Fox News: Jared Loughner’s Former Girlfriend Says He’s “Faking” Insanity

[cavegal]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-jared-loughners-former-girlfriend-says-hes-faking-insanity/

Fox News was able to interview a former girlfriend of Jared Loughner, the man awaiting trial for the weekend’s shooting outside a Tuscon, Arizona Safeway which left six people dead and Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords with a gunshot wound to the head. She shed some light on the background of one of the most talked about men in the country, and offered some information that seemed to be at odds with other things we’re learning and speculating about the 22-year-old

So she doesn't this he is mentaly ill, not even the shooting of 20 people hmmm they ought to check her out too.

[Eupher]

I'm no shrink, but I do believe that the shrinks have some fairly definitive tests to determine whether or not Loughner is faking it.

He will most certainly be examined as a part of the trial runup. Most likely several times by several different shrinks.

[DefiantSix]

I'm no shrink, but I do believe that the shrinks have some fairly definitive tests to determine whether or not Loughner is faking it.

He will most certainly be examined as a part of the trial runup. Most likely several times by several different shrinks.

The prosecutor's, the defense attorney's, the court ordered evaluator... 

[Airwolf]

Well I can only say this, She's no expert on sanity so we should wait till the Doctors have their say.

[Chris_]

It's no secret that the results of long-term drug use (especially hallucinogenic drugs) mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia.  I doubt this kid was genuinely disturbed before he started dumping illegal chemicals and substances into his system.  If he was as into drugs as his acquaintances and former friends have let on, I don't think an insanity defense should even be remotely possible.  I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt where mental illness is concerned.  I think he poisoned his own mind and convinced himself that the powers that be in the state of Arizona were out to get him and this was the result.

[Ptarmigan]

It's no secret that the results of long-term drug use (especially hallucinogenic drugs) mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia.  I doubt this kid was genuinely disturbed before he started dumping illegal chemicals and substances into his system.  If he was as into drugs as his acquaintances and former friends have let on, I don't think an insanity defense should even be remotely possible.  I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt where mental illness is concerned.  I think he poisoned his own mind and convinced himself that the powers that be in the state of Arizona were out to get him and this was the result.

Substance abuse does often mimic mental illness like schizophrenia, especially with hallucinogenic drugs. LSD can cause hallucinogens years later. I am no shrink and I thought Loughner might be schizoid and schizotypal personality disorder. The symptoms resemble schizophrenia. Schizoid is chracterized by solitary lifestyle, secretiveness, and emotional coldness, while schizotypal is characterized by need for social isolation, odd behavior and thinking, and often unconventional beliefs. They are psychotic. Loughner clearly had weird beliefs and odd behavior.
 
Schizoid Personality Disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder

Schizotypal Personality Disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder

Dylan Klebold is thought to be schizoid and schizotypal.
http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/criminal-profiling/Columbine_Dylan-Klebold-profile.html

[Chris_]

It doesn't even take years.... months, weeks even.  I'm not naive when it comes to drugs -- I've done my share.  I think this kid went overboard with the acid, peyote, and weed and he couldn't handle it.  Whatever mind he had, I think he wasted and developed an obsession with Giffords after meeting her and getting an unsatisfactory answer about some ridiculous minutiae his neurotic mind locked on to after months of drug use.

[Ptarmigan]

It doesn't even take years.... months, weeks even.  I'm not naive when it comes to drugs -- I've done my share.  I think this kid went overboard with the acid, peyote, and weed and he couldn't handle it.  Whatever mind he had, I think he wasted and developed an obsession with Giffords after meeting her and getting an unsatisfactory answer about some ridiculous minutiae his neurotic mind locked on to after months of drug use.

LSD is a potent drug. Paranoid people often harbor grudges and can be violent. We are all paranoid to some degree. For some, it drives them to madness and consumes them like a wildfire.

[Chris_]

The gibberish and rambling obsession with grammar puts me in the mind of someone who's taken way too much LSD, smokes pot on a regular basis, and has managed to focus on a single facet of contemporary life to vent brain cells and neurons upon.  Synthetic and organic psychoactive drugs combined with "unfavorable" environmental stimulus can have an extreme effect on a persons' psyche and mental well-being.  I don't know how recently he was in school relative to the shootings, but trying to carry on some semblance of a normal life with it's requisite responsibilities does NOT mix well with random drug use. 

[Ptarmigan]

The gibberish and rambling obsession with grammar puts me in the mind of someone who's taken way too much LSD, smokes pot on a regular basis, and has managed to focus on a single facet of contemporary life to vent brain cells and neurons upon.  Synthetic and organic psychoactive drugs combined with "unfavorable" environmental stimulus can have an extreme effect on a persons' psyche and mental well-being.  I don't know how recently he was in school relative to the shootings, but trying to carry on some semblance of a normal life with it's requisite responsibilities does NOT mix well with random drug use.  

He was in the Pima Community College System since 2005. He was kicked out for the semester in September 2010. I notice he had a sense of entitlement when it came to free speech, etc., which may suggest narcissism.

Disturbing new details released by Pima Community College about Loughner's history at school
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/new-disturbing-details-released-by-pima-community-college-about-loughner's-history-at-school

Jared Loughner kicked out of career center for unusual behavior
http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13841249

[littlelamb]

There is something wrong with him that is for sure

[Chris_]

There is something wrong with him that is for sure

That much is obvious.  Do I think he deserves to plead insanity?  Absolutely not.

[DefiantSix]

There is something wrong with him that is for sure

Nothing 230 grains of copper and lead behind the ear can't cure.

[Ballygrl]

It's no secret that the results of long-term drug use (especially hallucinogenic drugs) mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia.  I doubt this kid was genuinely disturbed before he started dumping illegal chemicals and substances into his system.  If he was as into drugs as his acquaintances and former friends have let on, I don't think an insanity defense should even be remotely possible.  I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt where mental illness is concerned.  I think he poisoned his own mind and convinced himself that the powers that be in the state of Arizona were out to get him and this was the result.

Michael Savage was talking about this the other night, he said this guy was a user of the herb "Salvia" and Michael cited some statistics about Salvia that were terrifying, he said the hallucinogenic effects of it that were reported by people in the study said it was much greater than other illegal drugs out there, and these people reported never having an effect as severe as that ever.

[NHSparky]

Well I can only say this, She's no expert on sanity so we should wait till the Doctors have their say.

She certainly seems to be less-than-acquainted with the subject of sanity.

Oh, and the insanity defense isn't going to fly, considering there was premeditation and evidence he KNEW what he was doing was wrong.  There goes that theory.

[Ptarmigan]

She certainly seems to be less-than-acquainted with the subject of sanity.

Oh, and the insanity defense isn't going to fly, considering there was premeditation and evidence he KNEW what he was doing was wrong.  There goes that theory.

It is hard to prove insanity, especially after John Hinckley. Hinckley was a narcissist and womanizer. Jared Loughner will likely end up in the Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado and be sharing it with Terry Nichols, Ramzi Yousef, Theodore Kaczynski, Robert Hanssen, and Zacarias Moussaoui.

Feds Say Reagan Shooter John Hinckley Is Womanizing Narcissist
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,368663,00.html