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THE FORECLOSURE FIVE, A NATIONAL CRISIS? HARDLY.
« on: February 23, 2009, 01:37:55 PM »
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When President Obama discusses his $275 billion mortgage bailout, he talks as if it was a national problem, caused by a national decline in home prices. "We must stem the spread of foreclosures and falling home values for all Americans," he says. But there is no national market for homes and no national price for homes. Instead, most of the United States will pay for the folly of few.

The beneficiaries of taxpayer charity will be highly concentrated in just five states - California, Nevada, Arizona, Florida and Michigan. That is not because the subsidized homeowners are poor (Californians with $700,000 mortgages are not poor), but because they took on too much debt, often by refinancing in risky ways to "cash out" thousands more than the original loan. Nearly all subprime loans were for refinancing, not buying a home.

It turns out that the five states with by far the highest foreclosure rates have some things in common with each other, but very little in common with most other states.

I studied the latest available figures for state foreclosure rates, changes in home prices over one and five years, existing home sales, the percentage of mortgages that are underwater, and unemployment. Then I compared figures for the five most foreclosure-prone states with New York and also with the 25th-ranking (median) state. ...
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Interesting article which takes a look at the figures behind the supposed 'national crisis'. 



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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 02:29:04 PM »
It's "odd" (not) that we have heard nothing of what happens in Arizona on the national news.

A bunch of illegal Mexicans get together, and use a specialized "broker" to buy a home.  About 12 families move into said home, and immediately default on the payments and their utility bills.  With the bureaucratic red tape involved in foreclosure, and the ability for the families to pay enough to the utilities to keep them from being turned off, they can stay in those houses for around a year, when they abandon them.

Minus the copper wiring, piping, anything not welded in place, and half of what WAS welded in place.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 09:27:27 PM »
It is estimated that 40% of the bailout money to help homeowners will go down a rat hole cause they will either not be able to pay or refuse to make payments on their mortgages.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 09:30:36 PM »
This makes me think that the whole "mortgage crisis" was almost a made up campaign issue to help 0Bama get elected, but it got way out of hand. 



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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2009, 10:14:47 AM »
This makes me think that the whole "mortgage crisis" was almost a made up campaign issue to help 0Bama get elected, but it got way out of hand. 




 This has been my exact thoughts all along.....ever since Chucky leaked dripped that confidential memo on the stability of Fannie and Freddie last summer.
This was set up under Clintons administration to help Gore or later Hillary.

 Once that first domino was thumped, they started falling fast. I feel sure it was an attempt by democrats to get BO elected. They just didn't realize how far it was going to go.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2009, 09:42:22 PM »
Of the five states.....Michigan has a severe unemployment issue going on. If you don't have a job...it's rather difficult to make a house payment. Doesn't mean you weren't qualified when you bought the house....you have to be "qualified" by a mortgage company before they will lend you the money.

If you were qualified to buy a $250,000 house, the mortgage company would only lend you...at most....105% in order to include the closing costs...but you have to have damn good credit scores. However, being qualified in 2003 to buy a house, and you lose your job in 2008...and there are no other jobs around...does not make you a dirtball. It makes you between a rock and a hard place.

It also means you can't put your house on the market, because the pool of available buyers is greatly reduced due to unemployment, or if there is a buyer for your house, if said buyer owns a house and wants to "buy up or down"...there's no one to buy their house. Hence, the domino effect.

Then there's Florida. What happened to Florida - primarily - are the hurricanes of 2005. There were five of them that hit the state. Katrina, Rita and Wilma all hit/skirted the Keys and there was one before Katrina in June too, but I can't remember the name - Charlie? All did damage. I know because I was in Key West for Rita and got the last plane out before Wilma hit. This hurricane season happened on top of the 2003 and 2004 hurricanes that also hit the state.

What started the "price crash" in Florida was the extreme problems with homeowner's/hazard insurance.  Florida was hit so hard with damage that several insurance companies quit writing homeowner/renter's insurance. It was so bad, that people buying new homes (new to them, not just new construction) couldn't get insurance unless they had it on a previous dwelling. It even affected insurance here in TN....both in 2004 and 2005, insurance companies were not writing new policies. Mortgage companies require a homeowner's policy and proof of policy for the value of the property before they will allow the property to close. We (realtors) were having a heck of a time with buyers not able to find insurance in order to close on time.

The problem this caused in Florida was that when insurance companies started writing policies again.....the prices were so high, that many people, while they may have qualified for a $250000 house, and their taxes and insurance were included in their mortgage payment(which has to be done if 80% or more of the price is borrowed)....they then didn't qualify for that much house. So they had to go for a lower priced house.

Many Florida properties are in a homeowner's association with mandatory yearly fees. These too, went up, particularly after the 2005 hurricane season, because the HOA hazard insurance rates went up. Where our condo was in KW...the HOA fees went up 150%...per month!!!!!

Or...if you already had a house, and your insurance rates doubled...you couldn't afford the payments.

This created 2 problems.

If someone was already in a house/condo...they couldn't afford the new payments that included a higher insurance rate and often higher property taxes because the property tax assessor had reevaluated the property, raised the value of the house, in order to get more taxes. And a higher HOA fee. This caused the property to go into foreclosure.

The other problem was....while a buyer may be able to purchase a $250000 property and make the mortgage payment itself....when the insurance, taxes and HOA fees were added in.....they no longer qualified for that price property. Rule of thumb in my area, is 20% is added on top of the mortgage payment for taxes and insurance if inside the city limits, 15% in the county. Then the HOA fee is added on top of that.

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We have a condo complex here. I'm not sure what they are selling for now....but I had one listed in there and it was listed for $99900. Very reasonable...2 story townhouse, 2 br's, study, 2.5 baths, private courtyard, 2 car carport. Until you added in $150 a month HOA fee!!! People that qualify in that price range, do not usually expect a $150/mo HOA fee!!! Greatly reduces the "buyer pool".

That reduces the monthly mortgage payment amount the buyer is able to qualify for by $150 per month. Example: lender tells buyer that his monthly mortgage payment (incl taxes and hazard insurance) cannot exceed $750 per month. When a HOA payment has to be included....the amount must be subtracted from the $750. Which means the monthly payment to the mortgage company cannot exceed $600.
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Think about if you had to add $100-$250/month HOA fee onto your monthly mortgage payment. Now think about what it would be like if you had to go from $1000 a month to $2500 a month!!!! That is not unusual for a Florida condominium.

Again...the owner is either forced to sell the property as it is no longer affordable for the homeowner, or the property goes into foreclosure, because the "buyer pool" has been reduced.

Then there is also the situation of people who have purchased another house, thinking that their existing home will sell quickly...which is what they were doing prior to the 2005 hurricane season ....and they end up making 2 house payments. Not many can do that for long.

I don't know much about the Nevada market, except that from what I have read....most of the problem seems to be in the Las Vegas area. Houses were built to accommodate people who were expected to retire there or were moving to LV for job opportunities. My sister lives there part time with her fiance who is a long time casino host at the Bellagio. From what he has told me....there are 1000's of tract homes that were just "thrown" up ....cookie cutter and many poorly constructed with high prices. Many have never even been lived in. Builders/investors speculating and losing everything. I have had access to the MLS there for over a year and have been watching the market....it's really sad.

I know little to nothing about the California or Arizona markets. All I know is what I have read through National Association of Realtors.

Very very very few people purchase a home with the mindset of they are going to default. For the most part....when they purchased the property ....they were qualified. What happens to many...is life.

Jobs are lost, divorce, illness .....in other words...shit happens. These people end up either losing their homes, or the mortgage company agrees to mitigate the loan with unreasonable - usury- terms...and the homeowner still defaults.

Then there are the investors who overestimate their ability to pay or they just flat out don't make their payments. Or the builders who get in over their heads because the properties don't sell for one reason or another.

It's a vicious circle of dominoes.

I wish I had the answer but I don't....if I did....I'd make a fortune as an economist.

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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2009, 09:51:49 PM »
Of the five states.....Michigan has a severe unemployment issue going on. If you don't have a job...it's rather difficult to make a house payment. Doesn't mean you weren't qualified when you bought the house....you have to be "qualified" by a mortgage company before they will lend you the money.

If you were qualified to buy a $250,000 house, the mortgage company would only lend you...at most....105% in order to include the closing costs...but you have to have damn good credit scores. However, being qualified in 2003 to buy a house, and you lose your job in 2008...and there are no other jobs around...does not make you a dirtball. It makes you between a rock and a hard place.

It also means you can't put your house on the market, because the pool of available buyers is greatly reduced due to unemployment, or if there is a buyer for your house, if said buyer owns a house and wants to "buy up or down"...there's no one to buy their house. Hence, the domino effect.

Then there's Florida. What happened to Florida - primarily - are the hurricanes of 2005. There were five of them that hit the state. Katrina, Rita and Wilma all hit/skirted the Keys and there was one before Katrina in June too, but I can't remember the name - Charlie? All did damage. I know because I was in Key West for Rita and got the last plane out before Wilma hit. This hurricane season happened on top of the 2003 and 2004 hurricanes that also hit the state.

What started the "price crash" in Florida was the extreme problems with homeowner's/hazard insurance.  Florida was hit so hard with damage that several insurance companies quit writing homeowner/renter's insurance. It was so bad, that people buying new homes (new to them, not just new construction) couldn't get insurance unless they had it on a previous dwelling. It even affected insurance here in TN....both in 2004 and 2005, insurance companies were not writing new policies. Mortgage companies require a homeowner's policy and proof of policy for the value of the property before they will allow the property to close. We (realtors) were having a heck of a time with buyers not able to find insurance in order to close on time.

The problem this caused in Florida was that when insurance companies started writing policies again.....the prices were so high, that many people, while they may have qualified for a $250000 house, and their taxes and insurance were included in their mortgage payment(which has to be done if 80% or more of the price is borrowed)....they then didn't qualify for that much house. So they had to go for a lower priced house.

Many Florida properties are in a homeowner's association with mandatory yearly fees. These too, went up, particularly after the 2005 hurricane season, because the HOA hazard insurance rates went up. Where our condo was in KW...the HOA fees went up 150%...per month!!!!!

Or...if you already had a house, and your insurance rates doubled...you couldn't afford the payments.

This created 2 problems.

If someone was already in a house/condo...they couldn't afford the new payments that included a higher insurance rate and often higher property taxes because the property tax assessor had reevaluated the property, raised the value of the house, in order to get more taxes. And a higher HOA fee. This caused the property to go into foreclosure.

The other problem was....while a buyer may be able to purchase a $250000 property and make the mortgage payment itself....when the insurance, taxes and HOA fees were added in.....they no longer qualified for that price property. Rule of thumb in my area, is 20% is added on top of the mortgage payment for taxes and insurance if inside the city limits, 15% in the county. Then the HOA fee is added on top of that.

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We have a condo complex here. I'm not sure what they are selling for now....but I had one listed in there and it was listed for $99900. Very reasonable...2 story townhouse, 2 br's, study, 2.5 baths, private courtyard, 2 car carport. Until you added in $150 a month HOA fee!!! People that qualify in that price range, do not usually expect a $150/mo HOA fee!!! Greatly reduces the "buyer pool".

That reduces the monthly mortgage payment amount the buyer is able to qualify for by $150 per month. Example: lender tells buyer that his monthly mortgage payment (incl taxes and hazard insurance) cannot exceed $750 per month. When a HOA payment has to be included....the amount must be subtracted from the $750. Which means the monthly payment to the mortgage company cannot exceed $600.
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Think about if you had to add $100-$250/month HOA fee onto your monthly mortgage payment. Now think about what it would be like if you had to go from $1000 a month to $2500 a month!!!! That is not unusual for a Florida condominium.

Again...the owner is either forced to sell the property as it is no longer affordable for the homeowner, or the property goes into foreclosure, because the "buyer pool" has been reduced.

Then there is also the situation of people who have purchased another house, thinking that their existing home will sell quickly...which is what they were doing prior to the 2005 hurricane season ....and they end up making 2 house payments. Not many can do that for long.

I don't know much about the Nevada market, except that from what I have read....most of the problem seems to be in the Las Vegas area. Houses were built to accommodate people who were expected to retire there or were moving to LV for job opportunities. My sister lives there part time with her fiance who is a long time casino host at the Bellagio. From what he has told me....there are 1000's of tract homes that were just "thrown" up ....cookie cutter and many poorly constructed with high prices. Many have never even been lived in. Builders/investors speculating and losing everything. I have had access to the MLS there for over a year and have been watching the market....it's really sad.

I know little to nothing about the California or Arizona markets. All I know is what I have read through National Association of Realtors.

Very very very few people purchase a home with the mindset of they are going to default. For the most part....when they purchased the property ....they were qualified. What happens to many...is life.

Jobs are lost, divorce, illness .....in other words...shit happens. These people end up either losing their homes, or the mortgage company agrees to mitigate the loan with unreasonable - usury- terms...and the homeowner still defaults.

Then there are the investors who overestimate their ability to pay or they just flat out don't make their payments. Or the builders who get in over their heads because the properties don't sell for one reason or another.

It's a vicious circle of dominoes.

I wish I had the answer but I don't....if I did....I'd make a fortune as an economist.



Would you personally sign a 105% loan?

I would not.

I would never and I do mean never, go upside down on a real real estate purchase. 

But that's just me.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2009, 10:29:55 PM »
No, I would not sign a 105% loan.....but they were only given (at least here) on property that would appraise for the extra 5% which was used for the closing costs.

But I have had 3 ARM's ....one right after another and never had a problem....except on the last one, I sold the house and paid the mortgage off 45 days before it was due to switch to fixed. Countrywide charged me $7200 for paying off the loan early..... :censored: :censored: :censored:
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2009, 11:31:31 PM »
No, I would not sign a 105% loan.....but they were only given (at least here) on property that would appraise for the extra 5% which was used for the closing costs.

But I have had 3 ARM's ....one right after another and never had a problem....except on the last one, I sold the house and paid the mortgage off 45 days before it was due to switch to fixed. Countrywide charged me $7200 for paying off the loan early..... :censored: :censored: :censored:

In your opinoin, what would prompt folks to sign a loan agreement when they were signing for more than the property was worth?

I'm kinda old school when it comes to such things.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2009, 11:37:08 PM »
I don't think that there really is a national mortgage crisis.  What I see is a few areas in crisis.

I see that about 95% of folks are still making their payments.

But we all are being penalized over the poor choices or poor luck of the other 5%.

And I see a federal government trying to sell a non-existant crisis to the ignorant, and the ignorant are buying it wholesale.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2009, 11:49:37 PM »
No, I would not sign a 105% loan.....but they were only given (at least here) on property that would appraise for the extra 5% which was used for the closing costs.



Ok.. I am stupid. 

How does that work?  A property is worth what it is worth.  How does this whole extra 5% increase in value based on closing costs thing work?

The house I live in currently appraises for about $20-25k less than I bought it for.  But I can still afford the payment on the loan contract that I am responsible for.  So the reduction in value really has nothing to do with my ability to pay that which I agreed to and contracted on.

The resale value could drop down to 1/2 what it currently is....  I can still afford to pay what I contracted for.

I knew that the market was very likely to change over the 30 year loan.  I knew it could go down as well as up.

I still make sure I pay what I contracted to pay regardless.

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 06:38:30 AM »
Ok.. I am stupid. 

How does that work?  A property is worth what it is worth.  How does this whole extra 5% increase in value based on closing costs thing work?

The house I live in currently appraises for about $20-25k less than I bought it for.  But I can still afford the payment on the loan contract that I am responsible for.  So the reduction in value really has nothing to do with my ability to pay that which I agreed to and contracted on.

The resale value could drop down to 1/2 what it currently is....  I can still afford to pay what I contracted for.

I knew that the market was very likely to change over the 30 year loan.  I knew it could go down as well as up.

I still make sure I pay what I contracted to pay regardless.




I'm not being sarcastic when I say this...just honest.

The bottom line is....a property is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

However....just because someone is willing to pay a particular price....does not mean the property will appraise for the same price.

Let me try to explain the way it works... so that it makes sense... and why property values are dropping....


A 100-house subdivision is developed and takes three years to "build out". A builder asks for a specific price on each house in the subdivision. The first houses built cost $200-250,000, depending on upgrades an individual buyer picks. This price is based upon cost of materials, initial land costs and development of the infrastructure (streets, curbs (curbing is more expensive as is the addition of sidewalks), sewers(FHA and VA loans require that houes be hooked up to a sewer system if available from main road, so if price is to be within FHA or VA guideline price, developer will do sewers rather than septic systems), utilities, any subdivision amenities such as neighborhood pool, tennis courts, soccer fields, etc.

During the 3yr time span of completion of the subdivision, prices per house increase due to materials cost, and desirability of the subdivision due to location, quality of construction, and the number of houses still available.

When the first 100 are built, given the choice and ability to qualify for a mortgage....most buyers are going to pick a new house rather than a "used" house. The buyer is able to pick their own paint colors, carpet/vinyl, and oh yeah, the builder will "throw in" a few hundred dollars in upgraded light fixtures. And while the house is being constructed, the wife decides she wants a screen porch..so that's another $5000 and built-ins in the family room for knick-knacks, the TV/sound system, and books and that's another $1500 (builtins can be added into the mortgage payment and furniture can't).

So, while that's and additional $6500 in cost and added to the mortgage...if the mortgage interest is 5%...that additional $6500 is only costing $32.50 per month...not counting taxes and hazard insurance. (don't get technical with me on the interest rate....math is not my friend, and I'm making this easy for me to figure out)

Now, on this house...it's cost has increased only $7000 (remember the builder kicked in some money for upgraded light fixtures)....it's value has increased probably by $10000 because of the screen porch and don't the builtins look pretty? The "gently used" house down the street does not have either and they only have the original light package... which usually is only around $1500 in this price range and depending on the number of rooms that is rapidly gone through - here, smoke detectors and doorbells are included in the light fixture "package" and smoke detectors are required in each bedroom, the kitchen, attic and garage. I sold new construction for 5 years in this price range up to $400000...and it really made buyers mad when they found out the smoke detectors and doorbell ate into their lighting cost.

Given the choice....a buyer will most likely pick the new house over a resale at this point, because the price of each is quite similar. Therefore, a seller who needs to sell because of job transfer/loss - neither of which is usually predictable, divorce, etc....in other words....real life happens. This puts the seller between a rock and a hard place.

While the second hundred is being built...depending on the popularity of the subdivision....buyers will start looking at the "gently used" houses if there are any on the market. The new ones have increased up to $250-350000, the resales are being sold for 5-10% above what was paid for them. Have to cover a realtor's commission and some appreciation depending on the local market. Still somewhat difficult for a resale, but it is starting to even out a bit from what it was...

While the third hundred is being built...the new ones have gone up to $300-400000....so the "gently used" resales are looking pretty good, because they are less and the seller/buyer can buy a can of paint, and replace the carpet cheaper than a brand one can be built. Plus there is now the time factor....a buyer might not have the time to wait for a new house to be built. Now the resales become more attractive, because they are appealing to a buyer who doesn't qualify for the higher priced new ones. They have increased in value due to the cost of the new homes being 100k higher than the originals cost.

At the end of 3 years ...there's a lovely subdivision. Popular area, good schools, landscaping is growing up, ta-da, ta-da.

Keep in mind...where there is one lovely subdivision....there are more. They are like rabbits...new ones keep popping up until all the land is gone.

Then the original values of the homes increase, because there are now only resales in the area. And obviously, over time...building materials and labor costs increase....so what was $250000 4-5 yrs ago has now appreciated the yearly percentage amount for the area, more if the subdivision is in a highly desirable area based on quality of schools (this is a biggie) or subdivision amenities, location, convenience to shopping, interstate access, and medical facilities. All of these factors help to determine the VALUE of the properties.

Remember that value is in the "eye of the beholder"....cost is reality of what is would cost to build or replace in the event of natural disaster or fire.

A homeowner's original mortgage has not changed...unless the homeowner refinanced for better terms, to take money out of the equity, or has taken out a home equity loan. What the original mortgage amount was is now not the same amount of the home's current value or cost to replace.

All is right with the world......

Until the housing recession started about 2 years ago...at least in my area....it has varied across the country due to job loss, over building, etc.

Now in this 300 unit subdivision, there are 30 houses on the market. The next subdivision over is smaller, so it only has 15 on the market. The problem now has become....are there 45 qualified buyers out there? Maybe...maybe not. Chances are ...there aren't.

Remember...real life has happened. Job loss, divorce, illness, kids. Many many mortgages are done based on a two-income family. Only one job has to be eliminated to create a crisis.

Out of these 30 houses in the subdivision on the market...2 or 3 of them are foreclosures. The sales price for these can be 10-50% less than a normal resale price...often even more depending on the condition. What a homeowner will do to their home when they are losing it ....can be extremely destructive. Light fixtures, appliances, sinks, toilets, cabinets, counters can all disappear.

Those homes in the subdivision that are not foreclosed on...are competing with each other to get sold. One lowers their price, the rest have to in order to compete....domino time has started. Then the seller runs into the problem that they cannot sell their home for what the mortgage balance is....and the seller doesn't have the difference to bring to the closing table.

This all starts the decrease in value of the home. However...it still does not decrease the cost of the home, in other words....the amount of money needed to replace the home due to natural disaster or fire. Therefore a homeowner cannot reduce the amount of homeowner's hazard insurance...if anything it needs to be increased....nor are the property taxes going to get reduced unless the homeowner goes to the tax assessor and can prove that the value of the home has decreased from what the tax assessor has assessed the home ...and good luck getting that accomplished.

With the exception of specific low income housing which had/has it's own set of rules....the majority of people do/did not get mortgages that they aren't qualified to receive. The guidelines are very specific with income to debt ratios.

It used to be that foreclosures didn't happen much because the job loss factor wasn't as high as it is now. Plus you add in over building, and there are just more homes on the market than there are buyers.

One of the easiest ways to help the mortgage crisis, is not to decrease the amount of the mortgage, but to decrease the interest rate. Take ALL of those mortgages that have interest rates in excess of 5%, down to 5%. That would eliminate a huge part of the problem. Many homeowners would be able to afford their payments, reduce the number of foreclosures and/or resales for which there are no buyers. It would help stabilize the housing market all across the country. It would stop the values of homes depreciating. The banks would not make as much money on mortgage interest, but they also wouldn't be losing so much on foreclosed property that they have no hope of recovering the loan amounts. It would help to keep the dominoes standing...they would still be wobbly, but at least they wouldn't be crashing like they are now.

I have to get to work....if you want ....I'll explain how appraisals for mortgage loans and home equity loans are done...though there are a couple of members here who are mortgage lenders who could probably explain all this better.

I do between 30 and 40 Broker Price Opinions on properties per month. These are done for mortgage lenders who are looking at foreclosing on the property. I also do them for home equity loans, refinancing and short sales. I do them for Chase, Citigroup, Countrywide, Bank of America, HSBC, Regions Bank, among others. These are not appraisals, but help to determine what the property will sell for on the current market.

VA loans have been one of the worst for loaning 105% on a property. I understand the theory behind it...to help the military individually for serving their country....however, based on my experience, which is limited as this has not been a "high" military area (no bases around here) until recently with all the military personnel now qualifying due to WOT....the loans themselves actually do a disservice to the buyer. The loan allows the buyer to overcommit in that the buyer can get in for very little money. I have only done one VA loan....it cost the buyer only $388 to get into the house. He was a recruiter, who was transferred a year after they bought the house. They were immediately upside down. Not that they couldn't afford their mortgage payments, but they couldn't sell the house and pay a realtor's commission without bringing money to the closing table. They ended up renting the house. I have had several VA foreclosures...2 of which I had to do the evictions. I cried.   



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