Thug killed by CCW packing diner trying to rob Waffle House at gunpoint

[Tucker]

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(9,843 posts) Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:48 AM

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Robber killed in SC Waffle House shooting by customer
SPARTANBURG, S.C. — The Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office says a man attempting to rob a local Waffle House at gunpoint was shot and killed by a customer carrying a concealed weapon.

Lt. Tony Ivey says two men entered the restaurant early Saturday morning and at least one was carrying a handgun. A customer with a concealed weapons permit drew his gun, and fired when one of the suspects pointed the weapon at him.

Spartanburg County Coroner Charles Clevenger identified the dead man as Dante Lamont Williams of Roebuck, who turned 19 years old on Saturday.
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http://www.thestate.com/2012/01/21/2122485/police-robber-killed-in-sc-waffle.html

Told you them Waffle Houses were dangerous!
Wonder if they gave him free hash browns?

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Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:51 AM

Star Member Nye Bevan (5,505 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Don't rob stores with customers in concealed carry states

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would seem to be the message from this. Robbers in places like New York City can be much more comfortable that the bystanders will be defenseless.

True but urban DUmmies don't want to hear that.

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Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:09 PM

Star Member marmar (52,748 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. "Wise criminals who rob and pillage .. practice their profession in cities like New York or Chicago"

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The sh*t you read on DU sometimes......

To wit...

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 11:58 AM

Star Member rfranklin (11,100 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. Was there any chance that it could have gone the other way?

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Is there something about concealed carry that renders one invulnerable to bullets?

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Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:08 PM

Star Member The Straight Story (36,801 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. There was a chance it could have gone a lot of ways, which would you prefer

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To be sitting there without a way to defend yourself/loved ones or having a gun to level the playing field?

Notice the guy with the conceal carry was obeying the law, the guy without it was using the gun in a crime.


The one without it would not care how many laws were made about guns, he would ignore them. And those are the people you have to worry about anyway.

Sadly, we have learned (through bush and terror) to fear each other and believe we are all the enemy. Looks like they really won.

The Straight story makes his allotment of one lucid post per year. This is only January. It's going to be a long year.

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Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:15 PM

Star Member Warpy (62,000 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Thus making robbery a capital crime

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The CCW guy acted as judge and jury. Unless there was reason to think everyone was in danger (and having a gun waved at them isn't necessarily that big a threat, the guy just didn't want any heroes to try to tackle them), the shooting is unjustified.

A clearer case was here in town when a woman's ex attacked her with a knife and had cut her badly when someone with a CCW shot him. In that case, it probably saved a life even as it took one.

People with guns need to be a lot clearer on what constitutes a grave threat and what does not.

Nobody is going to mourn the punk in that story but his family. Still, you don't know what he might have become once he'd grown up. Most people do redeem themselves after misspent youth. I did.

What a ****ing idiot.

If she were in a store being robbed, I'd pay the thug to shoot her.

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Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:35 PM

Snake Alchemist (477 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. I agree. He should have waited until after the robber killed or at least wounded someone. nt

It's being serious.

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Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:03 PM

Star Member LonePirate (988 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
30. Why wasn't the robber shot in the leg to take him down?

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If CCW holders are trained and expert gun handlers, why didn't he shoot the robber in the leg. The instinct to protect oneself is often muddled by a thirst to kill and that itself is wrong.

There is nothing good to come from this story.

Willfully ignorant and watches too much Hollywood BS.

Response to Warpy (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:14 PM

Star Member fascisthunter (25,836 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
34. THANK YOU!

Responding to the warped one.

[Rebel]

Hey DUmbasses, in Georgia we can use deadly force to prevent a felony. Wanna know how many crimes are considered felonies? 

I love my state. ...and yes, Tucker, they are ****ing idiots.

[GOBUCKS]

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:15 PM

Star Member Warpy (62,000 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Thus making robbery a capital crime

Nobody is going to mourn the punk in that story but his family. Still, you don't know what he might have become once he'd grown up. Most people do redeem themselves after misspent youth. I did.

I don't believe DUmmy Warpy, she with a face like Hindenberg's, was a youth when expelled from the nursing profession for pilfering the pharmaceuticals.

If she's redeemed herself since moving into impoverished exile in the desert, it's not apparent from her vicious, hateful persona.

All that raw fleece she plugs her plumbing with is likely torn by hand from the unfortunate beasts.

[jukin]

Dante Lamont Williams, Swedish dude?

[Skul]

Dante Lamont Williams, Swedish dude?

...and a Lutheran. 

[movie buff]

As soon as I saw the title of this, I knew there were going to be at least a couple idiots responding in the ways that Warpy and LonePirate did. Freaking imbeciles.

[JohnnyReb]

you don't know what he might have become once he'd grown up...he was 19 and old enough to vote for Obama...he was grown in my book. Younger, better men have died to protect his ass and that right.

why didn't he shoot the robber in the leg. Well, why not shoot the gun out of his hand....because we ain't all movie stars and this wasn't no movie.
REALITY DUmmies...it gets ugly.

The CCW guy acted as judge and jury. ...and the criminal was acting like...well...a dangerous criminal...a quick and speedy trial was in order.

Tucker daid, "If she were in a store being robbed, I'd pay the thug to shoot her." ...Hell, I'll help you take up a collection and make it worth their while.

[miskie]

"why didn't he shoot the robber in the leg" - because shooting the robber in the leg is just going to piss him off ?

[GOBUCKS]

"why didn't he shoot the robber in the leg" - because shooting the robber in the leg is just going to piss him off ?

DUmpmonkeys think that when someone is shot, he's thrown violently backward, like on TV, so any hit is incapacitating.

They also believe that when a car goes over a cliff, it bursts into flames halfway down.

[JohnnyReb]

"why didn't he shoot the robber in the leg" - because shooting the robber in the leg is just going to piss him off ?

I've never shot anyone but I've always held the thought that once I fire a shot, don't shooting until they stop moving.

[Odin's Hand]

"why didn't he shoot the robber in the leg" - because shooting the robber in the leg is just going to piss him off ?

The first shot should always be a kill shot. Wounding just gives them another opportunity to take your life/others' lives.

[jukin]

I've never shot anyone but I've always held the thought that once I fire a shot, don't shooting until they stop moving.

Yep, anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice, three, four...

[Carl]

I learned long ago that you never point a weapon with finger on the trigger at anything unless you intend to kill it.

[NHSparky]

I learned long ago that you never point a weapon with finger on the trigger at anything unless you intend to kill it.

There are always a few intervening steps, but basically, yes.

DUmmies, it's very simple.

Don't point a weapon at someone unless you mean to pull the trigger.
Don't pull the trigger unless you mean to hit them.
Don't hit them unless you mean to kill them.

The gun is ALWAYS LOADED.  Even when you're SURE it isn't, it is.

[tanstaafl]

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 12:15 PM

Star Member Warpy (62,000 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Thus making robbery a capital crime

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The CCW guy acted as judge and jury. Unless there was reason to think everyone was in danger (and having a gun waved at them isn't necessarily that big a threat, the guy just didn't want any heroes to try to tackle them), the shooting is unjustified.

A clearer case was here in town when a woman's ex attacked her with a knife and had cut her badly when someone with a CCW shot him. In that case, it probably saved a life even as it took one.

People with guns need to be a lot clearer on what constitutes a grave threat and what does not.

Nobody is going to mourn the punk in that story but his family. Still, you don't know what he might have become once he'd grown up. Most people do redeem themselves after misspent youth. I did.

Two points of contension with the Warped One.
#1: The shooting was justifiable. The punk wasn't shot and killed, nor did the CCW holder draw his weapon, until he turned his gun on the CCW holder. Confronting force with like force.
#2 We do so certainly know what the punk would have become once he grew older. He was nineteen. That's an adult in this country. If that punk would have survived the confrontation he would have just become an older punk bent on more and more mayhem and destruction.

Besides, winging the fool would be inviting a lawsuit.

Congratulations to the armed citizen. Protecting Life, Liberty and Property, the essence of what this country is all about.

[Rebel]

The first shot should always be a kill shot. Wounding just gives them another opportunity to take your life/others' lives.

Not to mention, Black Talons are expensive. If he comes at me again after I blow a hole in his leg the first time, I'd have to fire again. That's like over 4 dollars wasted on two rounds.


Hey, just doing what the DUmmies had a thread about yesterday, I'm "sacrificing".  

[Tucker]

I have always believed that if you didn't take the punk out, when opportunity arose, he would, at a later date, kill someone who was unable to defend them self.

[Rebel]

Then again, if I do hit him in the leg with a Black Talon, he's liable to bleed out anyway after I sever his f'n femoral artery. Hmm, what's better DUmbasses? 

[jukin]

You know we all getting upset at just the usual DUmbassery and splitting hairs. Step back and appreciate a good short story with a happy ending. It brought a tear to my eye when I reread it. Beautiful, just ****ing beautiful.

The bottom line to any lurking DUmbasses is that the body count could have been much higher and the fine young man with his entire life ahead of him could still be free to kill more innocent people.

[Doc Savage]

This is a comment from the article that is linked in the initial post,

First of all I would like to say thank you to the Waffle House customer of the year. This gentleman should never have to pay to eat at a Waffle House any where in the country for the rest of his life.

You want to save tax payer money and help reduce crime. May I respectfully suggest the following?

Change every state and federal law to make anyone who uses a firearm in the cases of self-defense or the defense of others life and or property and is then cleared by the D.A. or appropriate legal authority as justified in the use of that firearm then that person shall be given cash reward of $100,000 for the apprehending of or for the assisting law enforcement in the apprehension of the criminal or criminals involved. This reward would be at least $500,000 or 25% of the estimated cost (whichever is greater) of a trial, imprisonment, and or cost of execution if the criminal is killed during the commissioning their crime. The reward will be free of both federal and state taxes.

Somehow, I do not see the same type of posts on DU, but then again I would be suprised if I did.  How long till that blow hard Iverglass chimes in?

[DumbAss Tanker]

I've never shot anyone but I've always held the thought that once I fire a shot, don't shooting until they stop moving.

Yes.  I used to have it as my sigline at TOS, but it's as true as ever was: 

"Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice."

[docstew]

Then again, if I do hit him in the leg with a Black Talon, he's liable to bleed out anyway after I sever his f'n femoral artery. Hmm, what's better DUmbasses? 

Thzat's the point behind every shot being a kill shot. It reduces the suffering of the shootee.

[Airwolf]

Anyone that,s taken any kind of shooting classes ,whether its civilain or military are taught to shoot center mass. No other place counts. For you idiots over at DU thats dead in the ****in chest where it does the most damage and stops any thug dead . It's been that way for about as long as guns have been used.  Here's another thought for you DUMbasses. If you don't go around robbing and threatning people with guns then you don't get shot.

[dutch508]

I've never shot anyone but I've always held the thought that once I fire a shot, don't shooting until they stop moving.

All that Hollywood shit will get you killed. Shoot centermass on the target. We used to call it shooting bowling pins. The center core of the body is the critical areas.

Remember:
Two to the heart and one tothe head,
Will always insure the ****er is dead.

[anybodybutthisguy]

Two points of contension with the Warped One.
#1: The shooting was justifiable. The punk wasn't shot and killed, nor did the CCW holder draw his weapon, until he turned his gun on the CCW holder. Confronting force with like force.
#2 We do so certainly know what the punk would have become once he grew older. He was nineteen. That's an adult in this country. If that punk would have survived the confrontation he would have just become an older punk bent on more and more mayhem and destruction.

Besides, winging the fool would be inviting a lawsuit.

Congratulations to the armed citizen. Protecting Life, Liberty and Property, the essence of what this country is all about.

Either way, its fun to hear someone with a CCW being in the right place at the right time.  Who knows what this kid would have done.  The young make bad decisions and his bad decision could have been somebody's loved one.  Congrats to this guy for cleaning the gene pool!