Angry DUmbasses betrayed by M$NBC

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:23 PM
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MSNBC: "NEARLY 50% prefer a GOP House." Why not "More than 50% prefer Dems."?
   
It's part of what Jon demonstrated Saturday: the media is not reporting facts, it's attempting to shape the outcome. Don't let them do it!

donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:26 PM
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1. But even beyond that -
   
It's a dumb statistic. We're split 50/50 Rep/Dem in this country. Of COURSE you're going to have 50% of whatever side your asking about. It's meaningless - either way.

If that statistic seems warm and smells funny it's because he just pulled it out of his ass.
 

Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:27 PM
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4. Because what you want them to report is false.
   
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 01:36 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
""NEARLY 50% prefer a GOP House." Why not "More than 50% prefer Dems."?"

Because it would be a FALSE STATEMENT.

malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:31 PM
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6. Ding ding we have a winner
   
Expose the hacks

VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:32 PM
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7. Were there only 2 choices?
   

Lemme guess: you wanted the Greens, socialists and commies all listed as separate choice.

Mass (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:33 PM
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9. No. 8% answered "Not sure", so they were not 50 + % for a democratic congress but 43 %.

Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:37 PM
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11. The point is entirely about the HEADLINE and MSNBC's motivation
   
Obviously there had to be another option, but details were left out in favor of furthering the "tidal wave" meme.

MSNBC now works for FOX?

 
 

Mass (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:41 PM
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14. But the title is correctly correlated to the poll. Nearly 50 % in this poll say they favor
   
a Republican House.

I dont like it anymore than you do, but it is correct. They could have said there would be a wave, they did not, apparently.

Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:42 PM
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15. No, the point is YOUR motivations
   
You post some bogus nonsense without bothering to read the poll or give the matter a minute's thought because you are motivated to misread things so you can be upset about something.

The OP calls on a news organization to report something false.

There is no nuance to the thing.

Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:51 PM
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22. Only on DU!
   
:laugh:

Pick a fight with people who are on your side. Context is everything, I suppose, and I didn't supply much (any?) This comes amid a barrage of "devastating" headlines about the Dems, which is in stark contrast to the way these very same people were discussing the race last week, when they were conceding that things weren't looking as bright for the GOP as they had initially thought.

Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 02:04 PM
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26. Nobody dishonest is on my side

   

Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 02:08 PM
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28. Dishonest?
   
Now you're just FOS. Who is being dishonest now? "On your side?" The implication being that I'm not, after working 70-90 hours a week for the Democrats for the last two-three months? You're doing exactly what Stewart said...drawing lines, making everything a fight. That's your right, of course. Dishonesty cuts both ways, I guess.

 
 
I love the appeal to Pope Stewart the First.

spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:33 PM
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8. it's called spin....insidious, ain't it?

Gaedel (520 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:42 PM
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16. You know
   
Instead of treating all bad news as false, maybe we should see bad news as reality. Then we could sit down and figure out what we have to do to change the reality in our favor. Does it require different election tactics? Exactly what is needed?

You have to admire the Republicans. They got stuffed into the ground in 1954, 1964, and 1974 and each time they slowly built back up to parity. They got stuffed again in 2008 and are coming back.

We just sit and complain that everything is unfair.

heretic!
 

Mass (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:35 PM
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10. Link to the poll. You will see by yourself why your premise is faulty.
   
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 01:36 PM by Mass
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Polit...
RV LV
Republican-controlled Congress ........ 46 49
Democrat-controlled Congress........... 44 43
Not sure............................... 10 8

Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:40 PM
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13. My premise isn't faulty, it was merely stated poorly. It was about MSNBC's meme.
   
Catapulting the propaganda. It may be a factual headline, but it is just part of the ongoing propaganda bullshit. MOE, the direction of the "not sures;" it's about the message and manipulation MSNBC is staging this morning, far worse than usual. Which is saying a lot.

karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:39 PM
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12. Do the numbers support that? If there are some not committing either way - both cn be below 50%

Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:48 PM
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21. I've been listening this morning and I am really pretty disgusted by this ****ed up media

   

Recursion (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:55 PM
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23. Because it's not true?
   
More people express a preference for a Republican House than for a Democratic House. There are many undecideds. GOP + Dem will not add up to 100.
All's true that is mistrusted

Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:55 PM
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24. Boy are they ever!!!   Updated at 1:55 PM
   
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 01:59 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
Nearly all the stories out there are about Republicans trouncing Democrats or how President Obama is so unpopular that he might not even be renominated in 2012, low favorability ratings for Speaker Pelosi. I have only heard a few stories that mention anything really *positive* for Democrats and most are them are still "framed" around Republicans winning big. What's even more nauseating is that, as another OP correctly pointed out, the corporate media has been spreading doom and gloom for the Democrats and pimping for the Republican Tea Party ever since last summer when Health Care Reform was being hotly debated. Yeah, the economy is still not in great shape and the party in power usually gets hit harder in midterm elections to be sure but it's incredible to me that, at least if you believe the propaganda that the corporate media is pushing, a significant number of people actually would want to put the party that has been blatantly partisan, massively obstructionist, and simply "idea-less" during the past 1-2 years into power in January, particularly after the previous eight years when they were busy running the country into a ditch and blowing up the world. I hope that the corporate propagandists are wrong and that the Republican Tea Party ends up losing on Tuesday (or at least falling short of expectations) but listening to the corporate media, well, since President Obama was inaugurated has been a frustrating, demoralizing, and nauseating experience. I'm glad that my only regular "exposure" to it has been through the "filter" of DU.

Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:57 PM
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25. Threads like this make DU look stupid.
   
Either you didn't read the poll, or you don't understand that 43% is less than 50%.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9432334

[Carl]

Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:57 PM
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25. Threads like this make DU look stupid.
   
Either you didn't read the poll, or you don't understand that 43% is less than 50%.

Probably too fine a point for you to grasp but just about every thread on the island makes the DUmp look stupid.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmies demonstrate their superior intellect again. Nevermind that when you introduce a $ sign or a % mark their math abilities go out the window.

[PatriotGame]

Mass (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:33 PM
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9. No. 8% answered "Not sure", so they were not 50 + % for a democratic congress but 43 %.

Huh?!???!!!

50% subtract 8% equals 43%?!???!!!

I fracking knew it!! Pythagoras was an asshole and didn't know crap!
And Isosceles - gehy! Totally gehy, stupid too. Couldn't use a T-Square OR tri-angle measure if he pulled it from his buttocks!

[USA4ME]

Pedro seems to be very, very upset about things over which he neither has control nor has the intellect to form the proper opinion.

Poor Pedro.

.

[PatriotGame]

Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 02:08 PM
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28. Dishonest?
   
Now you're just FOS. Who is being dishonest now? "On your side?" The implication being that I'm not, after working 70-90 hours a week for the Democrats for the last two-three months? You're doing exactly what Stewart said...drawing lines, making everything a fight. That's your right, of course. Dishonesty cuts both ways, I guess.

Okaaaaay.....all of you that hold down a 40+ hour work week and can spend an additional "70-90 hours" in said week devoted to volunteering for a political campaign, PLEASE RAISE YER HANDS!
Anyone???
Anyone???

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller...

24 X 7 = 168 - TOTAL Week Hours...
40 work hours plus the 70 minimum mentioned = 110.
168-110 = 58!

That leaves 58 hours to drive to and fro...
buy grub/grocery store/shopping crap...
Bathe...ooooppps!! It's a DUmmy we are dealing with - scratch the personal hygiene...
Sleep...for a DUmmy??? Gotta be at LEAST 10 hours in a 24 hour Earth rotational solar/lunar cycle...


Yup!! I'm gonna call the big fat dog turd on this Atman queer here.

[true_blood]

Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:23 PM
Original message
MSNBC: "NEARLY 50% prefer a GOP House." Why not "More than 50% prefer Dems."? It's part of what Jon demonstrated Saturday: the media is not reporting facts, it's attempting to shape the outcome. Don't let them do it!

I get a kick out of these half-a-wits that get their news from a shitty comedian. You stupid DUmmies!!

[TheSarge]

Gaedel (520 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:42 PM
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16. You know
   
Instead of treating all bad news as false, maybe we should see bad news as reality. Then we could sit down and figure out what we have to do to change the reality in our favor. Does it require different election tactics? Exactly what is needed?

You have to admire the Republicans. They got stuffed into the ground in 1954, 1964, and 1974 and each time they slowly built back up to parity. They got stuffed again in 2008 and are coming back.

We just sit and complain that everything is unfair.

LOL! Hope you enjoyed your stay on the Island Gaedel...you're about to get the Granite Pizza for telling the truth.

[Odin's Hand]

TexasToast/Atman has lost it...well really never had it.

"MSNBC is shaping public perception to favor the GOP". 

Has this guy been too busy with sex trips to Thailand to realize the political stripe of those who are flipping the switches and reading from the teleprompter over there?

Still waiting on the unabridged version of that bouncy you conjured up between you, the Hartford Public Library, the FBI and Section 201 of the PATRIOT Act, TT.

[TheSarge]

TexasToast/Atman has lost it...well really never had it.

"MSNBC is shaping public perception to favor the GOP". 

Has this guy been too busy with sex trips to Thailand to realize the political stripe of those who are flipping the switches and reading from the teleprompter over there?

Still waiting on the unabridged version of that bouncy you conjured up between you, the Hartford Public Library, the FBI and Section 201 of the PATRIOT Act, TT.

In Texas Toast's twisted way of thinking...any news outlet that doesn't spew the Obama/Socialist propaganda line 24/7/365 is part of the VRWC.

[miskie]

TexasToast/Atman has lost it...well really never had it.

"MSNBC is shaping public perception to favor the GOP". 

Has this guy been too busy with sex trips to Thailand to realize the political stripe of those who are flipping the switches and reading from the teleprompter over there?

Still waiting on the unabridged version of that bouncy you conjured up between you, the Hartford Public Library, the FBI and Section 201 of the PATRIOT Act, TT.

Actually, I suspect MSNBC is setting the bar too high. Then when the GOP doesn't take a million seats, they can trumpet -'TEA party falls flat - widely misses million congressional seat goal'- then they can go on and post-mortem the TEA party even though they won.

[TheSarge]

Actually, I suspect MSNBC is setting the bar too high. Then when the GOP doesn't take a million seats, they can trumpet -'TEA party falls flat - widely misses million congressional seat goal'- then they can go on and post-mortem the TEA party even though they won.

Special Keith was trotting that line out on Friday. He was saying that a narrow margin of victory for the Republicans equaled a "win" for the Democrats.

[miskie]

Special Keith was trotting that line out on Friday. He was saying that a narrow margin of victory for the Republicans equaled a "win" for the Democrats.

gee, either I'm a psychic, or the Dems are playing exactly as expected...

[Randy]

I get a kick out of these half-a-wits that get their news from a shitty comedian. You stupid DUmmies!!

An unfunny one to boot. It might be why they get all confused and think what he has to say it real. They don't laugh so it must be serial stuff he's saying!!!!!11!!!

Speaking dry hacky joke to power.

[TheSarge]

gee, either I'm a psychic, or the Dems are playing exactly as expected...

No they're just that predictable.  They will twist logic and reason into any unnatural shape they have to in an attempt to never...EEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER be wrong.

Special Keith has become the master at it.

[VelvetElvis]

Okaaaaay.....all of you that hold down a 40+ hour work week and can spend an additional "70-90 hours" in said week devoted to volunteering for a political campaign, PLEASE RAISE YER HANDS!
Anyone???
Anyone???

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller...

24 X 7 = 168 - TOTAL Week Hours...
40 work hours plus the 70 minimum mentioned = 110.
168-110 = 58!

That leaves 58 hours to drive to and fro...
buy grub/grocery store/shopping crap...
Bathe...ooooppps!! It's a DUmmy we are dealing with - scratch the personal hygiene...
Sleep...for a DUmmy??? Gotta be at LEAST 10 hours in a 24 hour Earth rotational solar/lunar cycle...


Yup!! I'm gonna call the big fat dog turd on this Atman queer here.

I checked your math for you, Patriot, and I think I found a problem....   

[LC EFA]

I checked your math for you, Patriot, and I think I found a problem....   

Pounding down bongs counts as work.