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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2021, 04:09:24 PM »
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2021, 04:34:49 PM »
Thomas Sowell at his best. Now if he could just get more black readers.
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2021, 09:12:06 PM »
They have to be willing to listen. That's the hard part.
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2021, 05:52:26 AM »
They have to be willing to listen. That's the hard part.

It helps when we demonstrate that it is worth it to them to listen.
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2021, 02:26:47 PM »
It helps when we demonstrate that it is worth it to them to listen.

That's a nice sentiment - it really, truly is. There's more sentiment linked below.

The cretins - not this particular kid, who is altogether willing to listen - can't be reached through "demonstration" or "willingness" to listen. They listen to only one thing -- the signal to begin looting, rioting, gang activity, and creating mayhem when one of their masters tells them "GO!"

Their first thought is to pull out a cell phone and begin recording when somebody's being beat up. Not to help stop the fight mind you - just to record the action for posterity's sake or to learn how best to get their own licks in. Their second thought is to participate, when and where they can. You know, a kick to a cop's face or a sucker punch from behind.

Tell me, Snugs. How many of these cretins would NOT be in the area if they weren't already hopelessly corrupted? My guess is a scant few.

Fortunately - so far, at least - the pool of cretins is relatively small. To those who AREN'T there beating the shit out of a cop, or a journalist, or stupidly trying to beat somebody up armed with an AR-15 (e.g., that kid in Wisconsin), THOSE can perhaps be reached. And that's where your sentiment comes in. Very nice and poignant.

The media have done a magnificent job in pitting us against each other, wouldn't you think? But that's where we are. Putting a pretty bow on it doesn't change the situation.

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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2021, 02:51:44 PM »
I'm not suggesting we can play this video outside of a BLM riot (not that I would be comfortable around that many upper class white people).

We are now the insurgency. We are no longer the dominant culture. We need to embrace that fact internally and act accordingly.

A big, first step is to not denigrate people on the basis of clothing, music, etc. I see far too many conservatives turning up their noses to anyone not matching their cultural mold. I've seen a needless pile on of rap music.

I'm not saying people have to like what I like. I'm not even throwing shade, but I can tell the critics have heard rap without listening to it. Yeah, yeah - sex and violence. I heard that in the 80s about my heavy metal music as well.

The skater punk kid that doesn't want to be hassled by the cops if he isn't hurting anyone - but he smokes pot. The inner city black woman who wants her kids educated outside the failed public school system - but she listens to 2Pac. The Latino father disgusted by modern immortality - but his English is spotty, being stuck in the ghetto.

These are our new allies. They have to be. Too many whites fagged out in order to avoid the fight. BTW we need the fags too. Not the pedo drag queen storytime types, just the workaday folks.

The beauty and justice of conservatism is that it serves everyone by not setting us against each other. The lessons of history we are conserving are still valid. However, the modern world we live in has taken away our cultural hegemony within society.

We have, heretofore, failed to reframe our message to reach out to the disparate groups we share the streets with. We can either adapt or we can die pouting in the corner. The choice is as binary as gender.

Oh, yeah, I also recommend listening to the transgender YouTuber, Blair White. She admits she suffers from dysphoria and that it is a mental illness but she has no patience for leftists, totalitarianism, or the pedos seeking cover from within the LGBT community.

We need allies, and they need us.
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2021, 03:37:19 PM »

We are now the insurgency. We are no longer the dominant culture. We need to embrace that fact internally and act accordingly.

Not with you on that one. Just because you hear all the riots and the "mostly peaceful" protests from the media, ad infinitum, that doesn't mean that mainstream America is now the minority. It's just we're not as loud as they are. In some respects, you are correct. Advertisers target the young crowd because, ostensibly, they have more disposable income. So the ads are constantly trumpeting young people and their values. Commercials that pimp the gay lifestyle, for example. Never would have seen that 20 years ago.

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A big, first step is to not denigrate people on the basis of clothing, music, etc. I see far too many conservatives turning up their noses to anyone not matching their cultural mold. I've seen a needless pile on of rap music.

As a musician, I will flat out tell you that the shit they call "music" doesn't qualify. It's what they enjoy, fine, and there is no harm in that. I don't denigrate anyone for what they listen to. But at the same time, I will revert to my training and my knowledge about music to argue the point that what they listen to isn't music. It might be poetry (including the violence, the hos, and the rest of the crap that they trumpet), but it sure as hell isn't music.

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I'm not saying people have to like what I like. I'm not even throwing shade, but I can tell the critics have heard rap without listening to it. Yeah, yeah - sex and violence. I heard that in the 80s about my heavy metal music as well.

I stopped actively listening to pop music in the mid-70s.  Why? Most of it was garbage. Has nothing to do with style of music, necessarily. Like Duke Ellington once said, "There are only two kinds of music - good music and the other kind." In order to arrive at that conclusion, I listened to that claptrap and rejected it.

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The skater punk kid that doesn't want to be hassled by the cops if he isn't hurting anyone - but he smokes pot. The inner city black woman who wants her kids educated outside the failed public school system - but she listens to 2Pac. The Latino father disgusted by modern immortality - but his English is spotty, being stuck in the ghetto.

As long as they're a part of a non-violent culture that is willing to listen, sounds great. But the media won't have that, as you know. So the kum-bah-ya stuff ain't happening, despite your best efforts. Not yet, anyway. Maybe in time. But when the hooligans are destroying THEIR OWN neighborhoods, wrecking government buildings (which we all pay for), and otherwise are acting with impunity, all bets are off with that crowd.

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We need allies, and they need us.
To what end? What do you hope to accomplish with your allies? Peaceful coexistence? That would be a great start, but again that ain't happening in many communities. First order of business is to stop the violence, bring severe consequences for those who participate in that crap, identify the organizations that support and underwrite that violence, and shut them down. Until we get to that point, what you're espousing is just fluff.

Those who are willing to work on that basis - those with purple hair, those who listen to punk rock, those who are willing to listen - can only be welcomed. I don't care if their hair is purple, I don't care if they engage in faggotry (just keep it to themselves), and I don't care if they listen to punk rock. All of that is beside the point. What is important is that whatever culture we have arrived at isn't working - except for the elite class, of course. Everyone else suffers.

One gay guy I do admire - Scott Presler - who puts his activism to work. We need more like him.

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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2021, 08:23:08 AM »
We are the insurgency because: Despite our percentage of representation in living rooms the enemy owns the corporate boardrooms, television, music, print media, traditional publishing, public education, academia, the military, intelligence community, prosecutors offices, scientific journals, sports, financial institutions, election boards, Congress, the presidency, social media.

Name one sector of American social, economic, information, political, or cultural relevance on a national level we can operate unencumbered. I'll wait.

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In order to arrive at that conclusion, I listened to that claptrap and rejected it.

I can't stand 99.537% of country music, but I'm willing to avoid offending a potential ally.

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As long as they're a part of a non-violent culture that is willing to listen, sounds great. But the media won't have that, as you know. So the kum-bah-ya stuff ain't happening, despite your best efforts.

The media is telling them that you reject them and will never accept them. Don't prove the media to be right, don't do their job for them; do the opposite.

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But when the hooligans are destroying THEIR OWN neighborhoods, wrecking government buildings (which we all pay for), and otherwise are acting with impunity, all bets are off with that crowd.

This is what I'm warning against.

You're grouping all people together. People may have communities and cultures that group them together, but ultimately we are all individuals and we are capable of moving outside of the "cellular walls" of those groups based on individual decisions.

There's a reason Trump won more minority support of any Republican prior to the civil rights era: despite the communists best efforts to corral people into groups, Trump approached them on issues of individual importance.

If school vouchers enjoy plurality support among inner city parents, why aren't we championing that? If business licensing is causing economic stagnation in the inner city because people can't afford to work for themselves, why aren't we demanding that? Because we don't live in inner cities.

Would it kill us to champion policies that are conservatively sound, but don't impact us directly? Especially if it undercuts the (hopefully) erroneous portrayal of conservatives as uncaring about the fate of the urban poor?

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First order of business is to stop the violence, bring severe consequences for those who participate in that crap, identify the organizations that support and underwrite that violence, and shut them down. Until we get to that point, what you're espousing is just fluff.

You talk as if you are still in charge of the government, or can vote your way back in.

You aren't and you can't.

They stole the government in broad daylight and they told us to go **** ourselves with a grin on their faces. The cops are ordered to stand down during riots but murdered Ashli Babbitt with the blessing of the junta. The military is undergoing a purge. Wray refuses to answer GOP Congressmen on the financial structure of ANTIFA. The CIA is actively - illegally - pursuing domestic political dissidents.

Where is this power to stop the riots?

Our ability to act will come from the fact that a significant number - not all, but a significant number - of those sympathetic to the claims (read: propaganda) of the rioters will see nothing has changed even though the stodgy white conservatives are gone. Oh, sure, the leaders moved out into big mansions, but their streets are still filthy and dangerous.

What will they do?

What people abandoned in that hell have always done. They'll hang out with kindred spirits absorbing music, art, stories, etc. that speak to their common experience.

I intend to be the one DJ'ing that song: https://youtu.be/26dv1erRNMI

You don't have to like it, but it's still able to achieve more results than anything at our disposal.

I'm open to VIABLE alternatives.
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2021, 09:44:48 AM »
We are the insurgency because: Despite our percentage of representation in living rooms the enemy owns the corporate boardrooms, television, music, print media, traditional publishing, public education, academia, the military, intelligence community, prosecutors offices, scientific journals, sports, financial institutions, election boards, Congress, the presidency, social media.

Name one sector of American social, economic, information, political, or cultural relevance on a national level we can operate unencumbered. I'll wait.

A number of social media outlets have been gaining ground and traction. I'm sure you've heard of Parler, MeWe, Gab. Rumble is the new home for many podcasters, including Dinesh D'Souza and Bill Whittle. There is no doubt that the leftists have overrun the "traditional" sources of information - no argument from me about that. They've been at it since the Sixties and they've got a massive head start, but that doesn't mean conservatism is completely shut out of everything. Saying otherwise is just silly.

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I can't stand 99.537% of country music, but I'm willing to avoid offending a potential ally.
That makes two of us. Let's pat each other on the back.

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The media is telling them that you reject them and will never accept them. Don't prove the media to be right, don't do their job for them; do the opposite.
Not sure where you get this. All I said, back in the beginning of this conversation, is they have to be willing to listen. That speaks nothing for "our" side, though I shouldn't have to state the obvious -- that in order for people to talk, BOTH sides have to listen.

The problem with that is, leftists don't want to listen. They don't want to discuss matters of mutual interest. I've run into this with my own family -- and perhaps more than most on this forum, I am surrounded by leftists. I know what I'm talking about.

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You're grouping all people together.
Nonsense. I'm making a clear distinction between those hooligans, rioters, leftists, and common thugs and the mayhem they're causing versus more reasonable and approachable people of all ages, at all levels. Making nice with aforesaid hooligans doesn't work. I challenge you to go to a BLM "mostly peaceful" protest and link up with a guy with a can of soup in his hand. Let me know how that turns out.

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There's a reason Trump won more minority support of any Republican prior to the civil rights era: despite the communists best efforts to corral people into groups, Trump approached them on issues of individual importance.
That's true, and there's also the aspect that Latinos, by and large, think conservatively. They're big on family, church, and traditional values. Trump rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but despite the media (who aren't infallible), that particular group saw through the lies. Ditto for many black Americans. Unemployment down, working, being able to provide for family in a much better way. It was a shame that Barry couldn't do any of that.

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If school vouchers enjoy plurality support among inner city parents, why aren't we championing that? If business licensing is causing economic stagnation in the inner city because people can't afford to work for themselves, why aren't we demanding that? Because we don't live in inner cities.
Your question is rhetorical, so I'll refrain from answering except to say that the teacher's unions are preventing school vouchers from reaching critical mass. And the leftist bent that is academia to begin with.

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Would it kill us to champion policies that are conservatively sound, but don't impact us directly? Especially if it undercuts the (hopefully) erroneous portrayal of conservatives as uncaring about the fate of the urban poor?
Such as? I think most conservatives would be the first to champion ALL people to be the very best they can be, to succeed at whatever they choose to do. That that's the very essence of freedom -- the freedom to excel and the freedom to fail, if that is what it takes to ultimately succeed.

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You talk as if you are still in charge of the government, or can vote your way back in.

You aren't and you can't.
  :rotf: I wasn't in charge of much of anything except a small group of brass players and later, in my second career, an even smaller group of civilians. Never had an overwhelming desire to command much of anything, and still don't. Well, except my lawn mower.

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They stole the government in broad daylight and they told us to go **** ourselves with a grin on their faces. The cops are ordered to stand down during riots but murdered Ashli Babbitt with the blessing of the junta. The military is undergoing a purge. Wray refuses to answer GOP Congressmen on the financial structure of ANTIFA. The CIA is actively - illegally - pursuing domestic political dissidents.

Where is this power to stop the riots?

The purge began under Barry's reign of terror. It was temporarily halted during Trump's presidency, but since we're now having Obama 3.0, it's back on again. It's disgusting, based on what I've read. Austin is also complicit in killing the military.

The power to stop the riots will come from the populace (outside of Blueville, that is) when the rioters leave Blueville and come to flyover country. That hasn't happened yet. I don't know of any red-blooded American who won't defend his property and his family, along with combining forces with neighbors in defending those neighborhoods.

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Our ability to act will come from the fact that a significant number - not all, but a significant number - of those sympathetic to the claims (read: propaganda) of the rioters will see nothing has changed even though the stodgy white conservatives are gone. Oh, sure, the leaders moved out into big mansions, but their streets are still filthy and dangerous.

What will they do?

I think the leftists have set up camp in Blueville for the simple reason that there is no resistance. There is no insurgency. There is no defense. So far, I don't see antifa and BLM ripping up neighborhoods in, say, Franklin, TN. Or Erie, PA. So I'm not quite as optimistic about what they'll do. If they haven't seen that nothing has changed (except more graffiti, more damage, more wreckage, more mayhem) by now, I'm not sure those living in Portland are capable of it. Pockets of sanity, maybe.

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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2021, 01:38:47 PM »
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A number of social media outlets have been gaining ground and traction. I'm sure you've heard of Parler, MeWe, Gab. Rumble is the new home for many podcasters, including Dinesh D'Souza and Bill Whittle.

Is that it? We content ourselves to the far flung, untrammeled reaches of the internet (at least until AWS or the regime decides to shut down those services)?

How do you expand their audiences?

Not by telling the uninitiated that the only culture they have ever know is worthless shit.

I take a Socratic view of culture: Socrates - with the ascent of people like Tolkien and Lewis, many centuries later - noted that all things are essentially good. Certainly, they may be acquired by evil means, or debased in their practice; but everything from power to pleasure is essentially good.

When people adopt a culture, even cultures outsiders may consider to be bad, it is because that culture provides things they value, i.e. security, community, etc.

One of the aspects that made Christianity so successful in converting billions around the world is that it recognizes the inherent good in a culture, adapts its presentation accordingly, and draws in the outsider rather than sacrificing its core tenets. That's why most Christians celebrate a rebranded pagan Easter instead of their foundational Passover.

If someone says, "I want a job to feed my children and a good school to send them to, and the ****ing pigs* (read: government) to leave me alone while I'm trying to do it," I say that person is my conservative kin even if they don't know it yet.


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Not sure where you get this.


By participating in the cultures many conservatives consider beneath them.


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All I said, back in the beginning of this conversation, is they have to be willing to listen.

As must we.

Everyone wants to be heard. Many are willing to engage in a dialogue. No one wants to be lectured.

My target is the many.


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I wasn't in charge of much of anything except a small group of brass players and later, in my second career, an even smaller group of civilians. Never had an overwhelming desire to command much of anything, and still don't. Well, except my lawn mower.

Not my point.

The point is: the political and law enforcement communities will not do what you want. As if the summer of 2020 didn't make that obvious.

The people fueling and enabling the mobs are the exact same people in charge of the federal, state, and local governments. The mobs cannot be defeated in a head-on clash. They must be undermined from within. The law enforcement model is not a viable option. They must be subverted ideologically.

The firm hand-of-authority model has failed. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in this situation. The long-game insurgency model calling out the hypocrisy and corruption of the current regime does work - because that is how they got over on us.

Adopt what works, even (especially) if that **** who is your enemy thought of it first.




* - For any of you bristling at my calling law enforcement "pigs" - don't. From Waco to Ruby Ridge, to the Bundy Ranch, to the EPA, to the ATF, to the IRS, to the ones detaining 1/6 protesters for months without non-violent charges while rapists, murderers, and arsonists walk our streets...all of them were law enforcement. If you want to see trial video of cops lying under oath to secure petty convictions or arresting people for refusing to answer questions without any probable cause of a crime, the internet abounds. The fact is, power is abused. Not by all, but by more than is acceptable. The cops are not your friends. If it comes down to your rights or their job far too many will **** you in a heartbeat - some just for fun.

We all claim we support the 2nd Amendment to ward off a tyrannical government. Who the **** do you think you would be shooting if not cops and soldiers?
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Re: Black man reacts to Thomas Sowell interview
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2021, 05:02:13 PM »
I'm bailing out of this conversation, Snugs, because you're really wound around the axle. You've thrown Socrates, Tolkien, and probably Milky the Clown into the mix.

You've taken a relatively harmless comment like "they need to listen" and you've turned it in to a goatrope.

Ooookay, buddy, have at it. I'm done here.
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