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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1225 on: March 01, 2014, 06:37:21 PM »
Seen the price of diesel?  It is way out of sync with gas pricing.  I have never seen the divergence this bad.  

This has been a pretty rough winter all around, the one two punch is not over yet.  All the plowing and sanding will stretch the local budgets and they still have to contend pot holes come spring.  Taxes will be going up.   :popcorn:

ETA:  I was just out to grab some pellets and noticed the price of diesel at the Sunoco at  the 95 exit.  $4.19   

The difference between regular unleaded and diesel is currently about 80-90 cents per gallon.  I know it's worse in winter with demand for diesel (aka heating oil) at its highest and stocks getting low, But the last time I saw it anywhere near this bad was (drum roll please) 2008.  We know how that turned out.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1226 on: March 02, 2014, 07:54:15 AM »
The difference between regular unleaded and diesel is currently about 80-90 cents per gallon.  I know it's worse in winter with demand for diesel (aka heating oil) at its highest and stocks getting low, But the last time I saw it anywhere near this bad was (drum roll please) 2008.  We know how that turned out.

Not like they use diesel to transport food or anything like that, right?  Did you see that they are also requiring low sulfur on the costal shipping fleet?  I can hardly wait for the NE liberals to end up freezing in the dark while starving to death.  Fitting end I would say. 
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1227 on: March 02, 2014, 10:39:11 AM »
Not like they use diesel to transport food or anything like that, right?  Did you see that they are also requiring low sulfur on the costal shipping fleet?  I can hardly wait for the NE liberals to end up freezing in the dark while starving to death.  Fitting end I would say. 

Seeing that already.  Give it a few more months and you'll be seeing some REAL sticker shock.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1228 on: March 02, 2014, 01:29:44 PM »
Been sawing and splitting wood for next winter for the last 2 weeks....my log splitter died on me....18 yr old son is to sore to move right now :lmao:
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1229 on: March 02, 2014, 08:07:06 PM »
What's the basic difference between kerosene, heating oil and diesel fuel?  Kerosene is $4.59/gal.

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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1230 on: March 03, 2014, 04:37:58 PM »
What's the basic difference between kerosene, heating oil and diesel fuel?  Kerosene is $4.59/gal.

Carbon molecules or something like that.

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The difference beween Diesel Fuel and kerosene

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The differences between Kerosene, jet fuel, #1 Fuel oil, #2 Fuel oil, heavier  fuel oils, gasoline, etc. are the types of hydrocarbon chains that are separated and concentrated during refining and additives. For example gasoline has an octane rating which compares the gasoline blend with the performance of pure
 octane hydrocarbon with eight carbon atoms. Diesel has a septane rating,  please note that septane has seven carbon atoms in its chain. Octane rating is how hard it is to ignite and septane rating how easy it is to ignite.
 What this all means is that the heavier fuels have longer hydrocarbon chains,  higher BTU content, are thicker and are more tolerant of contamination (also they are allowed to contain more sulfur).

 K-1 Kerosene, #1 diesel, and jet fuel (JP4) are closely related to each other.  #1 and JP4 have higher allowable sulfur than K-1 (kerosene is also called coal oil by old timers). Since #1 is a shorter hydrocarbon blend it has better  solvent properties than #2. (We used to clean out our armored vehicle engine compartments with diesel fuel in the Army, also gasoline used to be sold as petroleum naphtha as a cleaning solvent before it became a motor fuel.) It also has a lower gel point, which means that it takes a colder temperature to turn it to a molasses like thickness. Because these fuels are blends they don't
 freeze like water, they act more like Jell-O slowly getting thicker until they set. This is why in cold climates it is suggested that #2 be blended with kerosene to keep it from gelling to soon. (Mercedes suggests using up to 30% gasoline in very cold climates).

 In the US fuel oils are blended according to climate and location and there are also additives that control gel point, contamination (like water), change the flash point, to identify different uses (dyes) etc.

 There is no real benefit to using kerosene /#1 over #2 unless you need to because of cold temperatures or you just want to clean out your system. If you switch to #1 please change your fuel filter to avoid clogging from any gunk removed. As it has been pointed out #2 has the higher heat (BTU) content.

 All of this is good to know as in a pinch you can use diesel (or kerosene) in your furnace as a correspondent in Florida recently did during a cold spell when he couldn't get a delivery of fuel oil right away. (Conversely you can use fuel oil in your diesel car but the Feds don't like that as it is not taxed as
 motor fuel, Several times I have put motor oil in diesel engines when I have run out of fuel.) Personally I would use whatever is cheapest for that area, temperature range and manufacturers recommendation. This means #2 for the most part.

 I hope this helps more than confuses.

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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1231 on: March 03, 2014, 06:07:28 PM »
Carbon molecules or something like that.

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I seem to recall that diesel was considerably cheaper than gas back in the 70's.

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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1232 on: March 03, 2014, 09:49:51 PM »
Yes, hydrocarbon length and branching that is anti-Markovnikov stability laws takes precise reaction conditions to synthesize.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1233 on: March 03, 2014, 09:53:42 PM »
Yes, hydrocarbon length and branching that is anti-Markovnikov stability laws takes precise reaction conditions to synthesize.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1235 on: March 04, 2014, 08:23:30 AM »
Sorry if you learned something..
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1236 on: March 04, 2014, 08:28:29 AM »
For years I kept a receipt for 2'000 gallons of diesel fuel I bought in October of 1973.....cost 15.9 cent a gallon. The last cheap fuel I bought.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1237 on: March 05, 2014, 09:03:24 AM »
Yes, hydrocarbon length and branching that is anti-Markovnikov stability laws takes precise reaction conditions to synthesize.

I hope once I take chemistry this fall, I'll understand this...
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1238 on: March 05, 2014, 09:05:51 AM »
I hope once I take chemistry this fall, I'll understand this...

Intro-level organic chemistry is where you'd learn that.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1239 on: March 05, 2014, 09:08:01 AM »
Intro-level organic chemistry is where you'd learn that.

I'll be doing 2 semesters of general and 2 semesters of organic, so yeah, at some point I will.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1240 on: March 05, 2014, 09:12:24 AM »
I'll be doing 2 semesters of general and 2 semesters of organic, so yeah, at some point I will.

Study, study, study early..it will pay off later..esp. the first semester organic where your brain will be swimming with memorizing reaction trends and electron flow.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1241 on: April 12, 2014, 07:22:06 PM »
Broke $4.00 a gallon this morning. Its went up very fast this last week, about 40 cents in five days.

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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1242 on: April 12, 2014, 07:36:00 PM »
I know right? gas is going  up everyday :hammer:
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1243 on: April 12, 2014, 07:45:48 PM »
Up 30 cent here in the last 2 weeks. The democrats will find a way to lower it just before the election in November.....or give their voters some Obamagas for free....hey, they got a free phone or 5 didn't they.
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1244 on: April 13, 2014, 09:39:01 AM »
And I am sure we will hear what a struggle it was, against the evil oil companies.

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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1245 on: April 17, 2014, 02:09:59 PM »
Sitting here in central IL this week, I see $3.70-3.80 is the norm.

WTF, over?
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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1246 on: April 17, 2014, 03:30:34 PM »
If the Democraps and Obummer had their way, they would add more taxes on each gallon; they want 5 and 6 dollar prices so that the electric death traps like the Volt and Prius will sell.

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Re: Gas Costs Rise, Set Record For This Time Of Year
« Reply #1247 on: April 17, 2014, 06:54:22 PM »
Sitting here in central IL this week, I see $3.70-3.80 is the norm.

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« Reply #1248 on: April 17, 2014, 07:07:15 PM »
Been stuck on $3.49 for a week here.  Just waiting for it to hit $4.00 by summer.
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« Reply #1249 on: April 17, 2014, 07:12:45 PM »
Been stuck on $3.49 for a week here.  Just waiting for it to hit $4.00 by summer.

We're actually at $3.53 for regular, and $3.83 for premium.