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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2013, 04:11:36 AM »
Yeah, bullshit.  Easier said than done when it's the training cadre, a platoon sergeant, the first shirt, colonel, or general doing it, and I've seen all of those get stupid about it.

Isolated incidents don't mean everyone in the military is doing it.

I've been in for way more than a minute in all kinds of areas and not once has anyone even tried to Proselytize to me...including a Brigade chaplain ordained by the Church of the Nazarene who I worked with on a daily basis.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2013, 08:43:46 AM »
Isolated incidents don't mean everyone in the military is doing it.

Nobody said every Christian in the military was getting court-martialed either, but some folks here don't seem to be able to think that one through.

FWIW I've known several chaplains over the years, a couple of really great ones and a couple of terrible ones among them, none of them proselytized because they know better than that (One of the terrible ones was big on slandering other sects, but even that nutcase wasn't out proselytizing the troops).  Based on my own experiences, I think the problem they were trying to address is laymen in leadership positions whose religious zeal gets the better of their judgment.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2013, 08:56:12 AM »
When will swearing on the Bible be removed from courtrooms.   Did anyone notice if Obama took his Oath on the Koran or Bible ???

Brings to mind that watching Court TV I cannot remember seeing any wittiness sworn in by any means.
Not even affirming they will tell the truth or breaking a plate.    

The only swearing in on a Bible I can remember is the picture taken aboard  Air Force One with Jackie covered in blood and LBJ being sworn in on the spot.    

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2013, 09:07:57 AM »

Old Perry Mason episodes on TVLand notwithstanding, vesta, I swore in hundreds of people in court hearings (Military, civilian criminal, civilian civil, and administrative), over about thirty years and attended many other trials and hearings, even testified at a handful as well.  While there was generally a Bible in the room, I never saw anyone actually use one for swearing in a witness.   
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2013, 12:04:09 PM »
I often think about what I'm going to do. Obviously if I know someone is going to go out on a patrol I'm going to talk to them, but if they don't want to hear the Gospel I'm not going to curse them and throw my arms up and preach doom to them. I'll simply say something like "don't wait" or "let the Lord guide you" something to encourage them. Basically what I do now.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2013, 01:43:51 PM »
I really have come to dislike the behavior of some Christians. They always want to apply their religious balm to everything. It confuses people and diverts them from the real issue. In my considered opinion the real issue here is something called the ENLISTMENT/REENLISTMENT DOCUMENT ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES.

If you are going to sign it you had better make sure you know what it say's. It gives the military complete control over your life, period. I am tired of these whiny ass soldiers who insist on crusading for their "rights" while on active duty. The only rights you have are what the military allows you to have. If you don't like it then get out and do your crusading elsewhere.

This moron Weinstein should be on the receiving end of a good old fashioned ass kicking. He is only lining his pockets and he is hurting the military.




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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2013, 02:08:18 PM »
Yeah, bullshit.  Easier said than done when it's the training cadre, a platoon sergeant, the first shirt, colonel, or general doing it, and I've seen all of those get stupid about it.

Whom has it ever harmed?  OK, so it might be annoying, but it does no legitimate harm.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2013, 06:28:25 PM »
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  The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith

Sounds like it covers a wide range, would "God bless you" be an offense.  :shrug:
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2013, 08:46:07 PM »
Whom has it ever harmed?  OK, so it might be annoying, but it does no legitimate harm.

You obviously just don't get the compulsion aspect to it and the inherent corrosion of leadership integrity and impartiality, which is a problem whether the leader's pet rock is a religion, private organization membership, political affiliation, or any other thing that has no relevance to military mission or duties.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2013, 06:31:38 AM »
You obviously just don't get the compulsion aspect to it and the inherent corrosion of leadership integrity and impartiality, which is a problem whether the leader's pet rock is a religion, private organization membership, political affiliation, or any other thing that has no relevance to military mission or duties.

I am not talking about those in leadership positions.  I was thinking more along the lines of the average soldier just sharing his faith with his fellow soldiers.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2013, 10:07:25 AM »
You obviously just don't get the compulsion aspect to it and the inherent corrosion of leadership integrity and impartiality, which is a problem whether the leader's pet rock is a religion, private organization membership, political affiliation, or any other thing that has no relevance to military mission or duties.

You mean like those seemingly never-ending membership drives for AUSA, 82nd Airborne Association (insert other divisions here), etc., that we have to actually REPORT membership numbers?

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2013, 12:57:14 PM »
Luckily for us, 68% of the military is made up of Christian, God-fearing, Good Ole' Boys from the Deep South.  I was part of it for a decade in the US Army and nothing comforted me more than knowing that most of my cohorts, most of which had a funny southern accent, had learned to shoot by the ripe old age of six and always spoke their minds, regardless of political affiliation.  They are still some of my best friends in the world.  Referred to me as BillyYank or New York.  Try court-martialing 68% of the military...I dare you.  Grits is still the most popular breakfast side dish in the mess hall.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2013, 01:19:40 PM »
Luckily for us, 68% of the military is made up of Christian, God-fearing, Good Ole' Boys from the Deep South.  I was part of it for a decade in the US Army and nothing comforted me more than knowing that most of my cohorts, most of which had a funny southern accent, had learned to shoot by the ripe old age of six and always spoke their minds, regardless of political affiliation.  They are still some of my best friends in the world.  Referred to me as BillyYank or New York.  Try court-martialing 68% of the military...I dare you.  Grits is still the most popular breakfast side dish in the mess hall.

Funny I feel the same way.

About half the Marines I served with were from the North East and the other half from the deep south. I was born and raised in Pennsylvania but felt more comfortable with the southern boys, in fact felt more at home IN the south.........I still order grits for breakfast.  :-)
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2013, 02:55:24 PM »
 Weinstein.....sounds Jewish......so blame it on the joooooos.
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