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Offline Alpha Mare

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What the????
« on: October 04, 2009, 01:10:40 PM »
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Fastcars (28 posts)      Sun Oct-04-09 12:50 PM
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Lack Of Taser Killed A Good Friend

I understand the sentiments of many here that tasers are often mis-used and even can lead to death in some circumstances, but the local PD's refusal to issues them is the reason a friend of mine died this weekend.

He was bi-polar (hyper-religious) and assaulted a 77 year old woman working at a local pharmacy while suffering from what I guess would be called a psychotic episode. He left the pharmacy and a local officer pulled him over a couple of miles from the store. A physical altercation ensued, an off duty officer stopped to render aid (I do not know if he was on the scene before the fight started)and ended up shooting and killing Scott. If either officer was armed with a taser instead of a firearm, Scott could most likely have been subdued without the use of lethal force. At least we would know they did everything they could before resorting to lethal force.

I am in no way blaming the officers, my friend was tough as hell when not undergoing some form of psychotic episode so I can't imagine dealing with him in that state. I do blame the local PD's refusal to issued a non-lethal alternative to end this type of situation.

Excuse the rambling. I am more than a little disturbed about this.
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WTF is hyper-religious?  Me thinks it was a lack of straightjacket and rubber room that killed this loon.

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Re: What the????
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 01:24:38 PM »
That post defines the futility of trying to talk to a DUmmie.

Had the "PD" issued Tasers, and had a taser been employed, and had his "hyper-religous" friend been arrested with no more then a headache and 2 pin holes in him than Mr Fastcars would have been going batshit crazy about how the "PD" treat sick people that just need understanding and care.  
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Re: What the????
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 01:30:52 PM »
It seems like the local police were familiar with this friend that died, and knew that he was dangerous. 
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Fastcars (29 posts)           Sun Oct-04-09 01:07 PM
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13. My Money....
   
Would have been on Scott in a two on one confrontation with about 90% of the Bossier City PD, even in a non-psychotic episode. He has had run-ins with them in the past and the BCPD stated that in a 10 on 1 situation three of the officers were injured trying to subdue Scott in the past.

I understand that many cops mis-use tasers, and are very fond of using them as punishment for failure to jump when told to. If your were familiar with the BCPD you would understand the mindset that non-lethal force isn't an attractive alternative.

Are you saying that deadly force is their first choice? 
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Re: What the????
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 01:34:08 PM »
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Fastcars (28 posts)      Sun Oct-04-09 01:20 PM
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21. Never Defended Scott's Actions....
 But I guess you are okay with summary execution of mentally ill people that commit violent acts.

Found this post by a sufferer while researching "hyper-religiosity: "within weeks im talking to and seeing spirits all around me, some claim to be god, or buddha or whatever kind of supreme being happens to be the centre of the religion ive been looking at. Then i start trusting and listening to these voices, making random decisions and doing weird things... then the spirits turn nasty, telling me to do bad things, hurt myself or others.. then i get depressed, then i come out of it and go back to not believing in any of it. "
 
 

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Re: What the????
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 01:37:57 PM »
Bossier City police have identified the apparently unarmed man who was killed during a fight with two of their Patrol Division officers Friday.

Scott Gray, 42, of Bossier City, was the suspect in the beating of a 77-year-old woman the same day at Walgreen's at Shed Road at Airline Drive. He and the officers got into a fight when he was stopped on Old Minden Road, police say.

The two officers have been identified as Sgt. Todd Hylbert, a 16-year member of the Police Department, and officer Kary Szyska, who has been with the department for eight years. Both are on paid administrative leave pending investigations by the Police Department's internal affairs and criminal investigations divisions.
The unidentified woman was released from WK Bossier Health Center on Friday night after being treated there for head and facial injuries.

Bossier City police said they expect to complete their investigations this week, at which time further details will be released.


http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20091004/NEWS03/910040319/Bossier-City-IDs-officers-and-slain-man-

Read the comments. If he were that crazy he should have been locked up long ago. From what I've read, his friend was a repeat offender.

Don't fight the police.  Don't beat up old women.  It will get you killed.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 01:51:36 PM »
Sounds like those police officers performed a valuable public service.

Sometimes, the use of lethal force is not regrettable.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 01:54:36 PM »
The hate for the police in this area is shocking.   
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Re: What the????
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 01:57:53 PM »
Bi-polar peeps don't have "psychotic episodes"
We have "manic episodes"
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Re: What the????
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 02:00:52 PM »
Yep.  Fastcars blew a tire on that excuse.  Will he try for another ? 
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Re: What the????
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 02:06:52 PM »
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He was bi-polar (hyper-religious) and assaulted a 77 year old woman working at a local pharmacy while suffering from what I guess would be called a psychotic episode.


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Like Ree said. Bi-polar people don't have "psychotic episodes". Sound more like this guy was suffering from some form of psychosis.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 05:02:59 PM »
They didn't taze him, bro.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 05:30:01 PM »
Quote from: RightCoast on October 04, 2009, 01:24:38 PM
That post defines the futility of trying to talk to a DUmmie.

Had the "PD" issued Tasers, and had a taser been employed, and had his "hyper-religous" friend been arrested with no more then a headache and 2 pin holes in him than Mr Fastcars would have been going batshit crazy about how the "PD" treat sick people that just need understanding and care.  

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Re: What the????
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2009, 05:34:15 PM »
Crazy or not crazy ... anyone who would beat on a 77 year old needs to be dead.  Good on the cops in this situation.  Kept the family of the 77 year old from having to do it.

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Re: What the????
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2009, 07:36:15 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on October 04, 2009, 05:34:15 PM
Crazy or not crazy ... anyone who would beat on a 77 year old needs to be dead.  Good on the cops in this situation.  Kept the family of the 77 year old from having to do it.

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And kept them from going to jail for it.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2009, 07:36:46 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on October 04, 2009, 05:30:01 PM
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Re: What the????
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2009, 08:13:55 PM »
Sorry but I have little tolerance for mentally disturbed people hurting or killing people. Problem solved before he killed an innocent.  It's the bell curve, better known as the population distribution.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2009, 11:01:21 PM »
I'm sure when they found out this looney toon was the one they were after, they went into battle knowing full well they may have to shoot the prick!

Just think of all the taxpayer money they saved us! I've run into a few of these maniacs that go off their meds. Same thing as a perp on Angel Dust, they seem to have the strength of 5 men! Damn near impossible to control them without superior numbers! 2 on 1 would not have a chance! Chances are he was trying to remove one of their weapons when he caught the bullet. I'll be watching to see the the outcome of their investigation.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2009, 08:16:50 AM »
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Fastcars (36 posts)      Mon Oct-05-09 12:12 AM
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I Was Wrong, Lack of Taser Wasn't The Reason Scott Died
 I added this to the end of the thread I started earlier about a friend that was killed by Bossier City Police after he assaulted a 77 yr old lady during some kind of psychotic episode. The comment was made by someone claiming that his wife was a witness and if true makes me want to puke, I couldn't not start a new thread. If it needs deletion, so be it.
 

Followed by a garbled comment from an 'eyewitness'.

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Fastcars (36 posts)      Mon Oct-05-09 01:02 AM
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But I just have a real hard time imagining that any semi intelligent person wouldn't know they were dealing with someone that was mentally unstable after getting a call about an attack on a 77 year old woman in a Walgreens photo dept.
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Re: What the????
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2009, 08:52:19 AM »
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Fastcars (36 posts)      Mon Oct-05-09 01:02 AM
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But I just have a real hard time imagining that any semi intelligent person wouldn't know they were dealing with someone that was mentally unstable after getting a call about an attack on a 77 year old woman in a Walgreens photo dept.

Is this tool trying to claim that every criminal that attacks an elderly person must have mental problems?  No, they don't most criminals like that are just cowards and prey on the weak.
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