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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2012, 04:26:23 PM »
TexMex hasn't responded to this thread in a while. He must be done with his thesis.

Maybe it went to DU for help on how to respond.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2012, 04:33:11 PM »
Maybe it went to DU for help on how to respond.

That is quit possible. I wouldn't be surprised if he came from the DUmp.

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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2012, 04:33:52 PM »
Tex isn't interested in truth. He's only out to reinforce his indoctrination.

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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2012, 04:39:23 PM »
Tex isn't interested in truth. He's only out to reinforce his indoctrination.

Probably.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2012, 04:49:09 PM »
She reminds me of Texas Toast. A totally dumb ass liberal who thinks putting "tex" somewhere in her internet handle will make us think she's not a liberal.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2012, 05:54:25 PM »
This was of the more intersting threads I have read here. A drive by that was at least worthy for the read and then a profound (and well thought out) beat down.

I love that, due to the fact that I don't know alot of things and I continue to learn.

I just wish I wasn't trying to read this thread and watch Mayweather vs Corrales 2001 at the same time.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2012, 09:56:47 PM »
Educated beyond their means.

Educated beyond their intelligence.

So I guess I'm conservative because I have no more than a high school diploma, yet I have a good job.  On top of that I have the pleasure of stumping engineers on a daily basis.


That's what I consider the best part of my job.  Yeah, I have a generic degree worth where that and $3 will get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks, but that's not where I learned 1--how to THINK, 2--how to develop a solid work ethic, 3--my political leanings.

Life and the experiences I've had thus far taught me those things.  People might ask, "Don't you wish your life were easier, that you had done this instead of that, etc?"  I tell them that I do not wish that, because then that person wouldn't be me.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2012, 09:59:47 PM »
TexMex was playing fast and loose with the truth, and got called on it.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2012, 10:06:33 PM »
the highest average education and incomes generally end up outside the most highly urbanized areas. 

Correct.  Look at areas like Conneticut, from which many of NYC's high-rollers reside.  Or here in New Hampshire.  Call it "Cow Hampshire" all you like, and we do rightly get the knock for having many people who commute to the greater Boston area, but by the same token we have the highest per-capita income in New England outside CT, and the lowest poverty rate in the entire nation.  We have the second-lowest unemployment, and one of the bottom 3-4 tax burdens in the nation.  For all that, NH can be considered (from one's viewpoint) conservative relative to surrounding states, or fairly middle of the road compared to the nation as a whole.

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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2012, 10:11:01 PM »
I ask that you please read my introduction post before passing judgment on me and my question and following statement.

In my effort to grasp a better understanding of those in the poles of our political society (far right and far left), I have several questions.  This one in particular pertains to the circumstances that cause a person to be on the left or right. Here we go...

Very Rural=very conservative
Rural=conservative
Suburban=mixed
Urban=liberal
Dense City=very liberal

Ok you say obviously right? My question is WHY. So I started to take it a bit further...What are the major differences between people in cities and people in rural areas? Well I found TWO common denominators: income and education.

CA and NY are two of the most blue states in America. They also have very high average incomes per capita. Alabama and Louisiana have very low incomes.  This is true across the country, in fact there is a DIRECT correlation between a states average salary per worker and whether they are red or blue.  The lower the income, the more red they are, the higher the income, the more blue they are.

So I took it further. What differences are there between low income and high income individuals? I got ONE common denominator-education.  The more educated you are, the more money you make, less educated less money.  I found several studies that showed the average IQ of each state.  The top 15 states in IQ were blue states, and the bottom 15 were red states.

So my question is this, why do people who are more educated and make more money tend to lean democratic and people with low income and education lean republican? Now that is the general question I am proposing here, but as a secondary question, I ask another question and I will preface it with this:

You would think that the more educated richer people would want lower taxes, and not want there earnings to  go to social programs like welfare. You would also think that poorer people in rural areas would like higher taxes on the rich people, and MORE social programs.  But we are seeing the exact opposite. We are seeing rich educated people vote for a party that wants to raise there taxes and give away there money to the poor and we are seeing poor people voting for a party that would rather cut social programs spending than raise taxes on the rich.

Why is it that these unalligned interests are present in our society? I believe there are 3 possible answers:
1. Poor Conservatives main issue is not money (taxes and welfare). In fact it is social issues like abortion and gay marriage.
2. Rich educated liberals main issue is not keeping there money and they are more compassionate. It is making sure that the lower class is taken care of even if it means raising there taxes to pay for welfare.
3. Both parties leaders have their followers so thoroughly brainwashed that some conservatives actually believe that we cant tax the job creators without a major meltdown, and some liberals actually believe that welfare is sustainable.
Poor conservatives do care about social issues.  We also care about self-reliance.
Rich liberals vote for higher taxes on those that are "really rich," not themselves.  They do this not out of compassion, but because they want the "really rich" to support the poor...and the safety net the liberals depend on. (Note that many liberals work in taxpayer supported fields, like teaching, unions or government.)
We currently see the results of over-taxing job creators while holding an unknown bill over their heads in the form of Obamacare.  Those that can move overseas are.  Those that can't aren't hiring.  What is puzzling is how supposedly well-educated, intelligent liberals can be so dumb as to not see the facts right in front of their noses?
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2012, 01:05:19 AM »
Did you notice there's another stereotype/statistic wholly ignored by it?

military service = more likely conservative

It can't be education because even the infantry in modern times requires strong mental aptitude. And I've had the privilege of knowing quite a few Green Berets (there's a unit here) and I can't think of one who could even remotely be considered liberal; moderate or apolitical maybe, but never liberal. Ditto the combat arms commanders.

He'll come back with the typical reply that we're only in the military because we didn't have the opportunity...life skills or education to do anything else.

You know...the John Kerry theory of why we serve.
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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2012, 01:07:10 AM »
TexMex hasn't responded to this thread in a while. He must be done with his thesis.

No I think he moved to CU.  n00b showed up over there after I went to bed last night that sounds just like this troll.

Calls itself "ASquareDealer".

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Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2012, 04:09:00 PM »
CA and NY are two of the most blue states in America. They also have very high average incomes per capita. Alabama and Louisiana have very low incomes.  This is true across the country, in fact there is a DIRECT correlation between a states average salary per worker and whether they are red or blue.  The lower the income, the more red they are, the higher the income, the more blue they are.

So, student, where does cost of living and tax burden fit into all of this?  The average salary means zip shit if it all leaves the hands of the wage earner to stay alive.

Also, link the study and the data you are using.

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So I took it further. What differences are there between low income and high income individuals? I got ONE common denominator-education.  The more educated you are, the more money you make, less educated less money.
 

Bullshit.  "Education" does not automatically equal income.  I have met more than my fair share of liberal arts graduates that say the following things to me when I am at their place of employment:

  • "Would you like fries with that?"
  • Welcome to Hooters!"
  • "Tall, grande, or venti?"

Anyone who is willing to apply themselves, use their talents, exercise some financial discipline, and be willing to put in the hours/effort can do far better than anyone who walked out of a university thinking money would just fall into their lap.

Would you be curious as to how I know this?

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I found several studies that showed the average IQ of each state.  The top 15 states in IQ were blue states, and the bottom 15 were red states.

Link them.

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So my question is this, why do people who are more educated and make more money tend to lean democratic and people with low income and education lean republican?

Kid, I have met plenty of rich cretins and more than my fair share of educated dumbasses.  Your criteria, while somewhat useful in a classroom, does not survive first contact with reality.  The less educated and more easily swayed tend more towards big nanny state liberalism while those who can think rationally would rather be left alone to live their lives without interference and without some "educated" fool telling them how stupid they are for not paying able bodied adults to sit on their asses.

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You would think that the more educated richer people would want lower taxes, and not want there earnings to  go to social programs like welfare. You would also think that poorer people in rural areas would like higher taxes on the rich people, and MORE social programs.  But we are seeing the exact opposite. We are seeing rich educated people vote for a party that wants to raise there taxes and give away there money to the poor and we are seeing poor people voting for a party that would rather cut social programs spending than raise taxes on the rich.

Uh, no.  What you are seeing is people who would rather have the chance to get "rich" on their own vice being lorded over by the "educated" that think they are masters of the universe.  Nobody is going to tolerate being robbed at gunpoint over some idea of "guilt" for enjoying the fruits of their labor.  Additionally, "poor" Conservatives don't seek to stick it to the rich - their lives aren't invested in how much someone else is forced to suffer and they don't generally seek handouts when they can provide for themselves; it's called a work ethic.

Kid, I suggest you take a good look at the founding of this country - you will find that it was founded by men who didn't particularly want to be ruled by those that thought they were their betters.  Independence is an idea worth fighting for and one that is hardwired into most Americans from birth.

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Why is it that these unalligned interests are present in our society? I believe there are 3 possible answers:
1. Poor Conservatives main issue is not money (taxes and welfare). In fact it is social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

Wrong.  "Poor" Conservatives share the same values as "rich" conservatives - stay the Hell out of my wallet and quit shoving your morality down my throat.  Power is derived from the consent of the governed, a concept that is ignored at great peril.

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2. Rich educated liberals main issue is not keeping there money and they are more compassionate. It is making sure that the lower class is taken care of even if it means raising there taxes to pay for welfare.

Wrong.  "Rich, educated liberals" are more interested in the same things as your garden variety moonbat - more compassion with other people's money.  If you think for one hot second that a "rich, educated liberal" is going to pay more in taxes, you are a more naive fool than you appear. 

Rich liberals are not compassionate by any stretch of the imagination.  If they were serious about throwing money at a government that will eat up their "fair share" in multi-layered bureaucracies, they would write checks to the US treasury.  There is nothing stopping them.  Or, they could do what conservatives do and give it directly to charity. 

Our government is not a charity, learn you history.

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3. Both parties leaders have their followers so thoroughly brainwashed that some conservatives actually believe that we cant tax the job creators without a major meltdown, and some liberals actually believe that welfare is sustainable.

One does not have to be brainwashed to understand that you tax behavior that you want to limit.  Want to see the financial shit hit the fan?  Tell the job creators that legislation is being drafted to drastically raise their taxes.  One thing you will find out very quickly is that wealth and money are very portable.  Don't believe me?  Ask Maryland how the "millionaires tax" worked out for them.  You want to see it writ large?  Watch France in the coming months and see how many producers are left after the socialist shitheads are sworn in.  England is more than ready for a large influx of wealthy Frenchmen who will seek to escape the hyper "gimme" state they are about to become.

Bottom line, kid, I hope your parents aren't paying for your "education".  I would be very pissed off if any of my children displayed your atrocious grammar and propagandized hypotheses at a college level.
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