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People Who Personify Evil
« on: July 30, 2008, 11:49:44 PM »
Here is who I think are the most evil people in history.
Joseph Stalin
Adolf Hitler
Mao Zedong
Pol Pot
Saddam Hussein
Mullamar Omar
Idi Amin
Osama bin Laden
9/11 Hijackers
Elizabeth Bathory
Jim Jones
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2008, 03:41:09 AM »
I dunno, Ptarmigan.

That list is too top-loaded with recent personages.

Many historians rate Tamurlane (circa 700 years ago) as monstrously evil.

Compared with him, Attila the Hun and Ghengis Khan were benefactors of humanity.

Or take Adolph Hitler, who of course was evil; yet there were others with him more evil than him, their destruction being more limited, because they themselves had lesser power than their boss.  Reinhard Heydrich and Julius Streicher come to mind.  If either of these guys had had the power their boss did, each of them would have made Adolph Hitler look like a benefactor of humanity.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 07:26:35 PM »
I dunno, Ptarmigan.

That list is too top-loaded with recent personages.

Many historians rate Tamurlane (circa 700 years ago) as monstrously evil.

Compared with him, Attila the Hun and Ghengis Khan were benefactors of humanity.

Or take Adolph Hitler, who of course was evil; yet there were others with him more evil than him, their destruction being more limited, because they themselves had lesser power than their boss.  Reinhard Heydrich and Julius Streicher come to mind.  If either of these guys had had the power their boss did, each of them would have made Adolph Hitler look like a benefactor of humanity.

I know Tamurlane is evil. He was known for his cruelty. However, some people, mostly in Central Asia view him as a hero. Heydrich and Streicher were true monsters, but they were under Hitler. It would not surprise me if they were just as bad as Hitler, if they were the leaders instead of Hitler. The people I listed are reviled by almost everyone, except by fringe element types and wackos. 
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 08:11:00 PM »
I saw a special on Vlad the Impaler, the real Dracula the other night on History.

He could probably give those folks a run for their money in the evil department.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 09:31:17 PM »
I saw a special on Vlad the Impaler, the real Dracula the other night on History.

He could probably give those folks a run for their money in the evil department.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
He was mostly seen as a hero.  His bad press came from the Ottomans and the boyers.  He was a member of the Order of the Dragon which was an organization to stop the spread of Islam from the Ottoman empire into Eastern Europe.

Of course, compared to today, even people like Henry VIII could be seen as evil.  Cruel little boys playing God.  Many people today have this romantic notion of the past but the truth is now is the best time to be alive, ever.  And it has been this way for a long time.

There is no Golden Age.  No Eden.  Such stories reflect a longing for a reunion with God.  But the separation never happened, except in our imagination and we are all still safe at home.  Evil is a sort of fiction that has no actual substance, much like a vampire cannot cast a reflection, because they don't actually exist.  Or like in Parsifal, because Parsifal knew no guilt, he was able to catch the Spear of Destiny and banish Klingsor's kingdom because, not suffering from unconscious guilt, Parsifal could project nothing to sustain Klingsor's kingdom, which is a kingdom that can only be sustained if we judge ourselves.  A kingdom of imagined guilt and fear of punishment.  This is also the reason that Amfortas could not heal.  There was no real wound, there never was any real wound at all but Amfortas thought there was and he thought he had failed the Grail Knights but no such failure is possible.

"Be whole, absolved and atoned! For I now will perform your task. O blessed be your suffering, that gave pity's mighty power and purest wisdom's might to the timorous fool!"

The reason Parsifal was a fool was because he didn't buy into the world of forms and therefore he couldn't be fooled.

So, much like beauty, the embodiment of evil is also much in the eye of the beholder.  And the zeitgeist of the beholder.

So for me, today, that guy who cut off the head of his fellow passenger is the embodiment of evil.  You can look back at Henry VIII and Ghengis Kahn and Vlad Tepes and put them and their actions into context and divine some reason for their evils.  This guy up in Canada is the total embodiment of shadow.  A monster right out of the sticky depths of the tar pits of the id.  Most of the people on Ptarmy's list, you know who they are.  If you live in their land you can try to escape.  You know who the bad guy is.  This bus thing is so random and chaotic that "evil" is the only word that seems to apply.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2008, 10:12:08 PM »
Carrottop - for obvious reasons

Abraham Lincoln - sent 500,000 plus to their deaths to insure his re-election
Sherman & Grant - were soulless enough to make Lincoln's dream come true
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What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2008, 10:17:54 PM »
Caligula
Uday and Qusay
Richard Rameriz
Fred Phelps
King Herod
Anton Lavey
L. Ron Hubbard
Andrei Chikatilo
Jim Jones
Muslims in Rowanda, Chechnya, and Dafur
Marilyn Manson (joke that he is he has led more people away from God than most anyone I could name)
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 10:49:28 PM »
Carrottop - for obvious reasons

Abraham Lincoln - sent 500,000 plus to their deaths to insure his re-election
Sherman & Grant - were soulless enough to make Lincoln's dream come true


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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 11:06:27 PM »
Caligula
Uday and Qusay
Richard Rameriz
Fred Phelps
King Herod
Anton Lavey
L. Ron Hubbard
Andrei Chikatilo
Jim Jones
Muslims in Rowanda, Chechnya, and Dafur
Marilyn Manson (joke that he is he has led more people away from God than most anyone I could name)


Before you start busting out the wide paint brush here...

Rwanda was not a "religious" genocide.  The conflict was over two ethnic peoples.  This could even be "blamed" on the Belgians before anything involving religion.

The genocide was caused by 1 mans lust for power, and perpetrated by an army populated by ignorant people who had been "held down" by the Tutsis for more then 70 years and saw their chance to strike back.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 11:48:38 PM »
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 12:23:25 AM »
I would go as far as to suggest Muhammed. (The founder of Islam "Muhammed") Islam has presented itself as an evil religion and there are several stories of Muhammed's pedophilia, insanity and other evilness.

Ohh...... and I side with Milosovec and the other guy they just "caught". Those men were merely protecting Bosnia from the evil spread of Islam. If anything, they belong with Vlad the Impaler!! As stated before, Vlad the Impaler is recognized locally as an hero, not the beast people have made him out to be. It truly surprises me that these people were able to recognize Islam for what it really is.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2008, 06:27:54 AM »
I would go as far as to suggest Muhammed. (The founder of Islam "Muhammed") Islam has presented itself as an evil religion and there are several stories of Muhammed's pedophilia, insanity and other evilness.

Ohh...... and I side with Milosovec and the other guy they just "caught". Those men were merely protecting Bosnia from the evil spread of Islam. If anything, they belong with Vlad the Impaler!! As stated before, Vlad the Impaler is recognized locally as an hero, not the beast people have made him out to be. It truly surprises me that these people were able to recognize Islam for what it really is.

I agree.  However, it wasn't what they did it was how they did it.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 11:51:07 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 11:33:50 PM »
I would go as far as to suggest Muhammed. (The founder of Islam "Muhammed") Islam has presented itself as an evil religion and there are several stories of Muhammed's pedophilia, insanity and other evilness.

Ohh...... and I side with Milosovec and the other guy they just "caught". Those men were merely protecting Bosnia from the evil spread of Islam. If anything, they belong with Vlad the Impaler!! As stated before, Vlad the Impaler is recognized locally as an hero, not the beast people have made him out to be. It truly surprises me that these people were able to recognize Islam for what it really is.

I agree.  However, it wasn't what they did it was how they did it.

Like any of the Muslims will ever be prosecuted for their "war crimes" .......


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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2008, 01:12:56 AM »
 Posters at GOPUSA , Neutral Underground, The New left leaning Protest Warrior forum, the old original Protest Warrior, Politico,JTF,Delphi,Powerline feedback,IC database,Liberty Forum,Chronwatch, Conservative Underground... who are Closit Socialist Dem/libs pretending to be Libertarians or even conservatives and they are experts at subterfuge and are very selective about when and who they will risk rocking the forum boat with an attack on thus they usually become pillars of the board community and enjoy huge post counts when in all actuality they are the most dangerous troublemakers (As bad as Obama web war room soldiers) Hope that is what you were asking for clarity on (And as for me being a Liberal plant  Others here know me and will vouch for my Nationalist Republican Pro America leanings)       

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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2008, 10:28:19 AM »


Abraham Lincoln - sent 500,000 plus to their deaths to insure his re-election
Sherman & Grant - were soulless enough to make Lincoln's dream come true


WTF??? :whatever:
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2008, 10:31:08 AM »
Posters at GOPUSA , Neutral Underground, The New left leaning Protest Warrior forum, the old original Protest Warrior, Politico,JTF,Delphi,Powerline feedback,IC database,Liberty Forum,Chronwatch, Conservative Underground... who are Closit Socialist Dem/libs pretending to be Libertarians or even conservatives and they are experts at subterfuge and are very selective about when and who they will risk rocking the forum boat with an attack on thus they usually become pillars of the board community and enjoy huge post counts when in all actuality they are the most dangerous troublemakers (As bad as Obama web war room soldiers) Hope that is what you were asking for clarity on (And as for me being a Liberal plant  Others here know me and will vouch for my Nationalist Republican Pro America leanings)       

So basically anyone who's ever exposed you as the whackjob you are and kicked you out is now evil?
 

:whatever:


Oh and BTW you left one name off of there.


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The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2008, 11:10:43 AM »
Posters at GOPUSA , Neutral Underground, The New left leaning Protest Warrior forum, the old original Protest Warrior, Politico,JTF,Delphi,Powerline feedback,IC database,Liberty Forum,Chronwatch, Conservative Underground... who are Closit Socialist Dem/libs pretending to be Libertarians or even conservatives and they are experts at subterfuge and are very selective about when and who they will risk rocking the forum boat with an attack on thus they usually become pillars of the board community and enjoy huge post counts when in all actuality they are the most dangerous troublemakers (As bad as Obama web war room soldiers) Hope that is what you were asking for clarity on (And as for me being a Liberal plant  Others here know me and will vouch for my Nationalist Republican Pro America leanings)       

So basically anyone who's ever exposed you as the whackjob you are and kicked you out is now evil?
 

:whatever:


Oh and BTW you left one name off of there.

 If you consider Mods & admins at conservative forum/boards who saddle up with Lib/Dem Socialistic Elitist Troublemakers over Right leaning Troublemakers with an odd sense of humor then yes . And  BTW  I can post at many of those and other forums INCLUDING THE DU but why bother when there are mod admins who treat newcomers as you do


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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2008, 01:10:04 PM »
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If you consider Mods & admins at conservative forum/boards who saddle up with Lib/Dem Socialistic Elitist Troublemakers over Right leaning Troublemakers with an odd sense of humor then yes . And  BTW  I can post at many of those and other forums INCLUDING THE DU but why bother when there are mod admins who treat newcomers as you do

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After all this time you still haven't learned that.

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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2008, 01:24:46 PM »
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If you consider Mods & admins at conservative forum/boards who saddle up with Lib/Dem Socialistic Elitist Troublemakers over Right leaning Troublemakers with an odd sense of humor then yes . And  BTW  I can post at many of those and other forums INCLUDING THE DU but why bother when there are mod admins who treat newcomers as you do

Sarge treats everyone the same -- newbie or not.  He justs ask that you make sense and not be a BS artist. Or at least that is my observation of his treatment of people -- I can't actually speak for him.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2008, 01:27:58 PM »

Sarge treats everyone the same -- newbie or not.  He justs ask that you make sense and not be a BS artist. Or at least that is my observation of his treatment of people -- I can't actually speak for him.


Thank you sir.  And you re pretty much correct.

What Don here fails to realize he is neither new to me nor am I new to him.

I've done this strange dance of his before.

Maybe one day he'll sober up and it will come to him.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2008, 01:31:15 PM »


Abraham Lincoln - sent 500,000 plus to their deaths to insure his re-election
Sherman & Grant - were soulless enough to make Lincoln's dream come true


WTF??? :whatever:



Didn't know that ?

Did you know that he was the only prez to get elected with NO southern electoral votes ?  Think that was ever going to happen again ?

Did you know that Honest Abe went through a lot of generals until he found ones who would provide the brutality levels he wanted ?

If you're interested in all the shameful details, read this...

My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2008, 01:36:26 PM »


Abraham Lincoln - sent 500,000 plus to their deaths to insure his re-election
Sherman & Grant - were soulless enough to make Lincoln's dream come true


WTF??? :whatever:



Didn't know that ?

Did you know that he was the only prez to get elected with NO southern electoral votes ?  Think that was ever going to happen again ?

Did you know that Honest Abe went through a lot of generals until he found ones who would provide the brutality levels he wanted ?

If you're interested in all the shameful details, read this...



Oh, I see.

One book written by someone with an agenda should substitute for over a hundred years of biographies by thousands of authors.

So if I write a book about how Southern Conspiracy Nuts should all be tossed in a loonie bin, that should be sufficient proof to do so?
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2008, 01:40:30 PM »
Add to the list: Robert E.  Lee and Jefferson Davis, who would rather sacrifice all the blood of innocent boys in the South than give up owning other human beings.
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Re: People Who Personify Evil
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2008, 01:47:01 PM »


Abraham Lincoln - sent 500,000 plus to their deaths to insure his re-election
Sherman & Grant - were soulless enough to make Lincoln's dream come true


WTF??? :whatever:



Didn't know that ?

Did you know that he was the only prez to get elected with NO southern electoral votes ?  Think that was ever going to happen again ?

Did you know that Honest Abe went through a lot of generals until he found ones who would provide the brutality levels he wanted ?

If you're interested in all the shameful details, read this...



Oh, I see.

One book written by someone with an agenda should substitute for over a hundred years of biographies by thousands of authors.

So if I write a book about how Southern Conspiracy Nuts should all be tossed in a loonie bin, that should be sufficient proof to do so?



Most of Lincoln's most ardent historian admirers admitted that he was a dictator.  This author quotes from those guys as well as a wide variety of publications of the day to demonstrate the points he makes. 

Now if you're not interested, don't read the book.  I'm not the author or publisher, I stand to gain nothing.  But if you are the least bit curious, read it.  Check the references.  Discover the whitewashing of this "great" president.  You'll be as surprized as I was.
My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.