Author Topic: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?  (Read 3004 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Texacon

  • Super
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12309
  • Reputation: +1249/-55
  • All The Way!
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 09:57:26 AM »
Did you notice there's another stereotype/statistic wholly ignored by it?

military service = more likely conservative

It can't be education because even the infantry in modern times requires strong mental aptitude. And I've had the privilege of knowing quite a few Green Berets (there's a unit here) and I can't think of one who could even remotely be considered liberal; moderate or apolitical maybe, but never liberal. Ditto the combat arms commanders.

There's something else I left out of my post that I feel needs to be rectified;

Education does NOT equal INTELLIGENCE.  There are several more categories TexMex can now add.  IE; Poor, intelligent - Rich, intelligent - Poor, unintelligent - Rich, unintelligent ...

KC
  Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.  Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

*Stolen

Offline Crazy Horse

  • Army 0 Navy 34
  • Topic Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5571
  • Reputation: +236/-143
  • Sex, Booze and Bacon Minion
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 10:34:06 AM »
There's something else I left out of my post that I feel needs to be rectified;

Education does NOT equal INTELLIGENCE.  There are several more categories TexMex can now add.  IE; Poor, intelligent - Rich, intelligent - Poor, unintelligent - Rich, unintelligent ...

KC

Educated beyond their means.

Educated beyond their intelligence.

So I guess I'm conservative because I have no more than a high school diploma, yet I have a good job.  On top of that I have the pleasure of stumping engineers on a daily basis.

You got off your ass, now get your wife off her back.

Offline jtyangel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9116
  • Reputation: +497/-110
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 10:37:06 AM »
Educated beyond their means.

Educated beyond their intelligence.

So I guess I'm conservative because I have no more than a high school diploma, yet I have a good job.  On top of that I have the pleasure of stumping engineers on a daily basis.



It should lead the OP to the question of whether universities are teaching people WHAT to think rather then HOW to think. I wonder why that has never crossed the OP's mind?

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 10:54:39 AM »
A lib starts with the premise that there is nothing wrong with their thinking.
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline Texacon

  • Super
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12309
  • Reputation: +1249/-55
  • All The Way!
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2012, 10:55:35 AM »
It should lead the OP to the question of whether universities are teaching people WHAT to think rather then HOW to think. I wonder why that has never crossed the OP's mind?

Excellent!

KC
  Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.  Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

*Stolen

Offline Mr Mannn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14885
  • Reputation: +2646/-276
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2012, 10:59:30 AM »
Interestingly while TexMex claims neither side, s/he seems to stick to one theme;

Poor, stupid conservatives

vs.

Rich, educated liberals.

How about talking about the other side of the coin a little bit?  Actually there's probably a dozen sides to this coin;

Rich, educated conservatives
Poor, educated conservatives
Rich, uneducated conservatives
 
vs.

Poor, educated liberals
Poor, uneducated liberals
Rich, uneducated liberals

There's some research for you to start on.  Your stereotypes are hanging out ... you may want to check your zipper because you are exposing yourself.

KC
Tex Mex is mired in  Liberal propaganda. He can't seem to be able to break away from the stereotypes fed to him by Liberal educators. Hence he continually gets Republican motivations wrong.

Tex, education today in liberal strongholds involves indoctrination specifically to produce people who think like you.

Offline Toastedturningtidelegs

  • Holy Crap! Look at my
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
  • Reputation: +218/-69
  • OBAMA PHONE!
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2012, 11:00:12 AM »
Well even in that post, it floors me the inquisitor has not checked him/herself for his/her own bias. That's kinda my point with liberals generally; they don't have any introspection to challenge their own thoughts processes on things. They operate from the premise that they are right from the get go and it would seem to me in the classical liberal sense that runs antithesis to this idea that one has an open mind to begin with if they are that set in their own beliefs. Whose the conservative here and whose the liberal considering?


BTW, I don't hold a conservative to the same standard because most conservatives don't tout how tolerant or open-minded they are. They don't have the same ideals to live up to that the liberal claims.
From the op's intro thread:
Quote
as a poli sci major,
:whatever: Color me surprised. Very funny watching a liberal disavow he or she is a liberal...must suck to be ashamed of what you are.He or she also sucks at moleing! :-)
Call me "Asshole" One more time!

Offline Ballygrl

  • Lipstick Renegade
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14934
  • Reputation: +983/-120
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2012, 11:01:26 AM »
There's something else I left out of my post that I feel needs to be rectified;

Education does NOT equal INTELLIGENCE.  There are several more categories TexMex can now add.  IE; Poor, intelligent - Rich, intelligent - Poor, unintelligent - Rich, unintelligent ...

KC

My Dad quit school at 15 to join the Military during WW2, he lied about his age to get in, he wasn't book educated but he was 1 of the smartest men I've ever known. Some of the stupidest people you can ever meet are educated leftists, and if I'm generalizing? I don't care.
Quote
"The nation that couldn’t be conquered by foreign enemies has been conquered by its elected officials" odawg Free Republic in reference to the GOP Elites who are no difference than the Democrats

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1707/-151
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2012, 11:07:03 AM »
In my effort to grasp a better understanding of those in the poles of our political society (far right and far left), I have several questions.  This one in particular pertains to the circumstances that cause a person to be on the left or right. Here we go...

Very Rural=very conservative
Rural=conservative
Suburban=mixed
Urban=liberal
Dense City=very liberal

Ok you say obviously right? My question is WHY. So I started to take it a bit further...What are the major differences between people in cities and people in rural areas? Well I found TWO common denominators: income and education.

Your premise is based on completely unfounded assumptions and perhaps an outdated view of citizen mobility and the geography of work location vs. home. 

If, for instance, you go by people who WORK in DC or NYC as opposed to those who actually LIVE there after 9 p.m. every day, you'll come up with a completely different picture of income and education.  Outside isolated exceptions for the quite rich in places like Manhattan or Philly's Main Line, the highest average education and incomes generally end up outside the most highly urbanized areas. 

On just a couple of other points, I'd note that central cities are not the engines of job growth they once were (Despite the fact that so much of our economic and government institutional infratstructure still acts like they are, since they were built when it was true and the assumption is hard-wired into them), and that being poor in a rural area is a whole different thing than being poor in an urban one with entirely different individual and societal coping mechanisms and costs.

I don't disagree with your very last sentence, in that both Liberals and Conservatives do tend to see things as more absolute than they really are, but you don't deal successfully with an adverse party by staking out a position firmly in the middle while they start on the extreme, or you'll end up halfway into their extreme before it's over in a negotiative process like representative democracy. 
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.

Offline BlueStateSaint

  • Here I come to save the day, because I'm a
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32553
  • Reputation: +1560/-191
  • RIP FDNY Lt. Rich Nappi d. 4/16/12
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2012, 11:10:20 AM »
When I worked at the lab, I noted that some of the most "educated" individuals--the ones with PhD's--had the least amount of common sense in the world.  These were people who could rattle off to you the entire sequence of a strand of DNA from the white-nosed fungus on a common bat--but if they opened the hood of their car, it was running and they had something dangling from their necks that would damn near get caught in the serpentine belt.  "Book smart" is not "street smart."
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

"All you have to do is look straight and see the road, and when you see it, don't sit looking at it - walk!" -Ayn Rand
 
"Those that trust God with their safety must yet use proper means for their safety, otherwise they tempt Him, and do not trust Him.  God will provide, but so must we also." - Matthew Henry, Commentary on 2 Chronicles 32, from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible

"These anti-gun fools are more dangerous to liberty than street criminals or foreign spies."--Theodore Haas, Dachau Survivor

Chase her.
Chase her even when she's yours.
That's the only way you'll be assured to never lose her.

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2012, 11:12:37 AM »
There are many forms of intelligence, and often, no overlap between them.
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline jtyangel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9116
  • Reputation: +497/-110
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2012, 11:32:02 AM »
From the op's intro thread: :whatever: Color me surprised. Very funny watching a liberal disavow he or she is a liberal...must suck to be ashamed of what you are.He or she also sucks at moleing! :-)

Well, from what I have seen they HATE being categorized and that's probably because it destroys the illusion that they are open-minded and tolerant. I say, claim it and let people know who you are, but be prepared to face scrutiny and understand you have as many narrowly focused beliefs as those 'backwards conservatives' you like to ridicule. Just tired of the shill game. What I just described was one of my initial falling away from liberalism as a younger adult.


You don't know anyone with the problem of disavowing their liberalism or at least disavowing that they are narrow-minded do you?  :whistling: :-)

Offline Ptarmigan

  • Bunny Slayer
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23610
  • Reputation: +927/-225
  • God Hates Bunnies
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2012, 11:34:18 AM »
Not all rural areas are conservative or urban areas are liberal. Some cities are more liberal than others. For example Los Angeles County is split 50/50 with Lancaster being more conservative, while Los Angeles being more liberal. San Francisco city and county is more liberal than Los Angeles. Orange County and Staten Island are densely populate, is more conservative. New York City is quite liberal, but even there are pockets of conservative areas. Vermont and Maine are quite liberal and mostly rural. Areas dominated by the military are more conservative as MSB pointed out. He is right on that.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte

Allow enemies their space to hate; they will destroy themselves in the process.
-Lisa Du

Offline Toastedturningtidelegs

  • Holy Crap! Look at my
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
  • Reputation: +218/-69
  • OBAMA PHONE!
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2012, 11:38:31 AM »
Well, from what I have seen they HATE being categorized and that's probably because it destroys the illusion that they are open-minded and tolerant. I say, claim it and let people know who you are, but be prepared to face scrutiny and understand you have as many narrowly focused beliefs as those 'backwards conservatives' you like to ridicule. Just tired of the shill game. What I just described was one of my initial falling away from liberalism as a younger adult.


You don't know anyone with the problem of disavowing their liberalism or at least disavowing that they are narrow-minded do you?   :whistling: :-)
She is a source of alot of anxiety because of that! :banghead: :-)
Call me "Asshole" One more time!

Offline jtyangel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9116
  • Reputation: +497/-110
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2012, 11:41:32 AM »
She is a source of alot of anxiety because of that! :banghead: :-)
Well, that's only because 3 important people in your life gotta be around some of the insanity we witness of the DU mind..hang in :-* :cheersmate:

Offline jtyangel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9116
  • Reputation: +497/-110
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2012, 11:42:35 AM »
She is a source of alot of anxiety because of that! :banghead: :-)

Admit it, it's a source of a lot of good laughs too watching the pretzels of liberal logic happen before your very eyes  :lmao:

Offline Toastedturningtidelegs

  • Holy Crap! Look at my
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
  • Reputation: +218/-69
  • OBAMA PHONE!
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2012, 11:45:52 AM »
Admit it, it's a source of a lot of good laughs too watching the pretzels of liberal logic happen before your very eyes  :lmao:
Yes...critical thinking is not her strong suit nor is thinking period for that matter. :lmao:
Call me "Asshole" One more time!

Offline jtyangel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9116
  • Reputation: +497/-110
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2012, 11:47:11 AM »
Yes...critical thinking is not her strong suit nor is thinking period for that matter. :lmao:

She works a mean hot glue gun though :wink: :-)

Offline Toastedturningtidelegs

  • Holy Crap! Look at my
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3759
  • Reputation: +218/-69
  • OBAMA PHONE!
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2012, 11:53:11 AM »
She works a mean hot glue gun though :wink: :-)
:whatever: Yeah i need to borrow that for my wallet! :banghead: :-)
Call me "Asshole" One more time!

Offline jtyangel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9116
  • Reputation: +497/-110
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2012, 11:57:53 AM »
:whatever: Yeah i need to borrow that for my wallet! :banghead: :-)


 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Offline Rebel

  • Stick a fork in us. We're done.
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16768
  • Reputation: +1239/-215
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2012, 01:01:00 PM »
Go to DU if you want to play in generalizations, "TexMex". None of us walk lockstep.
NAMBLA is a left-wing organization.

Quote
There's a reason why patriotism is considered a conservative value. Watch a Tea Party rally and you'll see people proudly raising the American flag and showing pride in U.S. heroes such as Thomas Jefferson. Watch an OWS rally and you'll see people burning the American flag while showing pride in communist heroes such as Che Guevera. --Bob, from some news site

Offline SSG Snuggle Bunny

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23049
  • Reputation: +2232/-269
  • Voted Rookie-of-the-Year, 3 years running
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2012, 01:06:35 PM »
According to the Bible, "know" means "yes."

Offline rich_t

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7942
  • Reputation: +386/-429
  • TANSTAAFL
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2012, 04:24:02 PM »
Go to DU if you want to play in generalizations, "TexMex". None of us walk lockstep.

Yup.  My bitch slap count is proof enough of that.

 :cheersmate:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

Offline Kyle Ricky

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7596
  • Reputation: +614/-1086
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2012, 04:25:00 PM »
TexMex hasn't responded to this thread in a while. He must be done with his thesis.

Offline rich_t

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7942
  • Reputation: +386/-429
  • TANSTAAFL
Re: Why are we who we are? Liberals and Conservatives and why?
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2012, 04:25:35 PM »
I smell another troll that won't be back often.

If it comes back it won't respond to criticism well or respond to direct questions.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944