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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on February 29, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
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Star Member undeterred (31,146 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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Why are kids shooting other kids at school?
Yeah, this is a current events post. I was at work all day and I can't wrap my mind around this news story where 3 kids have died because somebody brought a gun to school. How does this keep happening? What makes a kid do this?
Liberal parenting policies.
You don't believe in discipline, therefore kids have no respect for authority. They know nothing can happen to them.
If a parent disciplines their kid, the kid calls the police who then throws the parent in jail.
You brought this on yourself. Live with it.
msongs (25,284 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. because it's so easy to get guns nt
Nope. It's harder to get guns today than it was 50 years ago.
Some idiot got shot in Dallas then things got worse.
Star Member Drahthaardogs (590 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. No. Because kids have no respect for parents, teachers, or each other.
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I blame it on helicopter parents, a neutered school system, and parenting via xbox. I went to a rural high school, half of the senior boys had rifles in their trucks during deer season and shotguns during duck season. We never had issues.
Guns are not any easier to get today than they were in the past. Society has changed.
Dirty freeper mole.
wendylaroux (7 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. mental illness
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seems to be alot of that in this country, and every where else for that matter.
You just checked into the asylum.
tularetom (15,520 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. Maybe it's a consequence of school authorities ignoring bullying
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I heard that the kid who did the shooting was an outcast type who was bullied by other kids.
If the people in charge of the school did nothing to discourage the bullies and the kid felt he had nowhere to turn, well... Of course it's an extreme reaction and it's unacceptable but apparently it wasn't corrected.
They'll never be able to stop bully type behavior but it seems they just sort of wink at it these days.
Liberalism is the cause of bullying too.
Y'all think that all kids have equal abilities.
Little Johnny, a momma's boy, doesn't know which end of a bat to hold. Because the coach won't allow him to play on the baseball team, you sue. After causing the team to lose, cause little Johnny sucks. Members of the team beat his ass. You then blame everyone else because you raised a girly boy.
Little Johnny flunks a History test. The test asks who was the 43rd President and little Johnny answers Al Gore. It was stolen by George Bush and the Supreme Court. You think his answer is correct, so you get a lawyer and sue. Because of the negative publicity that the case bring on the school, smart students lose scholarships. Little Johnny gets his ass whooped. You then blame everyone else because you raised a DUmmy.
Star Member SidDithers (19,721 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. In this case, it may have been because the shooter's former girlfriend...
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started dating one of the kids who was killed.
Raging hormones and unrequited love can be a tragic combination.
Sid
C'mon Sid. That excuse is as old as the hills.
Didn't Shakespeare cover that one?
Tom Ripley (511 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
28. Forced Moment of Silence and recitation of The Pledge of Allegiance
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We had none of that shit when I was attending school, and no one ever brought a gun to school and started killing people.
There's no sarcasm tag. I wonder if he's serious or not.
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Because you liberal bastards took over the education system and started systematically drugging all of the ****ing kids up, you Communist goons.
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You want to know why, DUmmies?
You. You did it. Well, maybe not you directly, but your mindset certainly has a lot to do with it.
Back not so long ago, kids were bullies, and kids were bullied. But the bullied kids could fight back without fear of being punished under the zero-tolerance bullshit, and the bullies usually found out--usually the hard way--that kids would fight back eventually.
But you put a stop to all that. Nobody fights, and nobody gets hurt, at least that's what you thought would happen. But something much worse happened.
Both the bullies and the bullied stepped it up a few notches, because the bullies knew they wouldn't face trouble from either those they harmed or those in authority, and because the bullied couldn't fight back for fear not from being beaten up, but from being punished for defending themselves.
So both sides decided to up the ante, and a lot of kids decided to go the whole nine yards, some because they were psycho little shits with no fear of punishment or anyone who would stop them, and others because they saw no other way to stop the torment, since the system that was supposed to protect them had abandoned them.
Yeah, you created it. Had you not stepped in and made defending yourself the same level of wrong as those who picked on others, and had you not stepped in and coddled the bullies who should have had their asses kicked, this wouldn't have gotten to the point it has today, DUmmies.
Think about it.
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You want to know why, DUmmies?
You. You did it. Well, maybe not you directly, but your mindset certainly has a lot to do with it.
Back not so long ago, kids were bullies, and kids were bullied. But the bullied kids could fight back without fear of being punished under the zero-tolerance bullshit, and the bullies usually found out--usually the hard way--that kids would fight back eventually.
But you put a stop to all that. Nobody fights, and nobody gets hurt, at least that's what you thought would happen. But something much worse happened.
Both the bullies and the bullied stepped it up a few notches, because the bullies knew they wouldn't face trouble from either those they harmed or those in authority, and because the bullied couldn't fight back for fear not from being beaten up, but from being punished for defending themselves.
So both sides decided to up the ante, and a lot of kids decided to go the whole nine yards, some because they were psycho little shits with no fear of punishment or anyone who would stop them, and others because they saw no other way to stop the torment, since the system that was supposed to protect them had abandoned them.
Yeah, you created it. Had you not stepped in and made defending yourself the same level of wrong as those who picked on others, and had you not stepped in and coddled the bullies who should have had their asses kicked, this wouldn't have gotten to the point it has today, DUmmies.
Think about it.
^^^^^This!
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These high school shootings happen under demokrat presidents, not under republicans.
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Always on target Sparky. Hi 5.
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Star Member undeterred (31,146 posts)
Why are kids shooting other kids at school?
Yeah, this is a current events post. I was at work all day and I can't wrap my mind around this news story where 3 kids have died because somebody brought a gun to school. How does this keep happening? What makes a kid do this?
Because willfully ignorant and lazy leftist ****s (like you) decided that morals and ethics were situational, human life was cheap, parents needed to ask the government before they could spank little Johnny's ass, bearing children out of wedlock could be a lucrative profession, patriots were suckers, and the unborn could be killed at the whim of their mother. You preached a sermon of anything goes for 40+ years and now you are shocked that kids are this screwed up?
:whatever:
You sowed the wind, now you are reaping the whirlwind. Eat it, leftist scum, it's all yours.
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Can anyone post one fact that Madcow has ever found ? I hardly think she even knows where they exsist.
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Because willfully ignorant and lazy leftist ****s (like you) decided that morals and ethics were situational, human life was cheap, parents needed to ask the government before they could spank little Johnny's ass, bearing children out of wedlock could be a lucrative profession, patriots were suckers, and the unborn could be killed at the whim of their mother. You preached a sermon of anything goes for 40+ years and now you are shocked that kids are this screwed up?
:whatever:
You sowed the wind, now you are reaping the whirlwind. Eat it, leftist scum, it's all yours.
Well said, Wasp.
Well said.
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Well said, Wasp.
Well said.
Thank you, sir. :-)
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Well said, Wasp.
Well said.
Well said, Big Dog.
Well said.
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iverglas
56. that's a bit of a false dichotomy
The reality is that firearms are not going to be banned in our lifetimes.
Nobody here is suggesting they would or shoud be. There is a very long spectrum between the situation that exists in the US and banning firearms.
Generally speaking, people are only charged with allowing children access to firearms (or some other child-welfare related offence) once the child has taken the firearm and caused death or injury with it. There aren't a lot of laws in the US requiring safe/secure storage. Laws themselves do not alter behaviour, but laws + enforcement when the occasion arises + widespread public education and information campaigns can have an effect.
Such laws would also have an effect on the number of firearms stolen and put into criminal circulation. In the article I cited lower down the thread, a child got the father's handgun from his bedroom. (The old gun in the nighstand?) A burglar could have got it as easily, and does hundreds of times a year. Negligent storage has all kinds of knock-on effects.
But in the case of kids who are not gang-involved who take guns to school and shoot people, access in the home is the really big issue.
MineralMan (41,002 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
62. Laws regarding storage won't mean that firearms
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are properly stored. All they will accomplish is provide a way to punish those who didn't store them properly after the fact. Some people will continue to keep firearms in unsafe places, despite the laws. Laws are used for punishment, not for getting people to do things, and people very commonly ignore them, as we can see every day on any freeway.
There are laws against drunk driving, too, and yet...
A far more effective way to deal with the rare incidents where a school student shoots people is to be aware of the things that contribute to the rage that induces such a student to act. If we were willing to work from that end of the situation, we'd have far better success than throwing new firearms storage laws at the problem. Think about it.
iverglas (36,844 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
68. I guess I didn't type what I thought I'd typed
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Or you just decided to ignore it.
Laws regarding storage won't mean that firearms
are properly stored.
I SAID that laws alone do not accomplish much. I SAID that what was needed was enforcement when the occasion arose -- but which I did NOT mean only after harm had been done. No one is suggesting warrantless searches to check for loose firearms, but there are definitely occasions when such situations are observed and nothing is done about them. And I SAID that public education and information campaigns are an important element.
There are laws against drunk driving, too, and yet...
... and yet ... rates of drunk driving have plummeted, at least where I am. Laws, enforcement, and public information and education campaigns. Like I said.
A far more effective way to deal with the rare incidents where a school student shoots people is to be aware of the things that contribute to the rage that induces such a student to act. If we were willing to work from that end of the situation, we'd have far better success than throwing new firearms storage laws at the problem. Think about it.
"Think about it"??? Well, thank you, that's courteous of you. I'll have to assume that you don't know that I've been thinking out loud about "it" for a decade here at DU.
Yeah, sure, I'll think about it. Let's do mental health / personality assessments of every kid who enters school, identify the ones with problems, and then ... ? Assign minders to every one who scores problematic? Segregate them to isolate them from negative social influences that might cause them to go bang?
It's insulting to people with mental health problems to suggest that this is the reason some people go on killing rampages, as people so often suggest. People with mental illnesses simply do not commonly develop the kind of narcissism, resentment, rage, whatever, that are usually behind these situations. And it is really completely impossible to predict which problem child is going to decide to take out a dozen of their peers one fine day.
Certainly, let's work toward utopia, where there is no misogyny (one of the biggest factors behind firearms violence, like any other form of violence), no poverty, no mean kids in the schoolyard. But meanwhile, let's make sure all the problem people are well armed ...
Iverglas gets on a roll.
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Certainly, let's work toward utopia, where there is no misogyny (one of the biggest factors behind firearms violence, like any other form of violence)...
Wait, misogyny was the reason for the Ohio school shooting? I thought bullying was the reason for the Ohio school shooting. Nadin the Magnificent said so.
The Canadian DUmmie needs to check herself before she wrecks herself. Soon she will feel the Wrath of Nads!
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Well said, Big Dog.
Well said.
Well Said Tots,
Well said
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Wait, misogyny was the reason for the Ohio school shooting? I thought bullying was the reason for the Ohio school shooting. Nadin the Magnificent said so.
The Canadian DUmmie needs to check herself before she wrecks herself. Soon she will feel the Wrath of Nads!
Now that would be a sight to behold.
A search engine against a condescending bitch.
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Now that would be a sight to behold.
A search engine against a condescending bitch.
This could be the next WWE pay-per-view! :lol:
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Really iverglas? I myself was raised around firearms as well as my son. In my case the guns were either kept in an old school locker or in my mother's closet(my mother was a police officer). Nothing was locked up. What kept me away from the guns growing up was the fear of getting my ass beat if I so much had laid a pinky on them. When I was deemed old enough I was shown the proper way to handle a firearm. It took all the mystery out of it for me. The boy was raised the same way. I had a rule that you don't even touch a gun unless you are directly supervised by an adult. Funny how he never went and shot up his school because he was bullied and had access to unsecured guns. It's called parenting.
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You want to know why, DUmmies?
You. You did it. Well, maybe not you directly, but your mindset certainly has a lot to do with it.
Back not so long ago, kids were bullies, and kids were bullied. But the bullied kids could fight back without fear of being punished under the zero-tolerance bullshit, and the bullies usually found out--usually the hard way--that kids would fight back eventually.
But you put a stop to all that. Nobody fights, and nobody gets hurt, at least that's what you thought would happen. But something much worse happened.
Both the bullies and the bullied stepped it up a few notches, because the bullies knew they wouldn't face trouble from either those they harmed or those in authority, and because the bullied couldn't fight back for fear not from being beaten up, but from being punished for defending themselves.
So both sides decided to up the ante, and a lot of kids decided to go the whole nine yards, some because they were psycho little shits with no fear of punishment or anyone who would stop them, and others because they saw no other way to stop the torment, since the system that was supposed to protect them had abandoned them.
Yeah, you created it. Had you not stepped in and made defending yourself the same level of wrong as those who picked on others, and had you not stepped in and coddled the bullies who should have had their asses kicked, this wouldn't have gotten to the point it has today, DUmmies.
Think about it.
I would add, bullies used to get their ass kicked by the teacher, or the Vice Principal, as was the case when I went to school, or in the worst cases the Principal! Then, your parents received a phone call, or worse, you had to take a note home and hand it to Dad! You couldn't get back in school unless the parent answered back! That's when you got yer ass kicked again!
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Really iverglas? I myself was raised around firearms as well as my son. In my case the guns were either kept in an old school locker or in my mother's closet(my mother was a police officer). Nothing was locked up. What kept me away from the guns growing up was the fear of getting my ass beat if I so much had laid a pinky on them. When I was deemed old enough I was shown the proper way to handle a firearm. It took all the mystery out of it for me. The boy was raised the same way. I had a rule that you don't even touch a gun unless you are directly supervised by an adult. Funny how he never went and shot up his school because he was bullied and had access to unsecured guns. It's called parenting.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.
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Because willfully ignorant and lazy leftist ****s (like you) decided that morals and ethics were situational, human life was cheap, parents needed to ask the government before they could spank little Johnny's ass, bearing children out of wedlock could be a lucrative profession, patriots were suckers, and the unborn could be killed at the whim of their mother. You preached a sermon of anything goes for 40+ years and now you are shocked that kids are this screwed up?
:whatever:
You sowed the wind, now you are reaping the whirlwind. Eat it, leftist scum, it's all yours.
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This.