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In a game-changer for the legal fight over same-sex marriage that gives credence to opponents’ “slippery slope” arguments, a federal judge has now ruled that the legal reasoning for same-sex marriage means that laws against polygamy are likewise unconstitutional.

In his 91-page opinion in Brown v. Buhman, on Dec. 13, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups struck down Utah’s law making polygamy a crime. In so doing, he may have opened Pandora’s Box.

As a condition for becoming a state in 1896, Congress required Utah to outlaw polygamy, which is marriage between three or more persons. This case involved a family of fundamentalist offshoots of nineteenth-century Mormonism. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints disavowed polygamy in 1890, and again in 1904, but some splinter groups continue the practice.

Waddoups’ opinion would not only cover such groups, however, but also Muslims or anyone else who claims a right—religious or otherwise—to have multiple-person marriages. He notes that the Supreme Court ruled against polygamy in its 1878 case Reynolds v. U.S., but said he cannot simply rest upon that decision “without seriously addressing the much developed constitutional jurisprudence that now protects individuals from the criminal consequences intended by legislatures to apply to certain personal choices.” ...
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Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 01:59:56 PM »
Once you redefine marriage for one group, you have to redefine it for every group. So now bisexual people get to marry one person of each sex at the same time.
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Re: Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 02:04:35 PM »
Once you redefine marriage for one group, you have to redefine it for every group. So now bisexual people get to marry one person of each sex at the same time.

Or animals. :runaway:
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Re: Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 02:05:00 PM »
Once you redefine marriage for one group, you have to redefine it for every group. So now bisexual people get to marry one person of each sex at the same time.
Might as well throw in relatives and household pets while you're at it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 02:10:27 PM »
Might as well throw in relatives and household pets while you're at it.

May as well, marriage has about much meaning as a Nobel Piece Prize, anyone can get it for no good reason.

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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2013, 05:32:25 PM »
Our slippery slope has become a toboggan run with a speed of 125 MPH. and no one has a crash helmet.

Saving grace for me is at my age I will not live long enough to see the toboggan crash and the replay of the fall of Rome.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2013, 05:33:39 PM »
Our slippery slope has become a toboggan run with a speed of 125 MPH. and no one has a crash helmet.

Saving grace for me is at my age I will not live long enough to see the toboggan crash and the replay of the fall of Rome.

It is going to happen faster than you think.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2013, 07:35:01 PM »
You can be like Solomon and his 1,000 headaches(wives and concubines).

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2013, 07:56:49 PM »
Gosh, nobody could have seen that coming!

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2013, 09:41:04 PM »
Gosh, nobody could have seen that coming!

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Yeah it's as surprising as when we found out you really can't keep your plan if you like your plan.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2013, 12:39:03 PM »
I can only imagine having 40 wives...and they are ALL mad at me at the same time.

Its tough enough with just one spouse, but what if they all divorce me and I gave each one a baby souvenir? The child support will kill me. I'll have to flee the country, and then I'll have a 40 gal network who's favorite movie is Kill Bill.

Screw all of that...well OK: bad analogy. Forget that. I'm investing in robotics.


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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2013, 12:48:11 PM »
I can only imagine having 40 wives...and they are ALL mad at me at the same time.

And they would. When women get in groups, they synchronize their menstrual cycles.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2013, 01:55:46 PM »
And they would. When women get in groups, they synchronize their menstrual cycles.
Oh, there you go, a chance to start a black, all girl, band.......or is that ministerial....or mistral ....or something.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2013, 03:25:04 PM »
Oh, there you go, a chance to start a black, all girl, band.......or is that ministerial....or mistral ....or something.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2013, 03:31:27 PM »
I can't imagine women wanting to share a husband or a home with another wife. 
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2013, 03:39:33 PM »
I can't imagine women wanting to share a husband or a home with another wife. 

When Moose was about 8, he asked me "How many wives do you want to have, Dad?"

I played along: "Two would be good. One to take care of you, and one to take care of me. How many would you have?"

He replied, "I would have three. One to take care of the house, one to take care of me, and one so I'd have more than you!"

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2013, 03:55:36 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2013, 08:22:53 AM »
Well, at least there is some world historical context for it, unlike gay 'marriage.'  I understand, to a point, what's in it for guys (As well as seeing a big downside for us), but damned if I see anything positive in it for the women. 
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2013, 09:46:22 AM »
I have no problem with Polygamy. If some guy is dumb enough to want more than one wife............well, here's yer sign.
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2013, 09:53:35 AM »
I have no problem with Polygamy. If some guy is dumb enough to want more than one wife............well, here's yer sign.
Some guys get off on screwing another mans wife....they would be in hog heaven with more wives to choose from.
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2013, 10:32:56 AM »
Well, at least there is some world historical context for it, unlike gay 'marriage.'  I understand, to a point, what's in it for guys (As well as seeing a big downside for us), but damned if I see anything positive in it for the women. 

From what I've seen, when it works in a situation where it isn't forced, the women gain something from the instant family of sisters it creates for them as well as the extended family of children. I would guess for women with less of a sex drive then average, taking that heat off of them in what they see as a legitimate way is a positive too. For some women I think they probably like the idea of having a large extended family in their old age too that is not exclusive to just the husband, but the 'sister wives' and the children and grandchildren. I would have a problem with the sharing the man part, but I get the sisterhood part since the women share a non sexual obligation to the other 'wives' too in that if the husband were gone tomorrow, there is an expectation of the family staying together as a family which of course relies on the wives sharing some obligation, trust, and love between them that binds them in a family even without the husband and father of the children. 

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2013, 10:40:10 AM »
From what I've seen, when it works in a situation where it isn't forced, the women gain something from the instant family of sisters it creates for them as well as the extended family of children. I would guess for women with less of a sex drive then average, taking that heat off of them in what they see as a legitimate way is a positive too. For some women I think they probably like the idea of having a large extended family in their old age too that is not exclusive to just the husband, but the 'sister wives' and the children and grandchildren. I would have a problem with the sharing the man part, but I get the sisterhood part since the women share a non sexual obligation to the other 'wives' too in that if the husband were gone tomorrow, there is an expectation of the family staying together as a family which of course relies on the wives sharing some obligation, trust, and love between them that binds them in a family even without the husband and father of the children. 
Oh, a group of lesbians....yeah, that'll work out just fine.
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Re: Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2013, 01:46:41 PM »
From what I've seen, when it works in a situation where it isn't forced, the women gain something from the instant family of sisters it creates for them as well as the extended family of children. I would guess for women with less of a sex drive then average, taking that heat off of them in what they see as a legitimate way is a positive too. For some women I think they probably like the idea of having a large extended family in their old age too that is not exclusive to just the husband, but the 'sister wives' and the children and grandchildren. I would have a problem with the sharing the man part, but I get the sisterhood part since the women share a non sexual obligation to the other 'wives' too in that if the husband were gone tomorrow, there is an expectation of the family staying together as a family which of course relies on the wives sharing some obligation, trust, and love between them that binds them in a family even without the husband and father of the children. 

While I can see that somewhat, Arabic and Asian literature is replete with instances of it not working out, especially with the junior wife being oppressed by the elder ones, or the senior one being neglected in favor of the new younger hottie.  In our own cultural context, most of the women who seem to be interested in it seem to be more interested in the man still being the primary breadwinner without the women themselves being professionals outside the home, which spreads the household resources that much thinner than with a couple...though thanks to our bizarre social entitlement system, they may be able to get benefits as single mothers and so artificially (And fraudulently, to my mind) collect a bunch of gubmint money to make up the difference.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2013, 03:02:18 PM »
While I can see that somewhat, Arabic and Asian literature is replete with instances of it not working out, especially with the junior wife being oppressed by the elder ones, or the senior one being neglected in favor of the new younger hottie.  In our own cultural context, most of the women who seem to be interested in it seem to be more interested in the man still being the primary breadwinner without the women themselves being professionals outside the home, which spreads the household resources that much thinner than with a couple...though thanks to our bizarre social entitlement system, they may be able to get benefits as single mothers and so artificially (And fraudulently, to my mind) collect a bunch of gubmint money to make up the difference.

That was exactly the issue with Tom Green, a member of the fundamental "sect" of the LDS church (officially denounced and not recognized by the mainstream LDS church).

While the mainstream LDS church officially renounced polygamy/polygyny as a condition to Statehood back in 1896, the fundamental portion of the church never really went with that flow. As a result, polygyny still is practiced by the more fundamental sects, which are scattered in the western U.S. to include towns like Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, AZ. They're also up in British Columbia.

More to the point, the case of Tom Green was predicated on bigamy (he was quite loud about his multiple wives), child rape, and money extracted from the state in the form of welfare. He did not work. This was a guy who had 5-6 wives and something like 29 kids and relied on his "wives" filing for single mother welfare. He was eventually tried and convicted of 4 counts of bigamy and one count of failure to pay child support, and one count of child rape.

So besides the cultural issues, the state of Utah (in this case) is forced to look at the fraud part of polygyny, not to mention the child rape thing as well.
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Re: Judge Cites Same-Sex Marriage in Declaring Polygamy Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2013, 03:26:33 PM »
Oh, a group of lesbians....yeah, that'll work out just fine.

You don't know an awful lot about women if you don't understand emotional relationships between  them. I have friends who are like sisters to me and I could see myself living with on a daily basis. I have no interest in them sexually.


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