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What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« on: March 28, 2010, 12:10:07 PM »
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This is a snippet of a discussion between me and my daughter's friend, who is stationed in Iraq. Another member of the military over there with him interjected with her opinions (she quoted me...the part in italics):

"BUT, except for the Afghanistan theater, it's been 65 years since any member of the military actually defended this nation and its freedoms. Every war since has been to defend US interests and to keep feeding what I call The Beast (the military industrial complex). Korea, Vietnam (esp. Vietnam), Panama, Grenada, Iraq were all fought to further U.S. corporate interests. There is just no debate in that."

Those are YOUR words. You lost every ounce of respect I had for you when you said those words. The American Soldiers over there are defending THIS nation, they are defending it against terrorist groups that are trying to KILL people in our country or have you forgotten 9/11?

And just for the record, "now to cover what will be trillions of dollars in healthcare costs for the injured coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan (those injured in Iraq should never have been as we should never have been in there)" makes you sound like an insensitive asshole. Whether you believe in the war in Iraq or not, those soldiers deserve the best treatment out there and this comment makes it seem as though you are saying those who have fought and been injured or killed in Iraq did it for nothing, well guess what....you're wrong and if thats what you truly believe you can go to HELL. My nephew doesn't have a dad because of this war. It is a reality of life that my son could lose both of his parents because of this war, a war that ALL of us completely believe in what we are fighting for. While you sit at home and watch TV and enjoy starting your family life over. I hope you enjoy those freedoms you've been given while my child and his friends wonder when/if their parents are coming home this time.


I understand it's beneficial to have members of a military who do not question authority but, jesus h. christ, the indoctrination they're receiving...

It's been 7 years since the invasion and they still believe this?!?!!?

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So terrorism is fake shit and global warming/ climate change is real.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 12:14:47 PM »
that just goes to show that Liberalism IS a mental disorder.........
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 12:18:52 PM »
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 12:20:00 PM »
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 12:34:07 PM »
Dear DUmmy Roland99,

You are a ****-knuckle.  That is all.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2010, 12:59:53 PM »
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I understand it's beneficial to have members of a military who do not question authority but, jesus h. christ, the indoctrination they're receiving...


Ummm. Bullshit. It's called a love of God and Country and the willingness to put on a uniform and defend it. It's called having been around the world and knowing just how friggin' lucky we are to have these freedoms. Most Americans don't realise just how good they have it. You can do and say pretty much whatever you want in the USA. Most people in the world don't have that luxury. And it's the blood of our forefathers on foreign soils fighting against tyranny that afforded us these precious rights.


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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2010, 01:07:20 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on March 28, 2010, 12:59:53 PM

Ummm. Bullshit. It's called a love of God and Country and the willingness to put on a uniform and defend it. It's called having been around the world and knowing just how friggin' lucky we are to have these freedoms. Most Americans don't realise just how good they have it. You can do and say pretty much whatever you want in the USA. Most people in the world don't have that luxury. And it's the blood of our forefathers on foreign soils fighting against tyranny that afforded us these precious rights.


Dickhead.

Hell, even countries that are as free as England, Canada and Australia have hate crime laws covering speech.  Granted, I think our hate crime laws are a step in that direction.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2010, 01:07:45 PM »
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I understand it's beneficial to have members of a military who do not question authority but, jesus h. christ, the indoctrination they're receiving...

Yeah, because being taught to live core values of honor, respect and devotion to duty are so evil. To do the right thing in the face of censure. To put others before yourself, even if it puts you in danger. These things are verboten to DUmmies I guess.

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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2010, 01:17:28 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on March 28, 2010, 12:59:53 PM

Ummm. Bullshit. It's called a love of God and Country and the willingness to put on a uniform and defend it. It's called having been around the world and knowing just how friggin' lucky we are to have these freedoms. Most Americans don't realise just how good they have it. You can do and say pretty much whatever you want in the USA. Most people in the world don't have that luxury. And it's the blood of our forefathers on foreign soils fighting against tyranny that afforded us these precious rights.


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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 01:22:17 PM »
I guess the freedom and prosperity we have here was won by Socially progressive enviromental socialist, huh. Dummies don't even recognize what and who they should be thankful too.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2010, 01:27:40 PM »
Quote from: Mike220 on March 28, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
Yeah, because being taught to live core values of honor, respect and devotion to duty are so evil. To do the right thing in the face of censure. To put others before yourself, even if it puts you in danger. These things are verboten to DUmmies I guess.

****tard.

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Agreed Coastie. I'll be the first to admit that I can make an ass of myself sometimes. But when I do I stand up and admit it and apologise. It's called Honor and a certain degree of humility. Something DUmmies seem to lack.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2010, 02:06:42 PM »
Stupid is thick with this DUmmie.

It's not indoctrination...it's called being a part of something bigger than yourself.

It's called giving back to a country that allows us to have the freedoms we enjoy.

That last one in particular is foreign to DUmmies who think they deserve everything for nothing. 
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2010, 02:29:48 PM »
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It's been 7 years since the invasion and they still believe this?!?!!?

Maybe it's because they're actually there, DUmbass, and know the score. Maybe they're privy to information you don't have, because you get all your information from some asshole Leftist blog.

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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2010, 02:38:40 PM »
Well, lookee here. Another Army "Ranger":

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18. First post here, figured I'd chime in on this topic.
 Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 02:18 PM by David West
I've been kind of lurking around here for a while and following some of the discussions to sort of get a perspective on what the people around here think (lets just say I'm not in this forums typical demographic. In fact many of you would probably consider me a right-wing nut job  ) and I finally decided it was time for me to chime in on this topic.

I'm an Army Ranger. I enlisted almost 2 years ago because I thought the wars we were fighting were just and good and that I'd be going overseas not only to protect Americans but to liberate the oppressed peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan. I became a "forward observer" because I wanted a combat MOS that would put me right in the thick of things. Last summer I deployed to Mosul, Iraq for 4 months, and while (thankfully) it was a very uneventful deployment, it was a pretty eye-opening experience for me.

Needless to say, I'm now going through the process of seeking classification as a conscientious objector because I realized that all the good reasons I thought we had to be over there are lies. I realized I could no longer take part in a war that was based on lies ad was killing more innocent people than anything. Long story short I felt that the mind-sets of my fellow soldiers and the policies of the Army were pretty horrifying and decided I could no longer serve with or under them if that's how they felt.

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26. I agree with the OP
 Honestly, I agree more with OP. There's some good people in the military, no doubt, but by and large there seems to be a lot of institutional brainwashing going on. Sadly, quite a few of the really upstanding people I've met are blinded by a brand of patriotism that depicts God as bleeding red, white, and blue (and as a registered Republican). My old platoon sergeant, who never swears, doesn't drink, and has a son named "Christian Freedom" springs to mind. He's a great guy, don't get me wrong. A man of great character and integrity, it just seems like he's blinded by lies that allow him to be misused by corrupt bureaucrats, and I think that's really sad. A lot of the other personnel seem to either fall into a couple distinct camps. A disturbing number of people don't like the government, think the wars are bogus or should have ended long ago, and see straight through all the BS we do, but they just roll with it. They don't really care; they're just here to finish their contract and get out. Some people fall more into the "alpha-dog" category and enlisted just to kill people. They tend to think that the more they puff up their chest, the better they'll get their point across and working harder instead of smarter makes them more of a man. The scariest type of people, though, is probably the power-hungry type. Most career military types seem to either be of this mold or are like my old platoon sergeant and are basically noble but a little misguided. The power hungry types are in everything for themselves and think they are better than other people. My company commander is a prime example of this mind set. The guy thinks he is God's gift to humanity, and probably in a scarily literal way.

This is maybe a bit unfair a claim to make as most of my time in the military has been spent around Rangers, who are typically more bloodthirsty than the regular Army, but very few soldiers actually care about what they are doing, they just blindly follow orders and want to kill people. They have no respect whatsoever for the people they are ostensibly "protecting," be they Iraqis, Afghanis, or even just American Civilians. Alot of military personnel have this weird hatred for civilians that I can't quite explain and I could certainly never justify. They also have zero respect for women because, in the words of my squad leader, "what else are women for but to lust after?"

Everyone that I worked with seemed shocked when they found out that I wouldn't call for fire to save one of them if it meant killing dozens of civilians (this was all discussed theoretically, it never even came close to happening while I was over there). I told them that, as willing combatants, it was our job to PROTECT innocent people, and that EVERY precaution should be taken to avoid harming them even if it puts us in more danger. As soon as I'd make a claim like that people would start chiming in and asking me stuff like, "have you seen the way these people live? They're like animals! How could you care about them more than us?" I even had people accuse me, through truly convoluted feats of logic, that I must not love anyone because I'd rather let my best friend die than kill innocent people that I don't know. My squad leader, who is a regular old piece of work, literally told me that, "100 of them aren't worth one of us!" Mind you, he was talking about INNOCENT people including women and children, not just terrorists or insurgents.

I hate to say it, because it usually seems like people just pull it out of nowhere and misapply the term, but the opinions espoused by these people seem genuinely racist. Their base assumption seems to be that brown people = terrorists, or at least that Muslims = terrorists. My company commander would often spout gems like, "I hope we get re-called this weekend and surged to Somalia so we can kill all the stupid ****ing Muslims!" and, "We'll get our revenge when we go to Afghanistan and start putting Muslims to bed!" It's disgusting, and to top it all off the guy claims to be a Christian, and then (and he's not alone in this) acts like I'm somehow not a Christian or at least in err because I don't see this as some kind of holy crusade.



 
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 02:42:35 PM »
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18. First post here, figured I'd chime in on this topic.
 Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 02:18 PM by David West
I've been kind of lurking around here for a while and following some of the discussions to sort of get a perspective on what the people around here think (lets just say I'm not in this forums typical demographic. In fact many of you would probably consider me a right-wing nut job  ) and I finally decided it was time for me to chime in on this topic.

I'm an Army Ranger. I enlisted almost 2 years ago because I thought the wars we were fighting were just and good and that I'd be going overseas not only to protect Americans but to liberate the oppressed peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan. I became a "forward observer" because I wanted a combat MOS that would put me right in the thick of things. Last summer I deployed to Mosul, Iraq for 4 months, and while (thankfully) it was a very uneventful deployment, it was a pretty eye-opening experience for me.

Needless to say, I'm now going through the process of seeking classification as a conscientious objector because I realized that all the good reasons I thought we had to be over there are lies. I realized I could no longer take part in a war that was based on lies ad was killing more innocent people than anything. Long story short I felt that the mind-sets of my fellow soldiers and the policies of the Army were pretty horrifying and decided I could no longer serve with or under them if that's how they felt.

I doubt you even are a park ranger much less an Army Ranger. You may drive a Ford Ranger though.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2010, 02:49:57 PM »
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My old platoon sergeant, who never swears, doesn't drink,


Fake. Show us your DD 214.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2010, 04:08:40 PM »
Eye-opening?  How's this for eye-opening, stud...dropping the shower while you're in the employ of the Kansas Gravel Company.  That could get REALLY eye-opening.

I call BS.  And if this guy IS for real, he'd be the first (and probably ONLY) Ranger I ever heard speak in such a manner.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2010, 08:00:37 PM »
More lies then average, but still lies.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 08:28:44 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on March 28, 2010, 02:42:35 PM
I doubt you even are a park ranger much less an Army Ranger. You may drive a Ford Ranger though.

David West? DUmbass...you know with a phone call I can do a tab check at Fort Benning?

They love busting fake Rangers.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 08:34:38 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on March 28, 2010, 08:28:44 PM
David West? DUmbass...you know with a phone call I can do a tab check at Fort Benning?

They love busting fake Rangers.

Busting fakes isn't exactly like watching table tennis around here - or at TAH, for that matter - either. :cheers1:
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2010, 08:35:33 PM »
Quote from: dandi on March 28, 2010, 02:38:40 PM
Well, lookee here. Another Army "Ranger":

A forward observer is  13F, and they are trained at Fort Sill, OK. An enlisted field artillery private has almost no chance in hell at getting a Ranger School slot.

Second, the Army doesn't do four month tours. That's the Air Force.

Now, if he was an enlisted forward air controller in the air force he might have done a four month tour- however, they have an even less chance at getting a Ranger slot than a DUmbassed Gun Bunny.

The rest of his story is just ****ing stupid and is more likely to come from watching war movies than from real life.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2010, 08:59:44 PM »
Whoops--amazing what happens when bullshit stories encounter people who know they're bullshit.
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2010, 11:47:05 PM »
That dumbass doesn't know the power of a pissed off Ranger but it sure would be funny to watch him try and run away from one
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 12:32:57 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on March 28, 2010, 08:59:44 PM
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Re: What the military is doing to the minds of our men and women in uniform
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2010, 12:42:42 AM »
he may be ranger school qualified, but they haven't deployed the ranger battalions to mosul for "uneventful deployments" AFAIK.  dutch would know more, i bet.
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