The views of an Independent

[Kryder]

Hey everyone,
I'm an independent - socially liberal/moderate, and economically conservative.  I'm from Miami, FL, and as a token white guy, I was actually a minority as far as demographics are concerned.  There was some reverse racism, despite that I speak fluent Spanish, but that's another issue I'll get into later.  

I find myself resonating with a lot of the same doctrine that Republicans believe in.  I'm an accountant, so I spend literally my entire day mitigating tax liability for corporations and individuals so that they have more cash to spend funding projects, which ultimately lead to jobs.  This makes it difficult to be progressive because I see day in day out what taxes do.  Currently, most of my clients are reluctant to fund projects and expand because of the situation in Washington - they feel that due to prospect that their taxes will increase, they're hoarding cash, and a lot of it.  Looking at the figures, in the US, 1.8 trillion dollars in Cash are not being spent due to this fear.  This doesn't include what small businesses are incurring,

Couple with the fact that the conversion to IFRS in 2014 is going to cause companies to have to switch to a different inventory valuation method, it's  going to cause an acceleration of deferred tax payments (IFRS uses FIFO).  To put that in layman's terms, as a result of even more tax liability, huge cash outflows are going to cause the valuation of US corporations to drop significantly.  

That's the reason I come to this board.. Because as an Independent, I read over a lot of the content on these boards, and to be honest, I get a little turned off by the hate speech.  Yes, I recognize that the things that Obama has accomplished could have been done by any president with 2 party controlled houses, and I also recognize that the US is not going to be saved by Government Infrastructure.  The truth is that the US is the greatest country to ever grace this planet, and it was due to us being clever business people, who knew how to take ingenuity and turn it into enterprise.  There needs to be changes in the IRS code to make it favorable tax wise for Corporations to bring their money back, and with the current administration, that's not going to happen.  But the facts are that the mainstream perception of the Right-Wing, is that they are angry, white rascists.  Just saying.

Thanks for your time,
Sean.

[FreeBorn]

Welcome to the Cave (feel free to stop by the introductions thread and say "Hi").

There is no such thing as "reverse racism" any more than there is "reverse murder". Preposterous, racism is racism and that's all there is too it.

To use the leftist term "reverse racism" is to paint yourself as the guilty party and assign victim status to the perpetrator because they are not white. It is as ridiculous as referring to illegal aliens as "undocumented workers".

If you are stabbed by a mugger is that person an "unlicensed surgeon"?

[Kryder]

I completely understand what you mean... But in all that I wrote about how Republic Economic policy could help save American jobs, you took one sentence and used it to describe how whites will use it to mitigate what they're really trying to say?

[Ballygrl]

But the facts are that the mainstream perception of the Right-Wing, is that they are angry, white rascists. Just saying.

Thanks for your time,
Sean.

Who's perpetuating those beliefs? I'd love to see examples of Republicans espousing angry racist beliefs.

[FreeBorn]

Welcome to the Cave (feel free to stop by the introductions thread and say "Hi").

Protocol isn't everything but it's nice to observe. Pardon me for not presently pursuing this thread further as I like to be a bit more acquainted with our new arrivals before just jumping right in with them in conversation like we were old pals.

No offense, I'm just a wee bit old fashioned and was raised to exercise common courtesy. 

[formerlurker]

Welcome Sean!   I am a moderate also -- I am conservative on budget issues, foreign policy and national defense.  The rest of it doesn't even hover on my political radar, so because I don't beat the social conservative drum, I am considered by the "real conservatives" to be a RINO. No worries or lost sleep over that.   I hope you stick around for a while.

[Kryder]

Who's perpetuating those beliefs? I'd love to see examples of Republicans espousing angry racist beliefs.

http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/03/racism_is_still_the_republican.php

I think they spit at a House Democrat and called him a what?

[formerlurker]

http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/03/racism_is_still_the_republican.php

I think they spit at a House Democrat and called him a what?

Ok, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but give it up -- DU misfit who never made the top ten so you got some bitter tender hurt feelings going on?

[Kryder]

No.  I was just asked to give an example as to when Republicans had been racist. 

In illustrating that, you don't need to get defensive, I understand it goes both ways.  When they announced Obama won in 2008, there were Jamaican Blacks celebrating in the streets by where I lived while I was jogging, and since I voted for Obama (I drank the kool-aid too), I gave them a gesture that would indicate I was happy at the outcome... They all got quiet and gave me this look like they were confused at why I would be happy.  It was as if they thought it was a victory only for Blacks. 

It's ironic because in voting trends in the past, Jamaicans are hard-line conservatives, and had only voted Republican in the district where they predominately are registered in Miami. 

Regardless, I'm not pointing a finger, and to be honest, my ultimate intent was just to say that Republicans would have a far larger base if they stuck to promoting their economic/tax policies instead of using rhetoric that alienates minorities.  Are you going to honestly tell me if I read through this board I wouldn't find a slew of racially charged remarks about welfare recipients, immigrants, and the President?

[ExGeeEye]

 

[FreeBorn]

No.  I was just asked to give an example as to when Republicans had been racist. 

In illustrating that, you don't need to get defensive, I understand it goes both ways.  When they announced Obama won in 2008, there were Jamaican Blacks celebrating in the streets by where I lived while I was jogging, and since I voted for Obama (I drank the kool-aid too), I gave them a gesture that would indicate I was happy at the outcome... They all got quiet and gave me this look like they were confused at why I would be happy.  It was as if they thought it was a victory only for Blacks. 

It's ironic because in voting trends in the past, Jamaicans are hard-line conservatives, and had only voted Republican in the district where they predominately are registered in Miami. 

Regardless, I'm not pointing a finger, and to be honest, my ultimate intent was just to say that Republicans would have a far larger base if they stuck to promoting their economic/tax policies instead of using rhetoric that alienates minorities.  Are you going to honestly tell me if I read through this board I wouldn't find a slew of racially charged remarks about welfare recipients, immigrants, and the President?

Perhaps you might like to read up on one black man's take on Obama~

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39629

Oh, and BTW, it is customary when newly joining an internet forum community to make one's first post in the introduction thread. Nobody likes an ignorant bitch.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da7WngiLdDQ[/youtube]

[formerlurker]

No.  I was just asked to give an example as to when Republicans had been racist. 

Your assertion:

But the facts are that the mainstream perception of the Right-Wing, is that they are angry, white rascists. Just saying.

Your mainstream example?   Huffington post?   oh really.

http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/03/racism_is_still_the_republican.php

I think they spit at a House Democrat and called him a what?

In illustrating that, you don't need to get defensive, I understand it goes both ways.  When they announced Obama won in 2008, there were Jamaican Blacks celebrating in the streets by where I lived while I was jogging, and since I voted for Obama (I drank the kool-aid too), I gave them a gesture that would indicate I was happy at the outcome... They all got quiet and gave me this look like they were confused at why I would be happy.  It was as if they thought it was a victory only for Blacks. 

Fiscal conservative that drank the kool-aid?   how the hell does that work?

It's ironic because in voting trends in the past, Jamaicans are hard-line conservatives, and had only voted Republican in the district where they predominately are registered in Miami.

 

I will need a link for that one.

Regardless, I'm not pointing a finger, and to be honest, my ultimate intent was just to say that Republicans would have a far larger base if they stuck to promoting their economic/tax policies instead of using rhetoric that alienates minorities.  Are you going to honestly tell me if I read through this board I wouldn't find a slew of racially charged remarks about welfare recipients, immigrants, and the President?

Go for it.

[Delmar]

http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/03/racism_is_still_the_republican.php

I think they spit at a House Democrat and called him a what?

Kill the Bill was what the people were shouting.  No video proof of any racial epithets has ever surfaced.  The guy that made the spitting claim ended up admitting that it wasn't intentional spitting, just a little spray from a guy in the heat of the moment yelling at him.  You are wrong about the mainstream perception of conservatives being that they're angry white racists.  That is only the perception of the lefty fringe that dominates the old time media.

[NHSparky]

Noob--I suggest you look at the history of the Democrat party, going back to pre-Civil War days, and continuing to the oh, 1960's or so.

Then come back and tell us Republicans are racists.

[Kryder]

Yes, you're right, the majority of Democrats were racist, until Johnson, a Democratic president allowed the Civil rights movement, and all the Southern Democrats became Republicans.  Lol. 

http://www.vernonjohns.org/rosemary1246/repubs.html

Come on now, had to call me a noob?

[Eupher]

But the facts are that the mainstream perception of the Right-Wing, is that they are angry, white rascists.  Just saying.

I think what you mean is the mainstream perception of liberals is the Right Wing is comprised of angry, white racists.

If that is your meaning, I'd actually agree with you.

I am a musician by trade and education, and I have association with many music educators (one of them being my wife) who are decidedly liberal. To a man/woman they have all drunk the Kool-Aid and insist that the Right-Wing is full of racists.

I heard it just yesterday, in fact.

Come on over to the mainstream of America, those who reject the liberal Kool-Aid, and you'll likely find a lot of anger, but you won't find racism. You'll find outrage as to the cold, callous rejection of the attitudes and beliefs of mainstream America in favor of the liberal, socialist, narcissistic intentions and desires of Obama and his minions.

[Delmar]

Yes, you're right, the majority of Democrats were racist, until Johnson, a Democratic president allowed the Civil rights movement, and all the Southern Democrats became Republicans.  Lol. 

http://www.vernonjohns.org/rosemary1246/repubs.html

Come on now, had to call me a noob?

Republicans like Senator Robert Byrd?

[NHSparky]

Yes, you're right, the majority of Democrats were racist, until Johnson, a Democratic president allowed the Civil rights movement, and all the Southern Democrats became Republicans.  Lol. 

http://www.vernonjohns.org/rosemary1246/repubs.html

Come on now, had to call me a noob?

Not even close, noob.  Did Grand Kleagle "Sheets" Byrd become a Republican?  How about Al Gore Sr.?  William Fulbright, whom Bill Clinton called, "My mentor" and who actually INTERNED for Fulbright in 1966/67 while the Senator was still very much a segregationist?

And how about LBJ?  He who bragged that, "I'll have those N****RS voting Democrat for the next hundred years?"

No, dear boy, the only reason the Democrats give a rat's ass about minorities is that they give them the barest of subsistence via the welfare teat, and tell them that if they don't vote Democrat, them mean ol' racist Republicans gonna take all dat suga teat away from dem, dat's whut!  

Slavery is still alive and well, noob--it's just enforced by people who put their own chains on via a ballot box.

And pray tell, why is it when there's a black conservative, he's called, "Oreo", "Uncle Tom", etc?  Or a conservative Hispanic labeled as "coconut" (brown on the outside, white on the inside?)

So yeah, you're gonna get called a noob when you come in here and shit on the carpet.  Granted, you did it a little more nicely than most, but you still shit on the carpet.  Don't get all butt-hurt when we rub your nose in it a bit.

[formerlurker]

Yes, you're right, the majority of Democrats were racist, until Johnson, a Democratic president allowed the Civil rights movement, and all the Southern Democrats became Republicans.  Lol. 

http://www.vernonjohns.org/rosemary1246/repubs.html

Come on now, had to call me a noob?

Dude, you are either doing an incredibly piss poor job vetting your sources, or you need to do some self-reflection on your "I'm an indepedent" announcement.  

From your source:

So Sorry Republicans, Obama is Already One of the Great Presidents of the United States of America
 
Early in his presidency, the Republican Party declared that they would not work with Barack Obama on anything (which seems to me racist even of itself).  Even when Obama borrows an idea from the conservatives, the Republicans automatically condemn Obama.  They want Obama's presidency to fail, but they have completely failed.  Even if Obama doesn't get anything done after the passage of the Health Reform bill, he has already done something so stupendous that Obama is already one of our greatest presidents.  He's up there with Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Lyndon Baines Johnson.   He accomplished something that men of good will have been trying to accomplish for 100 years.  Obama and the Democrats succeeded in spite of the racism and hatred of the Republican Party and its associated fascist tea parties.

http://www.vernonjohns.org/obama%20is%20already%20one%20of%20the%20greats.html

We aren't in the market for crazy these days.

[FreeBorn]

I think what you mean is the mainstream perception of liberals is the Right Wing is comprised of angry, white racists.

If that is your meaning, I'd actually agree with you.

I am a musician by trade and education, and I have association with many music educators (one of them being my wife) who are decidedly liberal. To a man/woman they have all drunk the Kool-Aid and insist that the Right-Wing is full of racists.

I heard it just yesterday, in fact.

Come on over to the mainstream of America, those who reject the liberal Kool-Aid, and you'll likely find a lot of anger, but you won't find racism. You'll find outrage as to the cold, callous rejection of the attitudes and beliefs of mainstream America in favor of the liberal, socialist, narcissistic intentions and desires of Obama and his minions.

Well said. ^5!

[FreeBorn]

Not even close, noob.  Did Grand Kleagle "Sheets" Byrd become a Republican?  How about Al Gore Sr.?  William Fulbright, whom Bill Clinton called, "My mentor" and who actually INTERNED for Fulbright in 1966/67 while the Senator was still very much a segregationist?

And how about LBJ?  He who bragged that, "I'll have those N****RS voting Democrat for the next hundred years?"

No, dear boy, the only reason the Democrats give a rat's ass about minorities is that they give them the barest of subsistence via the welfare teat, and tell them that if they don't vote Democrat, them mean ol' racist Republicans gonna take all dat suga teat away from dem, dat's whut!  

Slavery is still alive and well, noob--it's just enforced by people who put their own chains on via a ballot box.

And pray tell, why is it when there's a black conservative, he's called, "Oreo", "Uncle Tom", etc?  Or a conservative Hispanic labeled as "coconut" (brown on the outside, white on the inside?)

So yeah, you're gonna get called a noob when you come in here and shit on the carpet.  Granted, you did it a little more nicely than most, but you still shit on the carpet.  Don't get all butt-hurt when we rub your nose in it a bit.

Sparky your eloquence is pure poetry in commotion. ^5!

[NHSparky]

And sorry, when you're using Vernon Johns as a source?  That site is like Lew Rockwell...it'll rot your brain.

Lots of nice links to good communist writings, tho.

[Kryder]

Not even close, noob.  Did Grand Kleagle "Sheets" Byrd become a Republican?  How about Al Gore Sr.?  William Fulbright, whom Bill Clinton called, "My mentor" and who actually INTERNED for Fulbright in 1966/67 while the Senator was still very much a segregationist?

And how about LBJ?  He who bragged that, "I'll have those N****RS voting Democrat for the next hundred years?"

No, dear boy, the only reason the Democrats give a rat's ass about minorities is that they give them the barest of subsistence via the welfare teat, and tell them that if they don't vote Democrat, them mean ol' racist Republicans gonna take all dat suga teat away from dem, dat's whut!  

Slavery is still alive and well, noob--it's just enforced by people who put their own chains on via a ballot box.

And pray tell, why is it when there's a black conservative, he's called, "Oreo", "Uncle Tom", etc?  Or a conservative Hispanic labeled as "coconut" (brown on the outside, white on the inside?)

So yeah, you're gonna get called a noob when you come in here and shit on the carpet.  Granted, you did it a little more nicely than most, but you still shit on the carpet.  Don't get all butt-hurt when we rub your nose in it a bit.

Wow... You're right Sparky, Republicans aren't racist... lol.

[DefiantSix]

Wow... You're right Sparky, Republicans aren't racist... lol.

We're still waiting for you to show evidence that Republicans ARE racist, n00b.  C'mon; you didn't just pull the assertion out of your backside, didja?  You have to have seen SOMETHING that made you stop and say, "Wow; those republicans are sure RACISTS".

The mike is all yours, sweetie.

[NHSparky]

Wow... You're right Sparky, Republicans aren't racist... lol.

Okay noob...I'll play your cherry picking game? Are there individuals who are racists and claim to be Republicans? Without a doubt they exist in a nation of 300 million.

Now how bout you put on your big girl panties and admit that for the past century and a half plus, it's the Democrats who have and in many ways still do practice INSTITUTIONALIZED racism both in fact and as policy? Care to have a discussion on that one, noob?  I know you're what is commonly referred to as a, " skull full of mush", and you're not nearly as smart as you think you are. Sit back and learn a bit.