newthinking (1,154 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025010828
The Left Ought to Worry About Hillary Clinton, Hawk and Militarist, in 2016
It's a cut and paste so I won't bore you with all the babble. BLUF: Hillery is slightly to the right of Patton when it comes to military force and it's uses.
Now- I would say the one thing that Hillery is, and it's not hawkish, is that she is a Hilleryist. She will do and say anything to make herself look good and gain power.
BUT- this isn't about me, it's about the DUmp monkiez and their upcoming fight over the beast and whatever other losers try to be the next leftist president of the USA.
billhicks76 (632 posts)
4. No Way
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No way will I vote for Hillary...ever. And if she believes her entitlement is more important than our progress then it just reinforces my belief. Clinton vs Bush again? I feel like those two families have been colluding for too long. I should've first realized when I saw Bill threaten Jerry Brown in the '92 PBS roundtable primary debate. Jerry threw a photo up on the big screen of Bill and Sam Nunn inspecting prisoners at a Georgia prison camp. They were all Black, drug offenders, shackled together and in striped fatigues. This was the beginning of prison slave labor and private prisons, and the visual was repulsive. It looked like nazis inspecting the slaves. Bill blew up and turned beet red and said threateningly, "Jerry...you don't know what you're messing with." The implication was that things have already been decided at a higher level and Bill would be the fail safe if Bush Sr lost which he did thanks to Ross Perot not trusting him. Bill pretended to be a Bush adversary even though he had been complicit as Governor during IranContra. But the minute GW Bush won in 2000 and brought back his fathers administration due to Clinton abandoning investigations and prosecutions of IranContra players, Bill abandoned the facade and played golf with Bush Sr like it was going out if style. Bush Sr referred to Bill publicly as his 5th son. And now they want to hand off power to each other again. The Bush family is pure evil in my opinion and although the Clintons have since gained independent wealth I personally still view them as Bush lackeys. They are Kissinger admirers too. Maybe our military industrial complex which now has a surveillance complex won't allow any real change but if you want the top job and my vote you at least have to try. Our country is rotten because of these powerful forces who easily play games with the national psyche be pitting us against each other and pretending to be things they are not.
obviously a troll/mole hater of woman.
dreamnightwind (2,233 posts)
5. Well said
Takes courage to say all of that on this site, thank you, I agree with most all of it.
nikto (1,626 posts)
3. Hillary should promise to pardon Snowden if she's elected
Then she'll get my vote for sure.
VanillaRhapsody (10,078 posts)
13. this Liberal is most assuredly NOT worried....Hillary IS Left of Barack Obama...I knew it BEFORE
He won the primary.....
I am amused how many are afraid of the most powerful woman in Govt!
Scuba (38,034 posts)
24. Left of Obama includes the middle-right.
Pholus (3,572 posts)
26. While I like and respect Ms. Clinton, the "no dynasty" argument will be hard to overcome.
I've seen that argument particularly resonates with my rethug coworkers as well. Like Babs Bush, they don't want another Bush either.
I do have fun telling him that Jeb is actually the least insane candidate they have....
Leopolds Ghost (12,546 posts)
30. Sad.
It's hard to post on DU or anywhere else when you can't find very many actual liberals and end up arguing with "progressives" who are hawks and conservative on every issue that the Democratic party is conservative on, and only liberal on social / cultural issues... How do you argue with well-meaning people who insist that they are the liberals and that you, being to the left of them, are batshit crazy leftist?
Perhaps this may help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_Window
Describes the strategy used by the right wing to move discourse within the opposition to the right. It was a media manipulation strategy pioneered by Lee Atwater, one which does not require the medium of communication to be owned or secured by the person using it (which means liberals can use it too, as I am doing now, hint hint).
Or, maybe the huge majority of the country doesn't really think like you.
Evergreen Emerald (10,251 posts)
37. Secretary of state "accomplishment" meme: bunch of political bullshit.
She did her job. Well. I have never heard of any secretary of state needing to list "accomplishments." It is another new job description used to bash Clinton.
During her tenure, she was highly regarded world wide, and assisted in the most important goal: to undo the damage that Bush/ Cheney did to our international reputation. She represented Obama--and the US superbly.
There are definitions and specifications created solely for Clinton and used as roadblocks in an attempt to continue the degradation that started years and years ago.
She is one damn bad-ass fighter to take them on. It is a shame that many "liberals" grabbed their pitchforks and joined the ugly nonsensical crowd.
The rest of the world begs to differ.
