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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #125 on: April 22, 2013, 10:48:36 AM »
Quote from: wasp69 on April 22, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Money?

Certainly played a big part of that decision process.  FBS is a multi-BILLION dollar business, and Penn State was no small part of that.  Couple that with the fact that the university (and by extension, the PA taxpayer, as Penn State is a public university) is now on the hook for millions, if not tens of millions in settlement money, and SOMEONE has to pay.

The President of the university was shown the door, as he was the head, and so was JoPa, since you don't run that program for over 40 years without knowing EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that goes on under your program.  Ignorance was simply not a believable excuse in this case.

Whether you like it or not, the school and the Paterno family are doing damage control to minimize financial impact as well as harm to their names/legacy.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #126 on: April 22, 2013, 02:57:34 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on April 22, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
Certainly played a big part of that decision process.  FBS is a multi-BILLION dollar business, and Penn State was no small part of that.  Couple that with the fact that the university (and by extension, the PA taxpayer, as Penn State is a public university) is now on the hook for millions, if not tens of millions in settlement money, and SOMEONE has to pay.

The President of the university was shown the door, as he was the head, and so was JoPa, since you don't run that program for over 40 years without knowing EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that goes on under your program.  Ignorance was simply not a believable excuse in this case.

Whether you like it or not, the school and the Paterno family are doing damage control to minimize financial impact as well as harm to their names/legacy.

They had to have known what Jerry Sandusky was up to.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #127 on: April 22, 2013, 04:29:46 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on April 22, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
The President of the university was shown the door, as he was the head, and so was JoPa, since you don't run that program for over 40 years without knowing EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that goes on under your program.  Ignorance was simply not a believable excuse in this case.

I think this had more to do with it than just money.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #128 on: April 23, 2013, 08:55:54 AM »
Quote from: wasp69 on April 22, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
I think this had more to do with it than just money.

I never said money was the ONLY thing, but you'd be naive to think that wasn't part of the equation.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #129 on: April 23, 2013, 09:27:09 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on April 23, 2013, 08:55:54 AM
I never said money was the ONLY thing, but you'd be naive to think that wasn't part of the equation.

Of course it is.

I know you know all this, Sparky, but I feel a mini-rant coming on.

Colleges and universities are BUSINESSES and they mean to operate FOR PROFIT. Football is a huge, huge part of endowments and all kinds of money receipts - TV, radio, etc.

For that reason, and because of relative success, Joe Paterno was looked upon as being the proverbial Goose that kept laying the Golden Egg. Year after year, Paterno brought the money in.

The money that Paterno brought in was the source of his power, principally. Football bowl games and national championships and all that related bullshit pale in comparison to the CASH that those activities bring in.

Ancillary to all this is the warm 'n fuzzy hoo-rah bullshit that sports brings on to a lot of people. These are the people whose eyes glaze over when August rolls around because that means football is in the air. These are the people who hang out in sports bars and do chest bumps with each other when their favorite team scores a touchdown, spilling beer all over themselves in the process. These are the people who paint themselves in all manner of dumbass paint schemes and refuse to wear any clothing on their naked torsos in 0 deg. weather. (Are you listening, Cleveland?)

You damned straight it's about money.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #130 on: April 23, 2013, 09:50:21 AM »
And yet funny, ain't it--for all that cash that JoPa brought into the university, when he started as a coach, a year's tuition at Penn State would set you back $800.  Now?  $20K.  Not including books, room, and board.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2013, 08:22:16 PM »
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2013, 08:25:42 PM »
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2013, 08:27:53 PM »
You ain't right. :rofl:
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #134 on: May 05, 2016, 09:23:52 PM »
Child told Paterno of sex abuse in 1976, court papers allege
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html

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A new bombshell dropped in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal Thursday.

It came in the form of a single line in a court order on a related insurance coverage case involving Penn State, and its full ramifications can't immediately be gauged.

But that line was eye-popping in itself.

The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."

Looks like Joe Paterno knew as early as 1976. This gets worse and worse. The cover up has been going on for decades.  :argh:
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #135 on: May 07, 2016, 08:14:43 PM »
Joe Paterno Knew of Sandusky Abuse Allegations as Early as 1976, Insurance Company Claims
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/joe-paterno-knew-sandusky-abuse-allegations-early-1976-insurance-company-n569066

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The late Penn State University football coach Joe Paterno knew about sexual abuse allegations against former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky as early as 1976, according to an assertion in a Philadelphia court order made public Thursday.

The claim emerged in a dispute over who should pay Penn State's share of about $60 million in settlements with 26 men who say Sandusky abused them when they were children — the university or its insurance company.

Previously, the abuse was widely thought to have occurred from 1994 through 2008, when Sandusky ran a youth charity called Second Mile.

This gets even worse.

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According to the order, the insurance company further claims that in 1987 and 1988, other assistant coaches witnessed "inappropriate" or "sexual" conduct between Sandusky and children, and that in 1988, a similar allegation was referred to Penn State's athletic director.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #136 on: May 07, 2016, 08:15:50 PM »
Sandusky victim: Joe Paterno told me to drop abuse accusation
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/us/jerry-sandusky-victims-paterno-penn-state/

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(CNN)After four years of feuding over the legacy of Joe Paterno, with a few vague details about what he may have known about allegations of sexual abuse by one of his coaches, it is becoming clear there may be much more.

There are now two allegations by men who say they were sexually abused by Jerry Sandusky, who also say they reported their abuse to the legendary coach in the 1970s.
One of those allegations was made public in a court order related to a lawsuit Penn State University filed against its former insurer over who should have to pay settlements to the more than 30 men who have come forward as victims of Sandusky. The victim was not identified, and the details come from a deposition that is sealed.

It even goes back to now 1971.  :mad: :argh:
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #137 on: May 08, 2016, 08:28:29 PM »
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #138 on: May 10, 2016, 10:29:41 AM »
Quote from: J P Sousa on May 08, 2016, 08:28:29 PM
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Not quite a dead horse considering how much noise has been made by the Paterno supporters that he never knew.

Good catch, Ptarmy, and thanks for posting.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #139 on: May 10, 2016, 11:31:23 AM »
A previous post by the esteemed Ptarmy, in this thread, that documents some of what he is posting now.

Quote from: Ptarmigan on August 06, 2012, 11:05:57 PM
Report: Accusers say abuse pre-'90s
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8170790/penn-state-nittany-lions-new-jerry-sandusky-accusers-say-abuse-dates-1970s-report-says

Sickening!  :argh: :puke:
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #140 on: May 26, 2016, 07:21:40 PM »
Quote from: J P Sousa on May 08, 2016, 08:28:29 PM
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Pretty serious stuff right there! It was mentioned before.
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Re: If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
« Reply #141 on: July 12, 2016, 10:05:12 PM »
Joe Paterno knew of alleged sexual abuse by Jerry Sandusky in 1976, court documents say
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/07/12/joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-sexual-assault-complaint/86982048/

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Penn State football coach Joe Paterno dismissed a sexual assault complaint made against assistant coach Jerry Sandusky by a 14-year-old boy in 1976 and the school was made aware of other allegations long before Sandusky was arrested in 2011, according to documents unsealed Tuesday in a Philadelphia courthouse.

A person deposed as part of an ongoing insurance lawsuit was asked by a lawyer if Paterno said, “I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about.”

The man, identified only as John Doe 150, confirmed in a 2014 deposition that Paterno indeed said that after the man approached him about Sandusky’s inappropriate sexual contact in a shower.

It gets more disturbing!  :argh: :puke:
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