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Offline Eupher

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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2009, 04:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on October 14, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
The sharpness of the knife has noting to do with the pertinent part of Peter's post.  In this instance, the boy lacked both intent of wrong-doing and comprehension that he was breaking the rules at all.  The boy apparently associated the pocket knife with eating utensils, and therefore even if he knew about the no knifes at school rule (which is not clear from the article), he lacked the mental maturity to connect his item with the forbidden knives.  I agree that some punishment is necessary, though I imagine that a discussion with the principal would have probably sufficed, the fact that the school refused to even negotiate on the "no tolerance" policy until the media got involved shows an obvious lack of reasoning ability on the part of the school.

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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2009, 06:52:10 PM »
Perfect, Rose, except the child needed some EDUCATION and CORRECTION as any qualified educator would have delevered,  not punishment. 
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2009, 06:53:47 PM »
Quote from: Peter3_1 on October 14, 2009, 06:52:10 PM
Perfect, Rose, except the child needed some EDUCATION and CORRECTION as any qualified educator would have delevered,  not punishment. 

True, punishment was the wrong word choice on my part.

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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2009, 06:57:30 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 13, 2009, 12:37:33 PM
And to think, when I was in school you could carry a sword to school on the bus.  Every kid had a pocket knife, and some even carried knives in sheaths on their belts.

Hell, when my grandpa was a kid they used to take guns to school so they could hunt on the way home.
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2009, 07:02:50 PM »
Indeed, I took my 12 Ga. to school in season. My homeroom teacher would lock it in his coat closet, and I'd pick it up on the way out at 2:55pm. There was no panic, and I was not the Lone Ranger, either.

I would frequently bag a phesant after school. Mom made a great Italina Sausage, phesant and wild rice caserol that was/is unmatched.....
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2009, 07:06:29 PM »
Quote from: Peter3_1 on October 14, 2009, 07:02:50 PM
Indeed, I took my 12 Ga. to school in season. My homeroom teacher would lock it in his coat closet, and I'd pick it up on the way out at 2:55pm. There was no panic, and I was not the Lone Ranger, either.

I would frequently bag a phesant after school. Mom made a great Italina Sausage, phesant and wild rice caserol that was/is unmatched.....

Some of my dad's classmates used to do the same.  My dad never did for some reason. 
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2009, 07:41:30 PM »
I think I have more of a problem with the parents here. Where was she? Doesn't she check the kid's school bag?
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2009, 07:51:35 PM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 14, 2009, 01:24:48 PM
That's a strong possibility. In any case, "zero tolerance" more or less translates to "zero thinking" on part of school administrators. They get to hide behind a policy so as to avoid having to use their own judgment and taking the possible flak for it. This sort of thinking is what led to that one teenage girl getting strip-searched looking for prescription-strength Tylenol. At no point did a school administrator stop and think that maybe strip-searching a minor with no parental or law enforcement input was maybe possibly a really stupid idea?

1st thing that you have posted lately that I actually agree with.
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2009, 07:52:28 PM »
I carried a knife all through elementary school..

Now, my highschool suspends people for having butter knives in their cars...  :whatever:
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2009, 09:09:06 PM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on October 14, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
The sharpness of the knife has nothing to do with the pertinent part of Peter's post.  In this instance, the boy lacked both intent of wrong-doing and comprehension that he was breaking the rules at all.  The boy apparently associated the pocket knife with eating utensils, and therefore even if he knew about the no knifes at school rule (which is not clear from the article), he lacked the mental maturity to connect his item with the forbidden knives.  I agree that some punishment is necessary, though I imagine that a discussion with the principal would have probably sufficed, the fact that the school refused to even negotiate on the "no tolerance" policy until the media got involved shows an obvious lack of reasoning ability on the part of the school.

It's my understanding when the schools don't have "no tolerance" policies, there are often a zillion parents waiting to file a law suit against the school. The parents are so quick to lawyer up, and that sucks for everyone.
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2009, 09:20:47 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 14, 2009, 07:52:28 PM
I carried a knife all through elementary school..

Now, my highschool suspends people for having butter knives in their cars...  :whatever:

I carried a folding buck knife on my belt all through highschool (80-83).  Wasn't a problem.
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2009, 09:27:29 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on October 14, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
I carried a folding buck knife on my belt all through highschool (80-83).  Wasn't a problem.
Until 9/11 I carried a Swiss army knife with me on flights.  Dropped it in the little bowl with my keys, walked through the metal detector, and had it handed back to me on the other side...every time.
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2009, 10:00:35 PM »
I guess a spork would be grounds for a school lockdown.
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Re: Cub Scout utensil gets boy, 6, school suspension
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2009, 12:16:50 PM »
You can kill/injure in a fraction of a secone with a sharpened #2 pencil, screwdriver, sand filled and dampened sock, wire coat hanger,  2x4 club, 2 sharp blows to the nose, piano wire, coaxel cable, etc etc etc.


Stupidity reigns supreme at the schools. Remember at least HALF the population will learn ALL their socialization skills, etc. in the 12 grades of public school before they are turned loose on scociety.......
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