Let's move the DUmb ghetto kids into the upper crust school districts

[Tucker]

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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:04 PM

Snake Alchemist (1,146 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

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It's time to end the idea of school districts.
If little Johnny from the wrong side of the tracks wants to go to Upper-class HS and he can get from home and back then let him go. You'll see school improvement nationwide almost immediately.

Let me see...Your idea is to move students that can't count to eleven without taking off a shoe and letting them enroll in a high performance school district and that district would have a higher rating.

No wonder you're called a DUmmy.

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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 02:01 PM

Star Member Drale (5,855 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Heres the thing your not looking at

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a great majority of the problem is parents. Kids with parents who care do better in school, no matter what school they are at. Parents have to start taking responsibility or they should not have kids.

Here's the problem:

The problems with public schools, besides being union controlled, is they have created their own monster and then blame others.

They pass students to the next level to get rid of them. This practice continues all through High School. Upon graduation, little Leroy and Leshonda can't read, add two plus two and thinks there are 57 states in the USA.

Leroy gets married to Leshonda who have their first baby, Lomas, 6 months later. Little Lomas starts school and is advanced to the next grade without the ability to read or write.

The unionized public school teacher then blames Leroy and Leshonda for not being involved in Lomas's education. Leroy and Leshonda can't help Lomas because of the prior failure of the unionized public school educator.

The unionized public school educator will then demand more money to solve the problem, when they are the problem.

It's so convenient.

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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:23 PM

meaculpa2011 (42 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Any child in America...

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should be able to attend any public school in America.

The bureaucrats would all have nervous breakdowns, but until quality education for all becomes a reality parents should have the right to seek out the best schools for their children.

You do realize that teacher salaries would drop.

School districts that want higher standards, pass millages to better fund their district. If students from poorer outlying districts overcrowd better funded districts, then the residents would no longer pass millages. No millage, no funding for salary increase.

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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 03:30 PM

Star Member JDPriestly (29,359 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
21. Where there's a will there's a way when it comes to picking a good school.

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But you can't get into an overcrowded school. And many of the schools with top reputations are already very full. That's the problem. Usually people from the neighborhood around the school get the first choice to go to that school.

Better schools tend to be in neighborhoods with better educated, more affluent parents. That's just the reality.

Each child is different. A school with really high test scores may or may not be the right place for a child from a disadvantaged home. That child may feel really left behind in the school where all the other children have much larger vocabularies and more help at home. A teacher in a school with scores that are not so high may actually take more time with kids who need more help.

It just isn't so simple. I believe in neighborhood schools until high school with the exception of special needs children -- whether the special needs are those of the highly gifted or the disabled.

Awaiting the snakes reply to this one.

[dixierose]

Sounds like a voucher system to me...

[NHSparky]

I'm thinking the DUmmies haven't been watching the movie "Waiting for Superman" lately.

If they did, their ****ing heads would explode.

[JohnnyReb]

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 Any child in America...

should be able to attend any public school in America.

Right toe! ...and southern states have a few million we are willing to ship today.

[Airwolf]

Yep lets try that "Bussing" thing again where kids from one side of town go to the other side and nothing was accomplished except to make the politicians feel good and the poor kids might have gotten better food but not much else out of it. It didn't work then and won't work now but that's never stopped a liberal from wasting money

[NHSparky]

Yep lets try that "Bussing" thing again where kids from one side of town go to the other side and nothing was accomplished except to make the politicians feel good and the poor kids might have gotten better food but not much else out of it. It didn't work then and won't work now but that's never stopped a liberal from wasting money

Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Sounds like a voucher system to me...

My first thought.

[JohnnyReb]

Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.

It was a race riot...white riot...same as a black riot minus the burning and stealing.

Typical liberal reaction to laws/rules intended for "THOSE" other people.

[Carl]

The OP is very clever.

[jukin]

Afraid not DUche. The schools would all get dumbed down

[JohnnyReb]

Afraid not DUche. The schools would all get dumbed down

That's racist......but correct.

[Airwolf]

Not to mention when they tried it in "enlightened" liberal areas like Boston it damn near resulted in race rioting.

It was on the news almost every week the kids practically tried to kill each other over it.

[zeitgeist]

It was a race riot...white riot...same as a black riot minus the burning and stealing.

Typical liberal reaction to laws/rules intended for "THOSE" other people.

They voted with their feet.  Trust me, it was a trip, innocents abroad, to meet the refugees from Beantown in the woods of Maine and to a lesser extent New Hampshire.  Ah, the stories I could tell.  And then they wanted what they had left, street lights, cops, sewer, water,    real estate prices went through the roof along with taxes to build new schools for their little darlings.  Looting and stealing would have been better for Maine, much of it still hasn't recovered.  That was about the time I remember first hearing the epithet MassHole. They use to come and vacation in the summer, leave their money, then go home.  Those were the days.

[NHSparky]

It's been almost 40 years, and they have yet to figure out that "Masshole" is NOT a term of endearment.

[delilahmused]

Maybe if they'd concentrate more on basic skills and less on "social studies" and other feel good multicultural bullshit children would learn to add & read. To this day my son has never used the important skill of building pueblos with empty Jello containers, cereal boxes & plaster. He didn't learn one piece of American history in public school beyond what they got on Washington & Jefferson's birthdays & dinner with the native Americans on Thanksgiving.

But one of the most critical problems, and I don't honestly have a clue how to fix this, is not every child learns the same way. Out of necessity, I guess, most schools only teach one way. Jake is a very hands on, physical learner. I think this is where the whole "dumb jock" thing comes from. You give one of these kids a new exercise, game, etc. and they pick it up right away. Every single subject can be adapted to different learning styles but there's just no way to do this in every classroom. They used to have this kind of thing for students they considered Talented & Gifted but often these were the kids who needed them the least.

And these kids can be taught to learn the traditional way but most simply aren't ready when they're in grade school. There's actually a school of thought that says boys, especially, shouldn't start school until they're 10 because prior to that (because boys and girls are different...who knew) boys are naturally developing their large motor skills while girls are working on fine motor skills. It's why girls usually have an easier time sitting skill and paying attention.

At this point I think the best option for kids who learn differently is homeschool.

Cindie

[Ballygrl]

People in gated communities talk a good game, but they don't want kids from the ghetto in their schools at all. Do you really think elite leftists in places like NYC would allow that?

[Tucker]

I do know that most DUmmies will graduate from reform school, if they graduate from any school at all.

Right Mrs. Dawson?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.

Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans (  ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.

[jtyangel]

Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans (  ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.

B-I-N-G-O!

[zeitgeist]

People in gated communities talk a good game, but they don't want kids from the ghetto in their schools at all. Do you really think elite leftists in places like NYC would allow that?

My NYC lifetime liberal amigo sent his kids to private school.   But he believes strongly in Pubik Edukation, honest he does. 

He doesn't see it as being a hypocrite just giving his kids all the advantages. 

[JohnnyReb]

For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.

Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans (  ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.

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Jesse, Al and all the liberal politicians.

[cmypay]

B-I-N-G-O!

Which would then stand to reason that allowing a child from "the wrong side of the tracks" to attend the "good" public school would automatically raise his/her scores. However, they have to return to that environment every night and still will behave the way those around them do. And so the cycle continues.  How about we bus the teachers?

[Celtic Rose]

A great deal of learning occurs at home.  A child surrounded by talkative adults and people who read will naturally have better language skills than a child who watches TV all day, even "educational" programming.  A child with a parent who reads to them regularly will be much better prepared to learn to read, or may even know how to read, when they start school.  Plus, do they have somebody at home to help them with homework, or even make sure that they finish it? 

Moving them to a different school may help them some academically, but if they are returning to the same home environment it may not be as dramatic as people expect.  They would have a significant amount of catching up to do.  If a family and culture of a child doesn't value education, then there is really fairly little that the school itself can do.   

[zeitgeist]

For the record, these kids aren't dumb. They've been betrayed by a culture of permissiveness, lazy parents and dependency fueled by crony unions and demagogic politicians.

Genetically, they're no different from the rest of you humans (  ) they are just the inevitiable product of the environment provided by their supposed caretakers.

Ok lets review:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-R0FTfkPAQ[/youtube]

[Tucker]

Many of these under performing kids have parents that are a product of a public school education.

They themselves can neither read nor write .