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Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« on: January 15, 2012, 04:45:56 PM »


Rescue teams are combing the waters around a cruise liner that ran aground off the Italian coast in search of 70 people missing after thousands were evacuated from the stricken vessel.

Three people – two French passengers and a Peruvian crewman – have been confirmed dead after the Costa Concordia hit a sandbar on Friday evening near the Tuscan holiday island of Giglio, less than two hours after leaving port.

More than 3,200 holidaymakers – from Italy, Germany, France and Britain – and 1,000 crew were forced to flee the liner, which is now half submerged.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 05:21:02 PM »


Rescue teams are combing the waters around a cruise liner that ran aground off the Italian coast in search of 70 people missing after thousands were evacuated from the stricken vessel.

Three people – two French passengers and a Peruvian crewman – have been confirmed dead after the Costa Concordia hit a sandbar on Friday evening near the Tuscan holiday island of Giglio, less than two hours after leaving port.

More than 3,200 holidaymakers – from Italy, Germany, France and Britain – and 1,000 crew were forced to flee the liner, which is now half submerged.

The Guardian


What a huge mess.

Sounds like the Captain may be walking the plank soon too. 
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 07:16:55 PM »
I read on some news website yesterday, can't find it now but it was a drudge link, that the Captain was charged with, and I quote:  "manslaughter, failure to offer assistance and abandonment of the ship. Abandonment of the ship is the more serious charge."

So what did he do, leave?  "Oops! I hit a big rock, time to get the hell out of dodge!" kind of thing? How did he get off the vessel... and why?

In another article I read in the NYTimes fishwrap, there was this statement by the cruise line spokesperson: "“The route of the vessel appears to have been too close to the shore...". Ya think?!?!?! No shit!!!!!  What was your first clue, Einstein? Sounds to me like a bunch of morons are in this company.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 07:50:08 PM »
An Illinois retired couple from Chicago's northwest suburbs was listed as missing; now authorities have asked the family for photos.

Doesn't sound good.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 11:57:24 AM »
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GIGLIO, Italy - The jailed captain of the cruise ship that capsized off Tuscany made an unauthorized deviation from the programmed course, a blunder that led to its deadly crash against a reef, the ship's Italian owner said Monday.

Rescue operations were halted, meanwhile, after the Costa Concordia shifted in rough seas and fears mounted that any further shifts could cause some of the 500,000 gallons of fuel on board to leak into the pristine waters off the island of Giglio that are a protected dolphin sanctuary.

The confirmed death toll rose to six after searchers found the body of a male passenger wearing a life vest in the corridor of the above-water portion of the ship. Sixteen people are unaccounted for, including two American passengers.

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The hull shows some unbelievable damage. There's a huge rock about the size of a small garage embedded in the hull.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 12:34:57 PM »
The news reporting is very fragmented and unclear regarding the circumstances surrounding this incident that it's unbelievable.....

There are some SERIOUS shiphandling and emergency management issues here, just who the f**k  was at the helm, and why, in clear calm weather was a vessel of that size even CLOSE to that coast?  Every decent Bass boat around here has a bottom-profiling depth sounder aboard.......you're not going to convince me that the data on the water beneath her keel wasn't available to whomever was on the bridge.........

There are some reports that the crew abandoned ship first without aiding the passengers, and that there were several hours between the time she ran aground and efforts to evacuate started.  During that period there was more time than necessary to launch lifeboats, before the list became critical.  Hell....she appears to have come to rest close enough to the coast for the passengers to nearly walk ashore.

The cruise line needs to bite the bullet, and provide the known details of this incident.......they are going to have the crap sued out of them anyway, they may as well come clean.  The Captain's credentials would be a great place to start.  Since  the ultimate responsibility rests with him, I would sure as hell like to know how he wound up on the beach while there were passengers essentially held aboard by what remained of the crew being told that what happened was an "electrical problem"......

Forget the cabin, galley and entertainment staff, what kind of seamen are they hiring to crew these vessels?!?

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 02:30:41 PM »
The news reporting is very fragmented and unclear regarding the circumstances surrounding this incident that it's unbelievable.....

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Forget the cabin, galley and entertainment staff, what kind of seamen are they hiring to crew these vessels?!?

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My guess:  1) Capitan went ashore to lawyer up*.  2) Crewed by unemployed Somolia pirates.

(* I read somewhere a passanger said the Captain was seen drinking in the bar before this happened) 
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 03:00:53 PM »
The news reporting is very fragmented and unclear regarding the circumstances surrounding this incident that it's unbelievable.....

There are some SERIOUS shiphandling and emergency management issues here, just who the f**k  was at the helm, and why, in clear calm weather was a vessel of that size even CLOSE to that coast?  Every decent Bass boat around here has a bottom-profiling depth sounder aboard.......you're not going to convince me that the data on the water beneath her keel wasn't available to whomever was on the bridge.........

There are some reports that the crew abandoned ship first without aiding the passengers, and that there were several hours between the time she ran aground and efforts to evacuate started.  During that period there was more time than necessary to launch lifeboats, before the list became critical.  Hell....she appears to have come to rest close enough to the coast for the passengers to nearly walk ashore.

The cruise line needs to bite the bullet, and provide the known details of this incident.......they are going to have the crap sued out of them anyway, they may as well come clean.  The Captain's credentials would be a great place to start.  Since  the ultimate responsibility rests with him, I would sure as hell like to know how he wound up on the beach while there were passengers essentially held aboard by what remained of the crew being told that what happened was an "electrical problem"......

Forget the cabin, galley and entertainment staff, what kind of seamen are they hiring to crew these vessels?!?

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As I recently went on a cruise (oddly enough with Carnival, which owns Costa as a subsidiary), I get regular updates on this through cruisecritic.com.

The captain is charged with manslaughter, causing a shipwreck, and abandoning ship. A passenger's account of the tragedy, posted on cruisecritic.com, testified to the very late order to abandon ship, presumably after the captain himself had bailed out. The crew are being lauded as doing everything within their power to do, but the absence of leadership led to real problems.

The opening in her hull was more than 165 feet long on her port side, yet she capsized (as fully as the bottom would have allowed) on her starboard side. Strange thing, that.

The captain was promoted in 2006 and has been with Costa for I think 12 years or so. He is Italian, of course. The ship I sailed on was also captained by an Italian, but we managed to survive.

The principal cause of the shipwreck was the captain's deliberate decision to override an automated course that is suggested by the ship's computers. We were told on our cruise that virtually 90% of a ship's course is determined by computer.

The draft of these ships is remarkably shallow. The 101,000 ton Carnival Destiny's draft was only 27 feet. This is for a ship that just seems to go up and up and up and up. Why and how the ship isn't unstable is a mystery to me, but I'm sure the marine engineers know what they're doing.

The Costa Concordia is larger at 155,000 tons. Her draft is probably around 30-35 feet, max. The shallow draft helps them when it's time to tender and even at pierside.
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 03:32:27 PM »
I heard a report a while ago, I think on Sean Hannity, that said the Captain had the ship traveling so close to the small island because he was attempting to get the attention of someone on the island. Like a fly by, or a drive by or something?

So strange. The Missouri couple is still missing.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 03:58:25 PM »
i heard there is also a retired couple from MN missing.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 04:34:01 PM »
Ummm, I mean Minnesota. Not Missouri.

Sorry! That's how rumors get started. Ack!

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 05:31:38 PM »
My guess:  1) Capitan went ashore to lawyer up*.  2) Crewed by unemployed Somolia pirates.

(* I read somewhere a passanger said the Captain was seen drinking in the bar before this happened) 

So, it seems the Kennedy's are actually Italian. Who knew?

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 06:05:40 PM »


good lord look at that hole and the "pebble" stuck in it!!!!

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 07:30:29 PM »
I have been reading Cruisecritic.com as well and I also saw speculation that he was possibly "showboating" for the islanders in a move that seems to be common (lights ablaze, getting close to shore, etc...) and that they hit the rock then.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 07:36:03 PM »
I went on a carnival cruise in November....I might stick to island vacations from now on.... :???:
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 10:48:12 PM »
The news reporting is very fragmented and unclear regarding the circumstances surrounding this incident that it's unbelievable.....

There are some SERIOUS shiphandling and emergency management issues here, just who the f**k  was at the helm, and why, in clear calm weather was a vessel of that size even CLOSE to that coast?  Every decent Bass boat around here has a bottom-profiling depth sounder aboard.......you're not going to convince me that the data on the water beneath her keel wasn't available to whomever was on the bridge.........

There are some reports that the crew abandoned ship first without aiding the passengers, and that there were several hours between the time she ran aground and efforts to evacuate started.  During that period there was more time than necessary to launch lifeboats, before the list became critical.  Hell....she appears to have come to rest close enough to the coast for the passengers to nearly walk ashore.

The cruise line has already stated they are blaming the captain, they'll supply him with a defense attorney, but it's entirely his fault for deviating from the course and not following company or maritime procedures.

Italian press has reported that the Captain deviated from the programmed route, so they could do a Top Gun style fly by of the Island.  Apparently numerous captains and people in the industry retired there, and it's a not unheard of informal practice.  They're stating that in this case, the Captain was doing it as a favor to the Head Waiter or something, who was from the Island.  From the records, ships that have done that Sail By in the past, did it with smaller ships, several hundred meters farther out to sea.  There was even a note about ships of that size, being specifically warned to stay farther away from the island.

Initial reports stated that a number of the life boats couldn't be reached due to being pushed away by the listing of the ship.  Nearly all reports are saying that it was a completely uncoordinated evacuation... which we'll finding out why, just below.  Additionally, a number of people actually jumped into the water and swam to shore.

Euro news feeds, have already shown both passengers and crew announcing they had no idea how to evacuate or what to do... some even announced they had no training in evacuation procedures.  All of that was complicated by the fact that the Captain was one of the first to abandon the ship!  He was ordered back onto the ship to coordinate the evacuation by the Port Authority and Italian Coast Guard, and refused...

Check out his discussion with the Port Authority...  :o :o :o :thatsright: :censored:  First off the ship, first to prison.

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The port authority asks the captain, Francesco Schettino, how many people are left on board. He says 200-300, therefore claiming unrealistically that 4,000 people were evacuated in only 40 minutes. It quickly becomes clear he has already abandoned ship.


Schettino: "Now I'll go back up", he claims. "I came out to check out to figure out what was happening."

PA (Port Authority):"Will you be the last on board?"

Schsttino:"I will be the last on board"

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PA asks how many people still need to be evacuated.


Schettino:"I called and they told me there are about 100 people. I am coordinating the operations. But I can't go back on it. We have abandoned the ship."

PA:"Captain, did you really abandon the ship??"

Schettino:"No, no, I am here, I am coordinating the evacuation."

PA:"Captain, this is an order, now I am in charge. Get back on that ship and coordinate the operations. There are already casualties."

Schettino:"How many?"

PA:"You should tell me that! What do you want to do, go home? Now you get back on that ship and tell us what can be done, how many people are still there and what do they need."

Schettino:"Ok, OK, I am going."

(The captain will not get back on the ship)

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FWIW I could almost see some justification in sending a ships officer to take a look at the incident from the water, to give a better picture of the incident.  However, to leave thousands of people to themselves on the boat... the captain himself taking off...



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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2012, 09:52:41 AM »
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...a full half hour after the incident, Schettino was still asking for his dinner and drinks and reportedly demanded to know where his female companion's dessert was.

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The Costa line said the captain was wrong to steer so close to the island, although this video from Italian TV is said to show the Concordia, horns blaring one night last August, sailing within a few hundred feet of the island -- a course the Costa line says was authorized and approved in advance.

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The waters are turning a bit murky...

It's also being revealed that Junior Officers rebelled against him and his First Officer in mutiny, over their refusal to acknowledge the danger, issue directions, make the abandonment call, and get people to life boats... partly because, they were having dinner.   ::) :o As he abandoned the ship/passengers/and crew, they stayed on to coordinate efforts as best they could.  Sounds like there may have been some real heroes on board.    
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2012, 10:05:47 AM »
I heard the Italian Coast Guard in a conversation with the Captain... the Coast Guard official was yelling at the captain to get back aboard.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2012, 12:25:02 PM »
I heard the Italian Coast Guard in a conversation with the Captain... the Coast Guard official was yelling at the captain to get back aboard.

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What a clusterf**k.......I've taken a few cruises in the past, all on much smaller vessels.  All crewed by experienced personnel (typically former naval), mostly Scandinavian or Greek.

Present company acknowledged, and with the full realization that there are a lot of cruise ships out there conducting many safe voyages, I've been reticent about cruises for a while.......it seems far too frequently that they manage to (as in this case) run aground, plow into the pier, or another vessel, catch fire.......or the entire passenger complement comes down with some communicable disease......I'll pass.......

A friend of our oldest son owns several large bluewater tugboats that he uses in the Gulf to move oil rigs around, and only last year, a Carnival cruise ship rammed one of his tugs which was legally moored to a buoy in Galveston Bay, doing nearly 2 million dollars in damage and injuring one of his crewmen.  Carnival's excuse was that the "computer" was at the helm at that time as well.....WTF, over.......

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2012, 01:22:44 PM »
The draft of these ships is remarkably shallow. The 101,000 ton Carnival Destiny's draft was only 27 feet. This is for a ship that just seems to go up and up and up and up. Why and how the ship isn't unstable is a mystery to me, but I'm sure the marine engineers know what they're doing.

Moment of righting, and the differences between metacenter, center of gravity, and center of ballast (all coming back to me VERY slowly from my Navy ROTC days.)

Basically, the greater the difference between the center of ballast (lowest one) and center of gravity and metacenter, the more inherently stable a ship can be.  This can be accomplished by placing the larger and heavier items nearest the keel, which means all the machinery, variable and fixed ballast, etc.  For all the pretty lights, etc., not a whole lot of mass near the top of the superstructure.
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2012, 01:42:27 PM »
Holy shit that Captain is absolutely horrible.  I can't believe what a coward he is.






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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2012, 01:54:16 PM »
Holy shit that Captain is absolutely horrible.  I can't believe what a coward he is.

Yeah, hazarding a vessel is bad enough, but his actions afterward are absolutely unconscionable.

He's a one-man argument for bringing back keelhauling.
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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2012, 02:05:59 PM »
Yeah, hazarding a vessel is bad enough, but his actions afterward are absolutely unconscionable.

He's a one-man argument for bringing back keelhauling.

If someone could really "die of embarrassment" his parents should.  How awful, if they are still alive, to know what a piece of shit you raised.






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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2012, 02:09:37 PM »
makes ya appreciate people like capt sully even more

anyone heard if they found the MN couple yet. I havent.

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Re: Three killed as Italian cruise ship runs aground
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 03:31:46 PM »
Well damn... The conversation between the Captain and the Port Authority was horrifying, the now released conversation between the Captain and the Coast Guard is even worse.   :thatsright: