Outsourcing

[Wineslob]

It's got to be the water...................................

[The Village Idiot]

I ain't proposing isolation in economics. In fact I think we should be exporting goods, not importing it.

And who will buy these high-(over)priced goods?

[Mustang]

Mustang sounds like another dumbassed friend of mine who was GOP-ing as an intern and suddenly found faith in ronpaul...

sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

lol, I'm not into Ron Paul at all. I totally disagree with his foreign policy and economic policy.

I guess the founders intended for big business to control everyone's lives. 

There is nothing conservative about supporting big business lobbying to screw over the American people.

[The Village Idiot]

There is nothing conservative about supporting big business lobbying to screw over the American people.

The American people want lower prices.

[Doc]

There is nothing conservative about supporting big business lobbying to screw over the American people.

Perhaps you can tell us exactly which "big business" is holding a gun to your head forcing you to purchase their products?

doc

[dutch508]

lol, I'm not into Ron Paul at all. I totally disagree with his foreign policy and economic policy.

I guess the founders intended for big business to control everyone's lives. 

There is nothing conservative about supporting big business lobbying to screw over the American people.

and you are a ****ing dumbass. I didn't say you had anything to do with ronpaul, but you just read into what anyone else says with your greater than our viewpoint.

You spout 'teh truth' just like a ronulan. You seem to have the same idea of debate as a ronulan. You are just a stupid as a ronulan. Forgive me for mistaking you for a ronulan.

[Mustang]

and you are a ****ing dumbass. I didn't say you had anything to do with ronpaul, but you just read into what anyone else says with your greater than our viewpoint.

You spout 'teh truth' just like a ronulan. You seem to have the same idea of debate as a ronulan. You are just a stupid as a ronulan. Forgive me for mistaking you for a ronulan.

OK, thank you for being a hard-on dickhead. I buy an American car, I buy from American run stores, I must be a "****ing dumbass".

[Doc]

There is nothing conservative about supporting big business lobbying to screw over the American people.

While we are on the subject.....perhaps you can share with us when was the last time that a Mom & Pop business did any of the following:

Built an automobile
Built an aircraft
Built a power plant
Built an ocean-going vessel
Developed a life-saving drug, or piece of medical equipment
Built a hospital
Built a substantial piece of our military hardware
Built a computer (like the one you are using) or its component parts
Built a communications company
Built a bridge, road, or tunnel
Built an oil refinery
Built a steel mill, aluminium refining plant, rolling mill, or plastics manufacturing facility

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and suggest that 95% of the stuff that you use in your daily life comes from one large corporation or another...........I'll further suggest that the answer to my initial question will be......a really loooong time.

doc

[dutch508]

OK, thank you for being a hard-on dickhead. I buy an American car, I buy from American run stores, I must be a "****ing dumbass".

Hmm....I buy from 'American run Stores' whatever that is. I drive a Ford pick-up truck. Yet...I'm not a dumbass.

explain to me what an 'American run store' is?

[Mustang]

You have cleverly shifted the argument from outsourcing to the good cookie baking qualities of big business.
The point I am trying to make, I don't understand how anyone can see corporations outsourcing as a good thing.
Lower prices for lost jobs? Hey I'm a pretty cheap person myself, frugal would be a better term. But that's not the point.

[Doc]

You have cleverly shifted the argument from outsourcing to the good cookie baking qualities of big business.
The point I am trying to make, I don't understand how anyone can see corporations outsourcing as a good thing.
Lower prices for lost jobs? Hey I'm a pretty cheap person myself, frugal would be a better term. But that's not the point.

We don't see it as a good thing......we are pragmatic enough to realize that outsourcing is a necessary thing.......in our economy, if the US economy is going to survive.

Since you are so frugal, would you take a job that pays $1.78/hour?

I didn't think so........but those hourly rates for production work are the "competition".....and if you won't take it, then someone somewhere else in the world would.........

As an aside, that job doesn't include:  Vacation, health insurance, retirement, or maternity leave......

doc

[The Village Idiot]

OK, thank you for being a hard-on dickhead. I buy an American car, I buy from American run stores, I must be a "****ing dumbass".

Was this "American" car made in Canada or Mexico? Unlike those Japanese cars built in Tennessee.

[Mustang]

I want to make a point that may shine some light.  In the past, jobs were more skill-intensive, apprenticeship-like...
Today, everyone is a damn specialist. I'm talking about skilled labor, which has turned into specializations.
I think outsourcing has an effect on that, at least I think it does.

Why am I a "dumbass" for wanting a skilled domestic work force?

[Mustang]

Was this "American" car made in Canada or Mexico? Unlike those Japanese cars built in Tennessee.

I drive a Ford.

[The Village Idiot]

Today, everyone is a damn specialist. I'm talking about skilled labor, which has turned into specializations.

So you make your own shoes, or do you let a specialist do that?

Without specialization we would all be making our own furniture, growing our own food, making our own clothes and we would have never progressed past the Amish.

[Mustang]

So you make your own shoes, or do you let a specialist do that?

Without specialization we would all be making our own furniture, growing our own food, making our own clothes and we would have never progressed past the Amish.

lol, that's not what I meant. I'll give you an example, the building where I work is from the early 1950's, it's built like a tank, the structural integrity is amazing, I can blast music as loud
as I want and you won't here a damn sound from right outside of it.

Read books from the 50's and 40's and compare it to scholarly writing today.

[The Village Idiot]

read books from the 50's and 40's and compare it to scholarly writing today.

People are getting dumber, totally true.

I tend to doubt we've outsourced the building construction industry though. Kind of hard to build in China and ship over a 30-story building. (SO FAR)

You can probably blame this on local building codes.

[dutch508]

You have cleverly shifted the argument from outsourcing to the good cookie baking qualities of big business.
The point I am trying to make, I don't understand how anyone can see corporations outsourcing as a good thing.
Lower prices for lost jobs? Hey I'm a pretty cheap person myself, frugal would be a better term. But that's not the point.

I don't think outsourcing of jobs is a good thing. However- what is the reason more and more jobs are being lost to overseas? I don't think it's because businesses want to screw over the American people.

I think the point is exactly about being frugal. Businesses could make all that crap in the USA, pay a union worker more money to do it, and end up raising the price of the POS for the consumer. BUT- they don't, pay a sweatshop in the islands to make it and save the US tax payer 3 dollars on a .50 plastic toy. OR China makes it, rakes in 2 dollars, pays thier government owned workers .30 cents, and we still have a 3 dollar toy.

[Mustang]

It seems like the whole outsourcing "system" just promotes mediocrity and poverty.


I had problems with my internet and I had to have to talk to Indian technicians over and over again. Evuentually Verizon thought of me an asshole enough after umteen times of bothering to get a "level 3" technician to handle my situation. They probably wasted a lot of money trying to "fix" a problem that required rewiring at a mainframe.

[bkg]

If you create American jobs, you get a tax cut.
If you hire people in India, China, Mexico, or any other place in the world, we tax the shit out of you.
And if you have a big ass corporation that tries to evade this by moving your headquarters overseas, we tax the shit out of you even more.

Plain and simple. No regulation. Just common sense

Honestly - that's just plain dumb.

[Mustang]

I want to apologize if I came off like a dickhead, I had a really bad weekend. Been awhile since I've been on the forums.

[bkg]

I want to make a point that may shine some light.  In the past, jobs were more skill-intensive, apprenticeship-like...
Today, everyone is a damn specialist. I'm talking about skilled labor, which has turned into specializations.
I think outsourcing has an effect on that, at least I think it does.

Why am I a "dumbass" for wanting a skilled domestic work force?

Have you had a job yet or are you still an intern? People in glass houses.

BTW - you come across as an uber-lib who doesn't understand a damn thing about business, economics or gov't. Get out in the real world for a while - it'll do you some good.

[Wineslob]

Consumer driven free market................................................got it?

[Mustang]

Have you had a job yet or are you still an intern? People in glass houses.

BTW - you come across as an uber-lib who doesn't understand a damn thing about business, economics or gov't. Get out in the real world for a while - it'll do you some good.

I make no apologies for working on the Chris Christie campaign. I'm an uber-lib? How well do you know me? How do you know what knowledge I have?
And yeah I have a job, but what the hell does that have to do anything? Am I supposed to feel bad because I worked on the Chris Chrisitie campaign and didn't have a job for a few months?

Get off your high horse.

[Doc]

I want to make a point that may shine some light.  In the past, jobs were more skill-intensive, apprenticeship-like...
Today, everyone is a damn specialist. I'm talking about skilled labor, which has turned into specializations.
I think outsourcing has an effect on that, at least I think it does.

Why am I a "dumbass" for wanting a skilled domestic work force?

If you actually study the evolution of manufacturing in the US over the past forty years, you would know that the loss of skilled and semiskilled jobs in this country is not due to "outsourcing".

Example:  In 1965, an automobile assembly plant with three lines operating three shifts would employ approximately 9,000 people......unskilled, semiskilled, and skilled.  Today that same plant will employ approximately 2,000 workers, and most of the semiskilled and skilled jobs are gone.   jobs like:

Tool and die makers
Machinists
Welders
Painters
Inspectors
Pipefitters
Production schedulers

These jobs have not been "outsourced", as many of these plants are still operating in the US......what has happened is these workers were replaced by........AUTOMATION

Machinists, tool and die makers, and pipefitters were replaced by CRC machines

Painters, welders, and inspectors were replaced by robotics

Production schedulers, clerks, bookeepers, and accounting personnel were replaced by office automation systems.

With this transition, an entire new group of technological jobs were created, to design, build, maintain and program the robotics and automation systems, and these jobs require a different, and somewhat higher set of skills........during this ongoing transition, some workers will adapt, learn a new skill set, and continue to participate......some will not, and be left behind, obsolete.

It has been happening since the industrial revolution, and will continue.  

doc