The muslim president is holding women back

[Tucker]

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Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:23 AM

Star Member xchrom

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Why Does Everything Seem to Be Going Wrong for Women's Progress?
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/153537/why_does_everything_seem_to_be_going_wrong_for_women%27s_progress/

From headlines last week alone: “Women have made no significant gains in the last year and are no further along the corporate ladder than they were six years ago.” The only woman hosting a network Sunday talk show (and that redoubt of monochromatic smugness still matters for something) moved on after what’s generally believed to be failure, to be replaced by the guy who held the job before her.

The top woman in the Defense Department walked away from the job, at least for now. Despite the success of “Bridesmaids” and the fact that Kathryn Bigelow won an Oscar for best director two years ago, the early awards show indications aren’t looking good for women who aren’t actresses. (What, once wasn’t enough for you?) Only one of the 11 new inductees to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame — and less than 14 percent of all of them, ever — are women. The only female runner-up to be Time magazine’s Person of the Year is Kate Middleton, who, to be fair, did look very pretty in her wedding dress.

Of course, as sick as I am of reading “where are the women” stories (or writing them, again and again), the stories aren’t so much the problem as the grindingly repetitive circumstances that keep generating them. On the micro level, it’s easier to dismiss each individual example (maybe it just wasn’t the right job for Christiane Amanpour, who will be just fine in her dual roles at ABC and CNN!) and to lament that each woman has to stand for so much more than herself. In the aggregate, it feels like an incessant game of one step forward, two steps back for women — whether your preferred explanations are discrimination and systemic barriers to women’s progress in the workplace like family leave policies, an “ambition gap,” or some sort of natural order of things.

Aren't women considered 2nd class people in the Arab world?

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Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:28 AM

Star Member w8liftinglady
1. I agree...women's rights seem to be going in reverse.

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From anti-choice legislation to outsourcing of jobs to media presentation of women in advertising,we have taken a major step back.

Please don't burn your bra again. You'll need a longer dress.

New campfire.

[Gina]

I am doing pretty damn good climbing up that ladder.  Maybe it's the "tude" that is screwing up career paths 

[USA4ME]

Libs would expect such treatment from the corporate world, but Hollywood and the music industry turning their backs on them?  I'm sure they have all the right excuses.

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[jtyangel]

Please! Feminists are ultimately pissed that they have not been able to topple the natural order of things. They are in a tizzy because despite their best efforts women still aspire to be wives and mothers, that even successful women still like a good romp in the hay with a pillaging, evil *gasp* man(bonus gasp if he's conservative, white, and Christian) , and that women know their options, but still choose differently then what feminists want them to.

[Aristotelian]

When I was first born, and for the first eleven years of my life the top two people in my country were women: H.M. the Queen and Margaret [now Lady] Thatcher.

One was a Conservative politician. The other represented one of the most profoundly conservative institutions in the world. Both are hated by the British equivalents of the DUmmies.

Neither is a nasty bra-burning feminist, but are charming people by all accounts.

[Karin]

The lunatic checks in. 

Response to xchrom (Original post)
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:44 AM
 lunatica (19,918 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

4. Teabaggeratti politics is what's happening

I'm 63. I remember when things were really bad for women and all minorities. Things seem to be regressing as far as women's rights go in many states which now have Teabag governors who are busy trying to pass anti-women legislation. But it's also not going so well for other minorities, so it isn't just women. Anti voter laws are being created. Anti union laws are being created. Anti poverty laws are being created.

The answer isn't all that hard to see. Teabag governors and Congresspeople. They're gonna fight to the bitter end. Their bitter end. 

A poor little victim, full of B.S.  What are these laws that you are jabbering about? 

Anyway, another DUmmie, Le Taz Hot, uses as a sig line, an interesting contrast to Aristotelian's post:

Remember, well-behaved women rarely make history.
 

[jtyangel]

What the hell is an anti-poverty law? One would think that would be a good thing...

[JohnnyReb]

I bet the Muslim president doesn't beat Moochelle.....even lightly.

[Celtic Rose]

Remember, well-behaved women rarely make history.

This quote has always bothered me a bit.  I think it is the implication that misbehavior is the only way that a woman can be remembered, and I simply don't think it is true.  Many of the famous women that we remember from centuries past behaved as ladies, even when they did the unexpected.  Women authors, even though they had to be published under a pseudonym, did not behave like mad women when they were not writing.  Also, it is arguable that the vast majority of women that are remembered in western history are saints and other religious figures, or royalty who would have been remembered regardless. 

[Chris_]

This quote has always bothered me a bit.  I think it is the implication that misbehavior is the only way that a woman can be remembered, and I simply don't think it is true.  Many of the famous women that we remember from centuries past behaved as ladies, even when they did the unexpected.  Women authors, even though they had to be published under a pseudonym, did not behave like mad women when they were not writing.  Also, it is arguable that the vast majority of women that are remembered in western history are saints and other religious figures, or royalty who would have been remembered regardless. 

Some women cling to that phrase as an excuse for obnoxious and shitty behavior.

Being annoying is not the same as having a personality. 

[jtyangel]

This quote has always bothered me a bit.  I think it is the implication that misbehavior is the only way that a woman can be remembered, and I simply don't think it is true.  Many of the famous women that we remember from centuries past behaved as ladies, even when they did the unexpected.  Women authors, even though they had to be published under a pseudonym, did not behave like mad women when they were not writing.  Also, it is arguable that the vast majority of women that are remembered in western history are saints and other religious figures, or royalty who would have been remembered regardless. 

Hi5, CR. It's always bothered me as well. I tend to think a strong stand from a more reserved and refined woman tends to be more memorable then another incident of misbehavior from a mouthy, uncultured party girl. I've found the women who lke to use this quote generally use it to justify the most unrefined, boorish, disgusting behavior on their own part. But that kind of behavior works for these gals because it has a payoff: attention, even if it's bad attention.

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Aren't women considered 2nd class people in the Arab world?

No. In muslim society they are considered livestock.

[tanstaafl]

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Aren't women considered 2nd class people in the Arab world?

Please don't burn your bra again. You'll need a longer dress.

New campfire.

Second class citizens? Hell, they're property of their fathers, or their husbands.

[Tucker]

I bet the Muslim president doesn't beat Moochelle.....even lightly.

She walks three steps behind him.

[Mr Mannn]

Remember, well-behaved women rarely make history.

On the other hand, poorly-behaved women rarely keep jobs...