantling of the judicial and penal systems, the nationalization of all private aspects of those systems, the immediate review of all laws and criminal penalties, and the reduction of the prison population by 80% within 2 years. The immediate elimination of capital punishment.

8. The creation of the organs of "peoples power" with full plenary rights at every level of the society at each job site and important jurisdiction, the replacement of municipal authority by such and the rapid creation of a single system of laws, obligations, and responsibilities.

9) The creation of a peoples militia which will consist of the entire people armed and the transition of all extra police and para military functions to that body.

After that we can catch our breath and decide what we really want to do next.

Courtesy Anaxarchos

I'm blindpig and I approve this message.

Some of these DUmmies become cariacatures of the hive. "Confiscation", "nationalization", "evacuation"...right there you have summarized in three words the democrat positions on domestic and foreign policy. (How does OMC survive on the island?)

[thundley4]

They really nead to call a spade a spade and rename the place CommieUnderground.

[Rebel]

Some of these DUmmies become cariacatures of the hive. "Confiscation", "nationalization", "evacuation"...right there you have summarized in three words the democrat positions on domestic and foreign policy. (How does OMC survive on the island?)

Hi5!!!!!

[USA4ME]

Next time they claim they don't want to destroy America or in any manner form the USA into an impotent socialist state, remind them of this post.

Funny thing is they're so deluded they actually believe they could pull this off. 

enlightenment

6. Sounds more like an anarchist's wet dream. 

(snip)

The problem with anarchy (which is what you are really suggesting) is that it never takes into account that some people will always take advantage of the system. This system depends on every person's better nature to avoid disorder. That's why they don't work.

So close.  Now if the enlightened dimwit only had the capacity to transfer that to liberalism in general.

Liberalism *creates* an atmosphere by which way too many people are encouraged to take advantage of the system.  That's why it doesn't work.

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[Rebel]

Next time they claim they don't want to destroy America or in any manner form the USA into an impotent socialist state, remind them of this post.

Funny thing is they're so deluded they actually believe they could pull this off. 

.

We need an archive spot. Something for Socialism posts. Maybe other places for other issues.

[dutch508]

1) Immediate passage of a reinforced version of FDR's "Economic Bill of Rights" - the unconditional right to food, shelter, health care, education, and security in old age or infirmity (for continuity with "Democrats" - you know, FDR).

Madatory attendance to nationalist run schools, socialized healthcare, soup kitchens for all.

2) The universal right and obligation to work, at a reasonable standard of wages.

The work camps of the 1930s Germany comes to mind. Who do you think built the autobahn? (or the US Interstate roadways, for that matter)

3) The evacuation of all U.S. Overseas military bases and territories, the elimination of that greater part of the defense establishment devoted to anything but national defense, and the immediate dismantling of all "intelligence agencies, foreign and domestic.

eliminate our ability to protect ourselves from anything.

4) The immediate nationalization of all defense related industries.

Won't need to. There will be no national defense to equip.

5) The immediate nationalization of all banks and financial institutions, all energy related companies, all power generation and transport, and all other industries of strategic significance.

National Socialist Electric Company. American Telephone and Telegraph. United Power and Steel. US Transportaion Rail and Wheels. All working for the Government.

6) The confiscation of the property of all speculators, lobbyists, corporate criminals, and those who have let industrial, agricultural, and commercial properties fall into disuse and disrepair. The immediate confiscation of the property of those who have transferred commercial ventures or capital overseas.

Confiscation of all property.

7) The dismantling of the judicial and penal systems, the nationalization of all private aspects of those systems, the immediate review of all laws and criminal penalties, and the reduction of the prison population by 80% within 2 years. The immediate elimination of capital punishment.

release all prisoners.

8. The creation of the organs of "peoples power" with full plenary rights at every level of the society at each job site and important jurisdiction, the replacement of municipal authority by such and the rapid creation of a single system of laws, obligations, and responsibilities.

Street justise

9) The creation of a peoples militia which will consist of the entire people armed and the transition of all extra police and para military functions to that body.

Armed with what? An angery scowl?

[asdf2231]

What might a total "Geniune Left" program look like?