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GreenStormCloud (11,050 posts) Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:54 PMIn FL there are Blacks who shoot Whites and use SYG and get off.The Tampa Bay Times http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/nonfatal-cases has been assembling the details of all shooting cases that involved SYG since the law was inacted. Some are fatalities, some are only woundings. The web site is interactive so you can set it to show whatever detail that you want to, including details of individual cases. Most shooting are between people of the same race. Setting the filter for black on white shootings, adding fatalities and woundings for total shootings we find: Black on White - 4 convicted, 12 justified, 4 pending White on Black - 3 convicted, 14 justified, 5 pending Total of all SYG claims: 59 convicted, 143 justified, 35 pending So SYG isn't used that often, is not a shoot anybody for free card, and is not for-Whites-only.
Response to Mojo Electro (Reply #137)Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:43 PMRaine1967 (3,318 posts) 203. BULL SHIT. Go away.I don't need your 77 posts to come in here and talk down me.
Response to Raine1967 (Reply #6)Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:13 PMMojo Electro (77 posts) 137. It's a known fact about this case.She went out to the garage, retrieved the pistol from the car that was in the garage, came back and fired a shot close to the guy's head. Also it was his house and, although they were married, she had not moved in yet. Apparently he had been abusing her, and the scumbag absolutely deserved much more than a warning shot. But, she was sent up the river by manditory minimums regarding the use of a firearm during a the commission of a crime. This case is vastly different from the Zimmerman case.... they have virtually nothing in common.
Why do the DUmmies hate blacks so much that they don't want them to be able to defend themselves?
God it is amazing how utterly blind they are to facts when presented to them.
PhDD is in it up to her PFDs over there.She will blow an aneurysm* someday.*Not to be confused with "blowing her doctoral advisors to get that PhD in South American Studies".
BainsBane (13,553 posts) 190. Excellent pointwhich will be completely ignored.
BainsBane (13,553 posts) 141. The application of both is the sameas is their purpose: killing black men. Both accomplish the same thing.
BainsBane (13,553 posts) 147. 11 to 1 is the ratioLast edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:29 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)What is the period for those numbers? Why have you chosen such a narrow time frame? Why do you refuse to look at all the cases of SYG? You might fool yourself, but everyone else here sees exactly what is going on.
BainsBane (13,553 posts) 154. 235 casesYou don't deal with the majority of them. You haven't even read your own ****ing article.
BainsBane (13,553 posts) 145. What you are doing is denying factsto justify a law that allows killing when the killer could safely retreat, essentially to kill human beings for sport. As a Florida man recently said, "I only shot a n---" http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023322630 You hero got away with murder. How may more must die before you and ALEC, the NRA, and the Koch brothers who advanced the SYG laws are satisfied? All those black teenagers walking home from the store with candy. Someone has to do something about that menace. Yeah, we get the point.
BainsBane (13,553 posts) 160. Evidence on SYG that gunnners willfully ignoreLast edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)because it doesn't justify killing. I wonder at what point in American society being pro-2A turned into justifying murder? It seems a recent development to me, but perhaps I'm simply naive. http://blog.metrotrends.org/2012/08/stand-ground-laws-worsen-racial-disparities/http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/07/14/stand-your-ground-increases-racial-bias/ http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jul/13/study-stand-your-ground-laws-dont-deter-crime-to/ National Bureau of Economic Reseach: SYG results in significant increase in justifiable homicides (after all, the point of the laws are to get away with murder) http://www.nber.org/papers/w18187.pdf?new_window=1 http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/stand-your-ground-task-force-rick-scott-trayvonhttp://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/stand-your-ground-task-force-rick-scott-trayvon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023322252The DUmmies immediately go off topic and some of course try and deny that the laws favor blacks over whites.
BainsBane (13,560 posts) 138. SYG is racist http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/07/14/stand-your-ground-increases-racial-bias/ http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/nra-alec-stand-your-ground http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/stand-your-ground-task-force-rick-scott-trayvon There is no justification for the law other than bloodlust. Self defense law before SYG enabled anyone to defend his or her own life. Retreat is only required when safe to do so. SYG makes it so that people can shoot first even when they have a clear and safe exit. It's a way for people who enjoy killing to do it and get off. It's an evil law supported by racists and killers. Killers belong in jail. They are a menace to society, as are those who justify their actions. Killing when an other alternative exists is evil. Even The Tampa Bay times shows the law is used to let people with violent histories go unpunished. http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/many-killers-who-go-free-with-florida-stand-your-ground-law-have-history/1241378 Hardly a surprise. We all know the point of this law is to allow those who enjoy killing to get away with it as long as they use a gun. SYG are right wing laws pushed on the American public by the Right-Wing trifecta of death: ALEC, the NRA, and the Koch brothers. Naturally the right loves the law. They created it.
There's a reason why patriotism is considered a conservative value. Watch a Tea Party rally and you'll see people proudly raising the American flag and showing pride in U.S. heroes such as Thomas Jefferson. Watch an OWS rally and you'll see people burning the American flag while showing pride in communist heroes such as Che Guevera. --Bob, from some news site
BainsBane (13,553 posts)160. Evidence on SYG that gunnners willfully ignoreLast edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)because it doesn't justify killing. I wonder at what point in American society being pro-2A turned into justifying murder? It seems a recent development to me, but perhaps I'm simply naive.
Somebody help me out here. I thought I had been following the Zimmerman case pretty close here but apparently not.Didn't Z's defense team consider and then reject the SYG defense early on, and didn't the trial rather revolve around the basic or natural right of self defense instead?
Because all I've heard since the verdict are the Martin apologists using the trial as a springboard to call for abolition of SYG. Was there something late in the trial or in the judge's instructions to the jury that brought SYG back in play?
Somebody help me out here. I thought I had been following the Zimmerman case pretty close here but apparently not.Didn't Z's defense team consider and then reject the SYG defense early on, and didn't the trial rather revolve around the basic or natural right of self defense instead? Because all I've heard since the verdict are the Martin apologists using the trial as a springboard to call for abolition of SYG. Was there something late in the trial or in the judge's instructions to the jury that brought SYG back in play?
