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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-27-10 11:58 PM
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Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
We often hear that Obama is going to be another Jimmy Carter? I've even seen it written on here by DUers. I would understand why the Republicans hate him...they hate all Democrats. But since when did Carter's name become synonymous with failure? Is it purely because he was a 1-term President? But then GHWB (Poppy) was a 1-term President too. His son was an even bigger failure. I don't see people coming on T.V. saying "you don't want to be like the Bushes." I'm only 22, so I wasn't around way back then. Is it because Carter was possibly the last true American President before complete corporate takeover brought to us by Ronald Reagan? Or is it just more of the MSM/republicans dictating to the Democratic Party? I know Carter has said a lot of things that have put him in the news. He's openly called Israel's actions apartheid and that pissed a lot of people off. But Israel has been getting some bad press lately. People aren't as afraid to criticize them or question them now as they once were. They still have a very powerful lobby called AIPAC though.
So what's the big idea?
PurgedVoter (590 posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:04 AM
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1. Carter stood up to the oil companies
He was and is an honest and brilliant man. The best president that we have had in my lifetime.
Skittles (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:11 AM
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4. no, he was not
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:17 AM
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5. Republicans crashed the economy
pissed off the Middle East and then dumped it in Carter's lap.
Sound familiar?
No, he wasn't a bad President. If we had listened to him all these years, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today.
He did start a lot of the deregulating though. I don't think he was that great of a friend to labor.
rufus dog (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:24 AM
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7. sandnsea makes a good point
He put together a plan for Energy independence in response to the Mid East Crisis. St. Ronnie tore it apart to the point of making a big deal of tearing the Solar Panels off the WH. (Nice payback to the Oil Companies)
No telling how much money and lives would have been saved if those policies had been followed.
Brother Buzz (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:35 AM
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8. The right wing echo machine attacked him from day one undermining his administration
it culminated with the covert agreement between Reagan et al. and the Khomeini regime in Iran to delay release of the American hostages until Carter left office. Some say it boarded on treason; I believe it WAS treason.
FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:55 AM
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13. Democrats blew it,
turned against him, and that's how we got that ****ed-up Reagan, God of the Right....and then Bush Sr.
Clinton slid in, but did a lot of the dirty work that had been started by Reagan,
and then Bush Jr. pushed his way in.
That's what Democrats got for ****ing whining about everything and never being satisfied.
May happen again, at the rate we're going.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x202034
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Psssst Jimmuh,don`t look now but behind you....
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/44000/The-Killer-Rabbit-of-Caerbannog--44433.jpg)
Carter was an idiot among idiots and those of us alive when he was President knew it and no amount of DUmp revisionism will change it.
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While we're talking about the Obamessiah being like President Peanut, I found this:
(http://www.diversitylane.com/dlcomic.jpg)
This will be about it . . . :-) :tongue: :evillaugh:
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Yes, he was that bad.
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Yes, he was that bad.
+1...oh hell + however big Ronnie R's landslide was. How big was it again DUmmies? :uhsure: :innocent:
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-27-10 11:58 PM
Original message
Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
We often hear that Obama is going to be another Jimmy Carter? I've even seen it written on here by DUers. I would understand why the Republicans hate him...they hate all Democrats. But since when did Carter's name become synonymous with failure? Is it purely because he was a 1-term President? But then GHWB (Poppy) was a 1-term President too. His son was an even bigger failure. I don't see people coming on T.V. saying "you don't want to be like the Bushes." I'm only 22, so I wasn't around way back then. Is it because Carter was possibly the last true American President before complete corporate takeover brought to us by Ronald Reagan? Or is it just more of the MSM/republicans dictating to the Democratic Party? I know Carter has said a lot of things that have put him in the news. He's openly called Israel's actions apartheid and that pissed a lot of people off. But Israel has been getting some bad press lately. People aren't as afraid to criticize them or question them now as they once were. They still have a very powerful lobby called AIPAC though.
So what's the big idea?
You weren't really around for Reagan either, yet you seem to have an opinion of him- Why do you need to be spoon fed Carter talking points ? - did you find the interwebs not as "Carter Friendly" as you were hoping ?
Or are you a mole stirring the pot ?
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Psssst Jimmuh,don`t look now but behind you....
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/44000/The-Killer-Rabbit-of-Caerbannog--44433.jpg)
Carter was an idiot among idiots and those of us alive when he was President knew it and no amount of DUmp revisionism will change it.
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+1...oh hell + however big Ronnie R's landslide was. How big was it again DUmmies? :uhsure: :innocent:
Because the landslide was so massive in 1984, what many people forget was that four years earlier, against the Incompetent One, Ronald Reagan had amassed a nearly-equally large landslide.
Reagan's victory in 1980 was as Roosevelt's landslide in 1932 (against the "Great Humanitarian" Hoover), and 1984 was as Roosevelt's landslide in 1936.
And then George Bush in 1988--the presidential race only, not the congressional races--was Roosevelt in 1932 all over again.
The primitives really need to learn some history.
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I was around for Carter. I served in the Military under Nixon and Ford. I watched how the peanut farmer screwed up the military, economy ( remember those interest rates), and foreign relations ( middle east). I was based in Cal. while Reagan was Gov., and he was good at it.
And yes, Carter was still the worst, EVER. Thank GOD for Reagan.... We need one like him now.
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Was Jimmah that bad? Yep. Hey dummies, he barely beat Gerald Ford who had pardoned arch villain Richard Nixon for heaven sake. People were reduced to drinking postum, eating horse meat and using artificial sweeteners!!
Great lunch box miskie. Kids would have carried their government cheese sandwich (or government peanut butter) and gone home to a nice supper of government macaroni an cheese. Them were the days. High unemployment and higher interest rates. I may still have a copy of a CD paying 18%. I was working for the forerunner of CETA at the time. Carter's legacy is a turd which will never be polished.
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Yes, he was that bad.
However bad you might think he was, he was actually at least three times worse than that.
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Was Carter that bad?????
In two words: HELL YES!!!!!!!
Until Zero made the scene, Carter was SO bad (How bad was he?), if you looked up "incompetent" in the dictionary, it would have his picture.... :rimshot:
Now, there is a very real possibility that the latest editions of dictionaries will have BOTH of their pictures....
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Was Jimmah that bad? Yep. Hey dummies, he barely beat Gerald Ford who had pardoned arch villain Richard Nixon for heaven sake. People were reduced to drinking postum, eating horse meat and using artificial sweeteners!!
Great lunch box miskie. Kids would have carried their government cheese sandwich (or government peanut butter) and gone home to a nice supper of government macaroni an cheese. Them were the days. High unemployment and higher interest rates. I may still have a copy of a CD paying 18%. I was working for the forerunner of CETA at the time. Carter's legacy is a turd which will never be polished.
heh, I remember those days of total poorness, and had eaten many a dinner of tuna-noodle casserole made with gub-mint cheese. Frankly - that was some of the best tuna-noodle casserole ever. Its just not the same without that gooey orange goodness. :-)
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Even Carter knows he was that bad, that's why he's never shut his mouth since he left office, and has designated himself as critic of every administration since his own-he's been trying desperately ever since to shine up his tarnished legacy.
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Too bad the young DUmmy wasn't there in person to experience waiting in line for gas, hoping it wouldn't run out before he got there, or Carter lecturing Americans about our "malaise", or making America look totally incapable re:the hostage situation. The Iranians knew Reagan would be a whole different ballgame even before he took office.
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And Carter upheld the "highest" DUmmy standards of politicising everything by pulling us out of the Olympics over a political matter.
Carter is despicable, and he hasn't gotten any better since getting booted out of office.
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And Carter upheld the "highest" DUmmy standards of politicising everything by pulling us out of the Olympics over a political matter.
Carter is despicable, and he hasn't gotten any better since getting booted out of office.
A must read.
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A must read.
(http://www.powerlineblog.com/media/archives/jc.jpg)
Thanks, I will get it and read it.
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He wasn't all bad. He did bring us Billy Beer.
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Psssst Jimmuh,don`t look now but behind you....
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/44000/The-Killer-Rabbit-of-Caerbannog--44433.jpg)
Carter was an idiot among idiots and those of us alive when he was President knew it and no amount of DUmp revisionism will change it.
Somebody had to do it... may as well be me!
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He wasn't all bad. He did bring us Billy Beer.
And we probably wouldn't have had the TV show The Dukes of Hazzard if he weren't elected president.
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Serious about it now but one really did have to live in that day.
We had a media and President in the wake of Vietnam telling us that America was in the wrong and all but finished.
The greatest country the world has ever seen and the one through self turmoils had brought greater freedom and prosperity then all the world have ever known.
This incompetent fool (Carter) didn`t believe that and was willing and happy to throw it all away to bow down to the Soviets.
If not for his stupidity there would be no WOT as likewise if not for Roosevelts trust of uncle Joe at Yalta there may have been no cold war.
History will within a decade recognize what President Bush 43 did and will place him in the upper half of Presidential rankings.
Carter will always be near the bottom and O will be alongside him.
DUmmies know this and are trying to convince themselves otherwise but as with all things they are irrelevant.
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When you hear about what an awful President Jimmuh was, you don't often get a feel for the full spectrum of awfulness Jimmuh truly was. You hear about the astronomical 20+% mortgage rate and the 10+% unemployment rate - those are the obvious things. But Jimmuh probably had less control over those disasters than other actions that were pure Jimmuh, and contributed to the miserable experience of his presidency. How about his reaction to the "Arab oil embargo", the embargo that never was? Jimmuh's meddling with distribution and inventories led to huge lineups for gasoline and artificial shortages all over the country. How about his energy independence initiatives? More nukes? No. Encourage coal production? No. Encourage offshore drilling? No. He put up his silly solar panels to deface the White House, and pushed his moonbat democrat Congress to pass the universally-ignored 55 mile-per-hour speed limit for interstate highways, the single stupidest legislative act since Prohibition. All he accomplished was to make a fortune for CB radio makers, good buddy. And don't forget the whiny Jimmuh, scolding us for the "malaise", and the moonbat symbolism Jimmuh, giving televised addresses telling us to turn down our thermostats while wearing a bulky sweater. How about the preachy, wannabe dictator Jimmuh, with his "mandatory" conversion to the metric system? Jimmuh told us he would kill off inches, miles, and gallons within ten years. I think that is his real legacy. A few kilometer signs went up on highways in moonbat areas, but to this day no one knows or cares what they mean. You can forget about the little embarrassments, like his interview on how he had "lust in my heart" for other women but remained true to Rosalyn, or his interview on the attack by the killer rabbit. You can even forget his stupid decision to boycott the Olympics because the Russians were killing ragheads. But you cannot forget or forgive his monumental incompetence and micromanaging of the military. Proving that an Annapolis graduate can be an absolute military moron, he meddled, minute by minute, in an attempt by an incredibly brave group of Americans heroes to rescue the hostages in Iran. The attempt, with Jimmuh giving directions from 5000 miles away, was catastrophic.
The jug-eared Kenyan may one day be regarded as worse than Jimmuh Carter, but he has a log way to go.
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I think the gas shortage and gaslines were under Nixon...back in '74 & '75... but the extreme inflation and interest rates were under Carter. Off road diesel fuel went from 15.9 cent a gallon in Oct. of '74 to $1.39.9 before Jimmah left office. Inflation was so bad and so fast you couldn't bid a job more that 3 or 4 weeks out.
I'm not taking up for him, just giving him what's due him. I suffered something terrible under Carter.....up until about '82 or '83.
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When you hear about what an awful President Jimmuh was, you don't often get a feel for the full spectrum of awfulness Jimmuh truly was. You hear about the astronomical 20+% mortgage rate and the 10+% unemployment rate - those are the obvious things. But Jimmuh probably had less control over those disasters than other actions that were pure Jimmuh, and contributed to the miserable experience of his presidency. How about his reaction to the "Arab oil embargo", the embargo that never was? Jimmuh's meddling with distribution and inventories led to huge lineups for gasoline and artificial shortages all over the country. How about his energy independence initiatives? More nukes? No. Encourage coal production? No. Encourage offshore drilling? No. He put up his silly solar panels to deface the White House, and pushed his moonbat democrat Congress to pass the universally-ignored 55 mile-per-hour speed limit for interstate highways, the single stupidest legislative act since Prohibition. All he accomplished was to make a fortune for CB radio makers, good buddy. And don't forget the whiny Jimmuh, scolding us for the "malaise", and the moonbat symbolism Jimmuh, giving televised addresses telling us to turn down our thermostats while wearing a bulky sweater. How about the preachy, wannabe dictator Jimmuh, with his "mandatory" conversion to the metric system? Jimmuh told us he would kill off inches, miles, and gallons within ten years. I think that is his real legacy. A few kilometer signs went up on highways in moonbat areas, but to this day no one knows or cares what they mean. You can forget about the little embarrassments, like his interview on how he had "lust in my heart" for other women but remained true to Rosalyn, or his interview on the attack by the killer rabbit. You can even forget his stupid decision to boycott the Olympics because the Russians were killing ragheads. But you cannot forget or forgive his monumental incompetence and micromanaging of the military. Proving that an Annapolis graduate can be an absolute military moron, he meddled, minute by minute, in an attempt by an incredibly brave group of Americans heroes to rescue the hostages in Iran. The attempt, with Jimmuh giving directions from 5000 miles away, was catastrophic.
The jug-eared Kenyan may one day be regarded as worse than Jimmuh Carter, but he has a log way to go.
And if all that weren't enough, he gave away the Panama Canal.........which is now managed by the Chinese......
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They invented the MISERY INDEX specifically for him.
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I think the gas shortage and gaslines were under Nixon...back in '74 & '75... but the extreme inflation and interest rates were under Carter. Off road diesel fuel went from 15.9 cent a gallon in Oct. of '74 to $1.39.9 before Jimmah left office. Inflation was so bad and so fast you couldn't bid a job more that 3 or 4 weeks out.
You are right about the gas lines while Nixon was in office, and the initiation of the 55mph limit. My apologies to any lurking Jimmuhphiles. But we also had long lines in 1979, when Jimmuh abandoned the Shah, and allowed the crazy mullahs to take over Iran. That was a result of Jimmuh's disastrously naive "human rights" policies. An interesting piece on Jimmuh's Mideast expertise is here: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/08/jimmy_carters_human_rights_dis.html
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1. He gave away the Panama canal
2. He allowed the Iranians to hold our fellow citizens hostage for 444 days and let them take over the embassy and set into motion events that allowed 9/11 to happen
3. He was going to pull American troops out of South Korea until everyone including Gen John K Singlaub rightfully pitched a bitch about it. The Gen had to resign for standing up to the peanut farmer.
4. Double digit inflation and unemployment
5. He pardoned all draft dodging assholes that wouldn't answer the call to duty and paved the way for Clinton to get into office.
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When you start listing all the things Jimmuh screwed up beyond all recognition, it's kind of amazing to think that such an incompetent boob could botch so many things with just a single term in office. He was a busy, busy boob! And he was consistent - every single thing he did, he got exactly wrong!
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1. He gave away the Panama canal
2. He allowed the Iranians to hold our fellow citizens hostage for 444 days and let them take over the embassy and set into motion events that allowed 9/11 to happen
3. He was going to pull American troops out of South Korea until everyone including Gen John K Singlaub rightfully pitched a bitch about it. The Gen had to resign for standing up to the peanut farmer.
4. Double digit inflation and unemployment
5. He pardoned all draft dodging assholes that wouldn't answer the call to duty and paved the way for Clinton to get into office.
addendum to #4.....you forgot double digit interest rates...first home loan was 14%.
6. He eliminated the entire human intelligence network of the CIA in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia under his CIA Director, Stansfield Turner, in favor of satellites.
7. carter thought that Ayatollah Khomeni, a Muslim exile in Paris, would make a fairer Iranian leader than the Shah because he was a religious man. Carter withdrew U.S. support from the Shah ,and the Shah was overthrown. The Ayatollah returned and promptly proclaimed Iran an Islamic nation.
Khomeni eliminates his opposition with the help of the PLO. Khomeni also creates Hezbollah.
8. After a meeting with Soviet leader Brezhnev, in which Carter kissed Brezhnev on both cheeks, the
Russians invaded Afghanistan. Carter was shocked that "the Russians lied to me!"
9.Russian expansion in Ethiopia, South Yemen, Angola, Cambodia, Mozambique, Grenada, and Nicaragua.
10 . Reduced military capabilities, 45% reduction in fighter aircraft, 75% in ships, 83% in attack submarines, and 90% in helicopters.
11. 12% inflation, 21% interest rates and 11% unemployment.....aka as the misery index.
Yes Carter was that bad.
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12. Created the Department of Energy.
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And yet another "carter was a great Prez!" thread. Why the sudden need to venerate Carter?
angryfirelord (203 posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:09 PM
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Carter ruined the economy; Reagan saved it
Myth: Carter ruined the economy; Reagan saved it.
Fact: The Federal Reserve Board was responsible for the events of the late 70s and 80s.
Cirque du So-What (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 12:13 PM
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2. Dismantling the Potemkin Village that is Ronnie Raygun's image
one flimsy clapboard sheet at a time. My goal: to debunk the lies and to tear down the cult of personality surrounding Ronnie Raygun to the point that people will reflexively spit at the ground whenever his despised name is mentioned in polite company.
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And yet another "carter was a great Prez!" thread. Why the sudden need to venerate Carter?
It's almost as if they want PresBO to be the worst by far, instead of Carter being a close second.
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Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.
He invented the "religious right."
Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.
What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.
The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.
And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.
Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."
And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.
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And yet another "carter was a great Prez!" thread. Why the sudden need to venerate Carter?
Denial of reality does not make it any less so.
Lurking DUmbasses...
Carter after 30 plus years still rates near the bottom of Presidential reckoning that will not ever change.
Bush 43 will in due time be in the upper half,you know it and refuse to accept it but it will be.
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Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.
He invented the "religious right."
Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.
What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.
The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.
And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.
Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."
And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.
One must remember Frank that Jmmuh set himself up as a religious paragon of virtue..without him doing that the religious right would have never seen fit to counter what Christianity was.
It was him that tried to make religious beliefs a political statement but the walk and the talk did not match.
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13. Leisure suits
14. Disco (Actually, I liked disco. But it's not cool to admit, and Jimmuh was responsible for it.)
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13. Leisure suits
14. Disco (Actually, I liked disco. But it's not cool to admit, and Jimmuh was responsible for it.)
Those remind me of the sparkling husband primitive.....as he is now.
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I was born in 1965 but have some clear memories of the Carter reign. Namely I applied for a part-time stockboy position in a local grocery store and got a call to interview. This was in early 1980 and the job was 15 hours a week after school at minimum wage. I arrived early and the little waiting area was empty. The store manager was informed someone was there and brought me right in to interview. After talking with the manager, I walked through the waiting area and remembered it was completely full... Mostly with 40-50 year old men! Some wearing suits!
I remember at the time being pissed thinking there is no way I would get the job and I didn't get it but years later realised just how horrible the economy was at that time. Its hard to imagine intense competition for a part-time minimum wage job but thats exactly what it was like in the 70's.
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Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.
He invented the "religious right."
Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.
What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.
The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.
And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.
Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."
And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.
I'm a little ambivalent about the "Religious Right", and I'm a "fundy". I think it distracted a lot of fundamentalists from our primary concerns, into politics. I don't mean that religious people shouldn't want a say in our nation's policies, as religious people, but I agree with Lester Roloff's stance on the issue-some fundamentalists made wrong alliances in the name of "politics".
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Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.
He invented the "religious right."
Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.
What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.
The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.
And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.
Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."
And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.
All very true and accurate, as usual; related to this, Carter handed the South to the Republicans, a trend which continues to this day!
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I'm a little ambivalent about the "Religious Right", and I'm a "fundy". I think it distracted a lot of fundamentalists from our primary concerns, into politics. I don't mean that religious people shouldn't want a say in our nation's policies, as religious people, but I agree with Lester Roloff's stance on the issue-some fundamentalists made wrong alliances in the name of "politics".
I've never been exactly sure what the "religious right" is, but as it was something that scared the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, I've always appreciated it.
And it's always been fun, a Great Plainsian of Roman Catholic derivation, being grouped with southern Protestants. It's been a great association.
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I've never been exactly sure what the "religious right" is, but as it was something that scared the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, I've always appreciated it.
And it's always been fun, a Great Plainsian of Roman Catholic derivation, being grouped with southern Protestants. It's been a great association.
I think at its height, it was a mixture of some mainstream Protestants, evangelicals, and a few who began as fundamentalists (Falwell), but "backslid" (LOL) into evangelicalism as political power went to their heads a bit. Not many true fundamentalist leaders got all that involved in it, due to varying degrees of fundamentalist concern with "be ye separate".
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I've never been exactly sure what the "religious right" is
It may have begun decades ago as a movement associated with evangelicals, but has since morphed, as used in the MSM and political discussion, to include anyone who believes in God, and who is, therefore, unlikely to vote for democrats. In the democrat lexicon, anyone who does not favor the unregulated killing of infants is a wingnut and a member of the religious right. In the 90s, we formed a vast conspiracy.
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heh, I remember those days of total poorness, and had eaten many a dinner of tuna-noodle casserole made with gub-mint cheese. Frankly - that was some of the best tuna-noodle casserole ever. Its just not the same without that gooey orange goodness. :-)
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I've been told that gummint cheese is some of the best eating out there. I guess quality is no limit when you're spending someone else's money.
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I remember at the time being pissed thinking there is no way I would get the job and I didn't get it but years later realised just how horrible the economy was at that time. Its hard to imagine intense competition for a part-time minimum wage job but thats exactly what it was like in the 70's.
Those times are fast returning
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sandnsea
5. Republicans crashed the economy
pissed off the Middle East and then dumped it in Carter's lap.
Wha...!?!
These idiots don't even live on the same planet as good and descent people.
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PurgedVoter (590 posts)
Sun Feb-28-10 12:04 AM
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1. Carter stood up to the oil companies
He was and is an honest and brilliant man. The best president that we have had in my lifetime.
How can anyone type that with a straight face? :mental:
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How can anyone type that with a straight face? :mental:
If it actually believes that, let's hope the user name of "PurgedVoter" is accurate.
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If it actually believes that, let's hope the user name of "PurgedVoter" is accurate.
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Probably has a felony record.
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All very true and accurate, as usual; related to this, Carter handed the South to the Republicans, a trend which continues to this day!
I was just readin a dump thread the other day where the primitives swore up an down it was LBJ with the Civil Rights Amendment which handed the South to the Republicans but then we all now how confused they can become. :-)
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Jimmy Carter wasn't that bad.................he was worse.
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I was just readin a dump thread the other day where the primitives swore up an down it was LBJ with the Civil Rights Amendment which handed the South to the Republicans but then we all now how confused they can become. :-)
At the risk of becoming a post whore by quoting one's self, here is a quote from the previously mentioned dump thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7814581)
It is actually good reading material in its own right but I don't have time right now to do justice posting it.
kentuck (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-28-10 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. But LBJ was the Democratic President...
and he pushed it thru even though he knew his Party would probably lose the South for a generation or more. And he was right.
But it was the Democrats that brought it up, not the Republicans. Yes, they had to vote for it because they were the "Party of Lincoln". But just like now with healthcare, they did nothing when they had the chance...
Kentuck had his arse handed to him several times by a drunken irishman