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PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH

by KEN KLUKOWSKI  1 May 2013

The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.
 
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.
 
(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 10:56:21 PM »
A sad day indeed if this means what I think it does.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 11:02:01 PM »
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2013/05/no-ban-on-military-evangelism-despite-conservative-fears.html

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. all service members are free to exercise their constitutional right to practice their religion in a manner that is respectful of other individuals’ rights to follow their own belief systems; and in ways that are conducive to good order and discipline; and that do not detract from accomplishing the military mission.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 04:37:34 AM »
This essentially outlaws military chaplains too.

The military puts men and women in life and death situations. Faith is a very real thing for these soldiers. This is just another example of democrat intolerance.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 05:56:19 AM »
What do they call this ... the Anti-Christ regulation?

I guess this is the new "don't ask, don't tell".
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 07:06:39 AM »
This is scary, especially for me.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 05:56:22 AM »
Since when does a member of the military have constitutional rights??
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 07:03:44 AM »
There was a time when I would have thought a story like this was satire.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 07:31:32 AM »
There was a time when I would have thought a story like this was satire.

I know exactly what you mean.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 08:34:00 AM »
General Eisenhower's D-Day speech:

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Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle hardened, he will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man to man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our home fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to victory!

I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full victory!

Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessings of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 09:00:48 AM »
What do they call this ... the Anti-Christ regulation?

I guess this is the new "don't ask, don't tell".
Sure sounds like it.  The First Amendment reversed.  There is no good thing government can't destroy.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 11:04:07 AM »
This essentially outlaws military chaplains too.


what about imams and whatever the grand poobah is for wiccins? are they outlawed too or do they get a free pass?
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 11:16:04 AM »
They will get a free pass. Obama wants a military without a conscience so they will only obey HIM. Lord O simply is not comfortable with a military that swears to defend the constitution.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2013, 11:52:04 AM »
What do they call this ... the Anti-Christ regulation?

I guess this is the new "don't ask, don't tell".

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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2013, 11:59:58 AM »
what about imams and whatever the grand poobah is for wiccins? are they outlawed too or do they get a free pass?


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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2013, 12:32:21 PM »
Now the DOD is denying this.  :???:
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2013, 12:35:03 PM »
Update...if you want to believe it...
http://thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/15299-pentagon-changes-mind-says-soldiers-can-share-faith
Saturday, 04 May 2013 12:00
Pentagon Changes Mind, Says Soldiers Can Share Faith
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Following an uproar over a Defense Department statement saying that military personnel could be court-martialed for sharing their faith, the Pentagon has backed down on that position and now says soldiers are free to proselytize, as long as they don't harass others. “Service members can share their faith,” clarified Navy Lieutenant Commander Nate Christensen in a statement, “but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one's beliefs.”

Earlier the Defense Department had released an alarming statement saying: “Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense.... Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis.” That statement appeared to come as the result of an April 24 meeting between military officials and Mikey Weinstein of the atheist group Military Religious Freedom Foundation, in which Weinstein pressured Air Force officials to enforce a policy that supposedly bans Air Force personnel from openly expressing their religious faith. The Defense Department has reportedly turned to Weinstein's group to hammer out policies on religious expression in the military.

Weinstein has gained notoriety for his aggressive campaign to sanitize the military of overt faith expressions by service members. He told Fox News that “until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.” Weinstein was referring to examples of supposed religious persecution within the ranks, and said that his group “would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

The outcry from chaplains and religious leaders over Weinstein's rhetoric prompted the Defense Department to issue its updated statement backing down from implying that service members might be targeted for sharing their faith. According to Charisma News, the clarification came after the conservative legal advocacy group Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking a clarification from the Defense Department on the issue.

“Members of our military should not be denied the very freedoms they fight to defend,” explained ADF Legal Counsel Joseph La Rue. “Freedom of religion and speech are paramount among those freedoms.”

La Rue noted that since there is little evidence of a crisis concerning overt religious proselytizing in the military, “we are still troubled over what motivated the original comments” from the Pentagon. He added that his group is seeking “to ensure that the Pentagon does not deny members of the armed services the basic freedoms that the Constitution guarantees all Americans.”

In his updated statement Lieutenant Commander Christensen insisted that the Defense Department “has never and will never single out a particular religious group for persecution or prosecution. The Department makes reasonable accommodations for all religions and celebrates the religious diversity of our service members.” He added that “when religious harassment complaints are reported, commanders take action based on the gravity of the occurrence on a case by case basis.” He did not elaborate on the actions that might be taken, but the previous Defense Department statement seemed to indicate that penalties could range from non-judicial punishment to a full court-martial.

In an e-mail Christensen explained that the Defense Department would work “to ensure that all service members are free to exercise their constitutional right to practice their religion — in a manner that is respectful of other individuals’ rights to follow their own belief systems; and in ways that are conducive to good order and discipline; and that do not detract from accomplishing the military mission.”

Nonetheless, at least one veteran military leader is concerned about a crackdown on religious expression among service members. Speaking at a gathering on Capitol Hill during the May 2 National Day of Prayer, Rear Admiral William Lee of the U.S. Coast Guard said he is convinced that there is an increasing effort to shut down expressions of faith throughout the military. “As one general so aptly put it,” Lee told his audience, “they expect us to check our religion in at the door — don’t bring that here. Leaders like myself are feeling the constraints of rules and regulations and guidance issued by lawyers that put us in a tighter and tighter box regarding our constitutional right to express our religious faith.”

Lee recalled that in 2012 there were a record high number of 349 military suicides, and recalled the story of a young soldier who had attempted suicide but survived. “When I looked at that young man and heard his story, the rules say, 'Send him to the chaplain,’” Lee said. But “my heart said, 'give this man a Bible.'”

The retired admiral pointed out that under changing military policy giving a soldier a Bible would be potentially punishable. He expressed his shock that an officer could now be reprimanded for “as much as whispering to a young man who is on his last hope — that there is hope. That I can just simply whisper, ‘here is the answer – take it home – I’ll talk about it if you want to.’”

He noted that “the lawyers tell me that if I do that, I’m crossing the line,” but added that “I’m glad I’ve crossed the line so many times.”

Don't believe this for a minute. Weinstein is still in charge. The policy only changed because the light of day was shone upon it. These policies will only go underground from here. Obama is out to destroy the military and remake it in his image. The evil will only increase from here on out.

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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2013, 12:45:07 PM »
Update...if you want to believe it...
http://thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/15299-pentagon-changes-mind-says-soldiers-can-share-faith
Saturday, 04 May 2013 12:00
Pentagon Changes Mind, Says Soldiers Can Share Faith
Don't believe this for a minute. Weinstein is still in charge. The policy only changed because the light of day was shone upon it. These policies will only go underground from here. Obama is out to destroy the military and remake it in his image. The evil will only increase from here on out.

I think it's obvious what they are doing.  The military is the only thing standing in their way of totally "transforming" the country.  They don't want conservative patriots in the military, only like minded useful idiots.



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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2013, 01:24:27 PM »
what about imams and whatever the grand poobah is for wiccins? are they outlawed too or do they get a free pass?
It has to be real before it's a faith, so only Christianity is targeted.  Mikey Weinstein made that very clear.
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Re: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2013, 02:03:08 PM »
It's not the beliefs, it's the the proselytizing that's the issue.  Of course by the same token they should be taking every other proselytizing religion to task, but they aren't.
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2013, 04:19:56 PM »
Oh Bite my ASS.

Proselytizing never hurt anyone.  All you have to do is walk away from one that is doing it if it offends you.



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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2013, 06:48:21 PM »
Republicans will protect the military and fight this tooth and nail.......go along with everything liberals want.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2013, 07:45:03 PM »
Yup.....Gays and Transvestites come out of the closet and Christianity goes into the closet.   :mad:

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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2013, 09:58:48 PM »
Oh Bite my ASS.

Proselytizing never hurt anyone.  All you have to do is walk away from one that is doing it if it offends you.





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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2013, 04:04:00 AM »
I think it's obvious what they are doing.  The military is the only thing standing in their way of totally "transforming" the country.  They don't want conservative patriots in the military, only like minded useful idiots.

And that is why this administration has been doing everything it can since it took power to break the morale and spirit of the U.S. Military.
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