the master primitive's losing his mind

[Tess Anderson]

TMN is back to those self-deletes again.

Isn't the JaneyVee primitive his wife, the one with the flaccid upper arms?

Nah, there IS a Jane Banzin, but JaneyVee claims to be 32 years old.

[vesta111]

This coming from those who feel age 5 can decide for themselves what gender or sexual orientation they feel like being.

You hit the nail wiffle, there has been some big changes in the academic part of raising children.

Problem I believe is there is no one around to Teach the kids out of school.

I received a good tongue lashing in Cal. when my oldest child went to first grade and could read since she was 3.  I had caused my kid to be bored in class when she was reading 4 classes above her classmates.

   Less then  a year later the teachers were complaining the parents were not helping the kids with homework.  The new Math had come in and it was a mystery to us how it worked.
We parents had been taught to memorise the times tables and not use a calculator.   

Then in come marching the Professionals with all their theory's on allowing our children self expression, no rules for the kids to follow and to encourage them to act out of anger and manipulate the parents, siblings, teachers and finally as adults everyone with tears and claims of some  mental disability.

 Much easier for the parents to excuse the monsters they raised on something they were born with then to blame themselves for being bad parent role models.

Teachers are there to teach the 3 R's, Parents there to teach all else about survival into the world they are going into.  Unfortunately the world the kids are moving into is nothing like the lives their parents grew up in. How to teach a child about living in a future that is so different from one the parents experienced ?   A world that is not here yet, we are not fortune tellers,

So teach them survival methods, how to cook and clean, how to sew on a button, what to do when lost, ------I forgot the Boy Scouts have been doing this for a century. 

[Gina]

I would much rather acclimate my children to the do's & don'ts of gun handling instead of leaving them to finding out on their own.

They also claim these young children will know to leave guns alone if they are taught to shoot guns. They believe that they can create gun safe children if they know how to handle guns.

It does work. It's called knowing what your kids are doing all the time and not sitting on the computer ignoring them.

[RayRaytheSBS]

BainsBane (22,516 posts)

9. Raising the next generation of killers takes time

Once again, a fool opens her mouth and proves she is a fool. This method of teaching children that firearms are merely tools, has been done for generations and kept our society safe as we expanded west. If it was good enough for homesteaders on the prairie, it is good enough for us now. The ignorance of these people and the power they assign to to a gun to cause people to kill people is amazingly pathetic.

Bain'sBane, (I know you are looking at this site)  I will say this so even YOU should understand. A gun can sit there loaded and off safe for YEARS and nothing will happen to it or anyone around it. It is only when a gun is used as a tool by a human, does it come to be in a situation where it can cause harm to another human.

 So in other words, a gun is only deadly when in a person's hand. It is the PERSON, not the gun that is deadly. Maybe we should regulate and ban people... Oh wait...your party has already done that with your right to 'choice'.

[JohnnyReb]

Once again, a fool opens her mouth and proves she is a fool. This method of teaching children that firearms are merely tools, has been done for generations and kept our society safe as we expanded west. If it was good enough for homesteaders on the prairie, it is good enough for us now. The ignorance of these people and the power they assign to to a gun to cause people to kill people is amazingly pathetic.

Bain'sBane, (I know you are looking at this site)  I will say this so even YOU should understand. A gun can sit there loaded and off safe for YEARS and nothing will happen to it or anyone around it. It is only when a gun is used as a tool by a human, does it come to be in a situation where it can cause harm to another human.

 So in other words, a gun is only deadly when in a person's hand. It is the PERSON, not the gun that is deadly. Maybe we should regulate and ban people... Oh wait...your party has already done that with your right to 'choice'.

With most of the mass shootings being done by liberals, I'd say it's those that don't teach kids about guns that are causing the problem.

[franksolich]

This thread got active once I quit watching it.

loli phabay (5,384 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:12 AM

13. the .22 cricket in the first pic is actually a very nice lil shooting rifle

and a good rifle to learn on, single shot bolt action. my daughter has the exact same one and loves it. but i look at this as a rural urban thing, out here in the boonies everyone hunts and shoots and every house has guns so taking the mystique out of them means the kids leave them alone as they know if they want to go shooting its a given that mom or dad are also raring to go.

exboyfil (3,921 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:43 AM

35. But to be pink?

Don't we already have enough problems telling toy guns from the real thing? My mom's grip on her gun was pink, and I had the same thought.

NickB79 (10,512 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:27 AM

15. The little boy in the last pic is shooting a Daisy BB gun

My 3-yr old daughter and I do the same thing when I'm plinking empty soda cans in the backyard

[franksolich]

NYC_SKP (57,255 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:36 AM

29. "We're embracing our ID." I think there's a lot of truth to that, freshwest.

On a lot of levels, some of them very unpretty, indeed.

We are a war-like people that, certainly since the World Wars, we have become increasingly invasive and military and ridiculously armed, and that's official government business.

We also practice and model predatory economic and business practices, many business schools don't even bother teaching ethics anymore.
 
But on a kinder note, we have guns in our recent history, the history of the revolution, and then of settlement of the west and even to this day, in Alaska and the larger more rural states, guns are very much a part of the culture and not in an unhealthy way.
 
Of course there's this other culture of gun idiots and they might pop up anywhere, at the mall, or at a teabagger meeting, and that particular bunch of gun nuts is kind of frightening.

^^^obviously "gun idiots" refers to whacked-out left-wingists who go on rampages.

[franksolich]

BainsBane (22,527 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:14 AM

9. Raising the next generation of killers takes time

Evidently they want to start early. The prospect of having a child that doesn't look for opportunities to kill other human beings must be unacceptable to them. We aren't the most violent country on earth by accident. It takes sustained desensitization to violence and human life to make that happen.

Eleanors38 (6,624 posts)   Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:37 AM

19. So, what are the odds these kids will be "killers?"

Lost_Count (157 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:54 AM

33. Statistics and probability are not the strong suit of anti 2nd amendment folks...

[franksolich]

Nuclear Unicorn (9,968 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 09:09 AM

20. "It takes sustained desensitization..."

Is that what enables you to run around accusing normal people of doing normal things of breeding killers?
 
This is the part you keep refusing to accept: It's not the gun. The gun is not a magical totem that overtakes the mind of the possessor like Sauron's ring. It is the person.
 
When you reduce people to cheap, impersonal caricatures YOU are fostering the environment of desensitization. When you claim people are raising their children to become killers YOU are the one creating the hostility and expectations of violence. When you run around with an aire of smug moral superiority YOU set yourself as the arbiter of right and wrong, who has rights and who does not.
 
Give it a rest already. Have the courage to accept your own advice.

BainsBane (22,527 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 09:36 AM

21. "YOU set yourself as the arbiter of right and wrong, who has rights and who does not."

You want to pretend there is no moral difference between killing and not killing, that's your problem. As for the second part, the gun lobby and their cronies have already determined who has rights, and I lost out. I have been told I have no right to life. The guns rights exceed my right to live. That is well established. The world is exactly as the gun activists want it. They have unfettered access to guns and can and do kill black youths when they feel like it. The only thing they can't control is our minds, and that infuriates you. You won. I would think that would be enough, but no. You won't stop until you make sure no American dares to speak out against the sacred gun. The power of the gun lobby must be absolute.
 
So you go ahead and pretend my right to speech is responsible for 32,000 deaths a year rather than killers armed with guns. The whole lie of "rights' is exposed by the gun lobby's efforts to erode the First Amendment, making it illegal for doctors to speak and write about gun violence, while their followers run around the web telling people who question the cult of the gun that it is they who are responsible for violence because they dare to value human life over property and killing.
 
Politics is about morality. It's called social justice. My view is that if one doesn't stand up for what is right and just, any supposed political affiliation is meaningless I understand that everyone doesn't see the world that way. That is their right, but I will not pretend that teaching small children to kill is anything but reprehensible because some insist that others participate in their self-delusion that lethal weapons are intended for anything other than what they are designed--killing.

[franksolich]

Nuclear Unicorn (9,968 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:09 AM

25. Yes, there is a difference between killing and not killing.

Sometimes the use of deadly force is a practical, moral necessity that may result in the death of the offending party -- unless you believe people have a moral obligation to submit to their attackers.*
 
So you go ahead and pretend my right to speech--[quoting BainsBane]
 
Is it your right to call people killers, terrorists and the breeders of killers when all they want to do is defend themselves and their families?
 
If so than it is my right to call you the enabler of robbers, violent stalkers and rapists.

*she does.

pintobean (11,159 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:23 AM

26. "When you reduce people to cheap, impersonal caricatures"

Response to BainsBane (Reply #173)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:46 PM

nomorenomore08 (7,528 posts)
175. Reducing someone to a caricature means never having to say you're so sorry...
 
Or wrong, or an asshole... You get the idea...

Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #175)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:49 PM

Star Member BainsBane (22,515 posts)
177. Honestly, I'm guilty of it with the gunners

I don't think I am on most other issues, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit to it on gun issues. That is one of the reasons I'm trying to stay out of the Gungeon. Thankfully, I'm banned from the Men's Group, which spares me from getting into a great deal of trouble. I owe Major Nikon a debt of gratitude for that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023672445#post177

hootinholler (23,153 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:02 AM

34. Maybe we should lobby Major Nikon

To let her back in, lol.

pintobean (11,159 posts)   Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:51 AM

36. I just sent him a pm

linking to your post and seconding the idea. 

[franksolich]

hack89 (24,240 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 09:42 AM

22. Yet our murder rate has been cut in half.

And continues to fall. How is that possible with all these proto-killers being trained every day?

oldhippie (2,520 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:27 AM

27. But they get a lot of that .......

... practice in video games. Entire games filled with trying to kill as many people as they can.
 
It takes sustained desensitization to violence and human life to make that happen.

That is the real problem.

Lasher (22,599 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:06 PM

37. The USA is not the most violent country on earth.

Not even close. Not by accident or by intention.

BainsBane (22,527 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:08 PM

38. In many ways it is

We have the largest military in history and exist in a constant state of war. We also have the highest homicide rate in the developed world and higher than most developing nations.

dsc (40,393 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:16 PM

40. If you restrict to developed nations

we pretty much are. Yes there are some second and third world hell holes that are more violent than we are, but if you take those out and restrict the comparison to countries in which a person would choose to settle, we are the most violent by a country mile.

sked14 (192 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:15 PM
response to the BainsBane primitive

39. I've got just one thing to say to your post.

[franksolich]

Lost_Count (157 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:47 AM

10. Worked for me...

I shot about that young and it was burned into my brain that sure and instant destruction would rain down on me the moment I touched one of the various tucked away weapons.

mainer (7,382 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:10 AM

12. An 8-year-old died not long ago shooting an AK-47

Wasn't strong enough to control it, fired once, the barrel swung up, and the second shot went into his head. Dad was an ER doctor, who'd taken his son to a gun show. Tragic, tragic.

Eleanors38 (6,624 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:49 AM

30. IIRC, there have been two (2) accidental deaths with full-auto arms

In the last 30+ yrs. I believe the one you mentioned was actually with an Uzi, a very short-barreled and small gun, and was one of those 2 deaths.

Codeine (13,199 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:15 AM

14. I shot guns all the time when I was little.

I turned out fine, and the only gun I own as an adult is an old Soviet rifle that may or may not actually work -- it's just an historical piece for which I don't even have ammo.

Eleanors38 (6,624 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 08:30 AM

17. I didn't first shoot at 5 y.o. Probably 6...

I fired a .32 snub nose at an oil drum. My Dad showed me the big dent to explain what a real gun was like. A few yrs later, cap pistols fell out of favor with me and my brothers, and by 13, we all had a revolver and a shotgun with lessons and hunting experience under our belts.
 
And I then taught my 8th grade class how to safely clean that pump shotgun. At school.
 
Parents can make these decisions.

Packerowner740 (452 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 09:43 AM

23. No one that young needs to be handling guns

Logical (11,383 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:53 AM

32. I had a BB gun as a kid. Loved it. Was good enough for fun.

indie9197 (326 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:17 PM

41. The parents here are doing their kids a disservice

and may actually be puting them more st risk. These kids think they know how to shoot now. They don't. They just know how to point and pull the trigger. There is a lot more to it. Carrying, loading, unloading, fixing jams, safe configurations, etc. All things that you have to be older and bigger to do. Plus, I don't see them letting little 5yo Billy play with the Glock. I wonder why? These parents are making a political statement, nothing more.

[franksolich]

And finally, this.  By the way, I've now brought over the whole thread, so no need to check at the link for additional primitive comments.

cyberswede (14,552 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:18 PM

42. Locking

Host consensus is that this doesn't meet the SoP for GD; it isn't related to a current big news story.

[Dori]

BainsBane (22,527 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:08 PM

38. In many ways it is

We have the largest military in history and exist in a constant state of war. We also have the highest homicide rate in the developed world and higher than most developing nations.

Only Two US Army Brigades Now Combat Ready, Chief Says
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20131021/DEFREG02/310210035/Only-Two-US-Army-Brigades-Now-Combat-Ready-Chief-Says

[GOBUCKS]

We aren't the most violent country on earth by accident. It takes sustained desensitization to violence and human life to make that happen.

If you subtract urban 0bamaites from the calculation, this country is no more violent than Switzerland or Tahiti.

[franksolich]

If you subtract urban 0bamaites from the calculation, this country is no more violent than Switzerland or Tahiti.

But you know she's not going to do that, because it would imply criticism of a politically-correct minority.

[Karin]

Isn't the JaneyVee primitive his wife, the one with the flaccid upper arms?

As someone else said, it's not the same Jane.  What I'll always remember about JaneyVee is that she just adored Pajama Boy.  Thought it was simply genius.     So did Pretzel Warrior.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Ol' NU was serving BigBoobs some of the same flavor of truth about her defective thinking that she got so much of over here.

 

Mmmmmmm, tasty!

[whiffleball]

Bain'sBane, (I know you are looking at this site)  I will say this so even YOU should understand. A gun can sit there loaded and off safe for YEARS and nothing will happen to it or anyone around it. It is only when a gun is used as a tool by a human, does it come to be in a situation where it can cause harm to another human.

 

She's so self absorbed that of course she's watching any thread here that mentions her name.  I've always disliked Gnads, but she's almost bearable when compared to BB.

[NHSparky]

Ms. Hindenberg chimes in:

Warpy (74,040 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:10 AM

5. There is a You Tube out there

of grown men firing Big Ugly Guns for the first time and getting knocked on their asses by the recoil. I shudder to think what it would do to a five year old's little body.
 
Five is the age for supervised plinking at cans with an air rifle, not Big Ugly Guns that kick like mules.

^^^but on record as not being concerned about what drugs do to a pre-born infant's little body.

Maybe Warpy shouldn't know that when I was but a wee lad, I had my first .22 when I was all of 8.  As in OWNED it.  Bought my own ammo--or earned the money and gave it to my parents who bought it for me.

By the time I got to high school, living in the Four Corners area not far from where she lives, we used to go out off La Plata Highway and hunt deer, etc., come fall.  I used to blow off steam by taking my 20-gauge and a box of shells out with the dog and shooting the living shit out of whatever looked fun to shoot (rarely anything living.)  And I used to use the hills behind my home (Butler ended around 30th back in the day, before "F" Hill) and sight in the .308 for 400 yards without worrying about the bullet coming near anything.

Hell, now that I'm older, I don't have time to go out shooting/hunting.  But I'm working on getting the kids interested in it, if only to learn to respect, not fear, what a gun is and what it can do.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Ol' NU was serving BigBoobs...

There's only one big boob...

...it just happens to have enormous breasts.

[RayRaytheSBS]

BainsBane (22,527 posts)    Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:08 PM

38. In many ways it is

We have the largest military in history and exist in a constant state of war.

Wow... just wow... you have to be kidding right? Our military is sitting at 546,000 at the END of 2012. United States Army

Contrast that with the Chinese army, one of your Commie friends, they have 2,285,000.  That is over 4 times the amount of our country. They are currently ranked as the largest standing army in the world.

People's Liberation Army.

'It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt'.

Mark Twain

Edited to add quotes

[Big Dog]

'It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt'.

Mark Twain

And as Abraham Lincoln once said to a Democrat woman, "Boobs ain't brains, sweetheart. Now, shut your cock holster and make me a sammich."

[NHSparky]

And someone ought to remind these twits that even at the height of the Cold War, under Ronaldus Maximus, DoD spending was barely 6 percent of GDP.  Under Bush, it peaked at 4.7 percent (and was usually under 4 percent) and is now back under 4 percent, on it's way to a "projected" 2.8 percent of GDP by FY2018.

Now let's compare that to the Soviet Union, who spent over 30 PERCENT of their GDP on their military, and the Russians still spend in excess of 5 percent of their GDP on their military.  The Chinese currently spend about 2 percent of their GDP on military spending--I guess you can knock down the price when your Navy is pretty much welded to the pier and you pay your folks a pittance without any sort of VA or other post-service support.  YMMV.

[DumbAss Tanker]

... and you pay your folks a pittance without any sort of VA or other post-service support.  YMMV.

It's tough to make any kind of direct comparison on that with a social welfare state, where any post-service benefits are replaced by or interchangeable with the social welfare benefits available to the entire population.  Their lack of a worldwide Air Force or Navy structure do make a huge difference, of course you're right about that.