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Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« on: March 29, 2010, 09:41:33 PM »
Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
Mon Mar 29, 7:03 pm ET
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BALTIMORE – The father of a Marine killed in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters was ordered to pay the protesters’ appeal costs, his lawyers said Monday.

On Friday, Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered Snyder to pay $16,510 to Fred Phelps. Phelps is the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, which conducted protests at Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder’s funeral in 2006.

The two-page decision supplied by attorneys for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., offered no details on how the court came to its decision.

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Sick! I bet the judge is a leftist like the Westboro Baptist Church and Fred Phelps, who are Democrats. They call WBC the most hated people in America and the world.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2010, 10:17:04 PM »
Where could someone go to help pay for an appeal on this?
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2010, 10:20:00 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on March 29, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Where could someone go to help pay for an appeal on this?

I would love to help too.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 10:48:51 PM »
WTF?

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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 11:27:03 PM »
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Attorneys also said Snyder is struggling to come up with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court.

Here is the link to his webpage - on the left is "how to help" link and also "donate" link. Definitely a cause we need to support.

http://www.matthewsnyder.org/
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 11:28:53 PM »
I hate Fred Phelps as much as I hate Osama bin Laden/Jihadist and Lori Drew. They are all scum of humanity worthy of the worst suffering one can inflict on.  :bird:
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 11:39:17 PM »
Someone remind me about this thread on the 1st.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 03:22:21 AM »
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 03:28:05 AM »
Of course, the ACLU and Thomas Jefferson Center are defending Phelps.

Any more reason to hate these SOB's?

Well worth the read:

http://www.matthewsnyder.org/Snyder%20v.%20WBC%20-%204th%20Circuit%20Opinion,%20Doc.%2082,%209_24_09%20(4).PDF
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 09:11:58 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on March 30, 2010, 03:28:05 AM
Of course, the ACLU and Thomas Jefferson Center are defending Phelps.

Any more reason to hate these SOB's?

Well worth the read:

http://www.matthewsnyder.org/Snyder%20v.%20WBC%20-%204th%20Circuit%20Opinion,%20Doc.%2082,%209_24_09%20(4).PDF

Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society. 

EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.

BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.

How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?   

These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.

You know if the men and woman service people were alive  Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc.   They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back.    Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends.  They go for the throat to suck blood  and money from a grieving family.

Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town.    I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.

They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing.    While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.

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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 09:35:19 AM »
Quote from: Airwolf on March 29, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Where could someone go to help pay for an appeal on this?

I wonder if Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation would take this case up?
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 10:55:08 AM »
Hopefully the Patriot Guard Riders will catch word of this and try to help out.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 11:18:19 AM »
Quote from: vesta111 on March 30, 2010, 09:11:58 AM
Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society. 

EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.

BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.

How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?   

These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.

You know if the men and woman service people were alive  Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc.   They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back.    Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends.  They go for the throat to suck blood  and money from a grieving family.

Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town.    I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.

They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing.    While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.




There are a couple of counties around where I live, that if they showed up to cause a disturbance at the funeral of a soldier....they would be looking down rifle barrels.

Those holding the rifles would most likely have white robes and little pointed white hoods hanging in their closets at home, too.  :uhsure:
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2010, 11:32:31 AM »
Quote from: vesta111 on March 30, 2010, 09:11:58 AM
Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society. 

EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.

BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.

How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?   

These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.

You know if the men and woman service people were alive  Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc.   They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back.    Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends.  They go for the throat to suck blood  and money from a grieving family.

Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town.    I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.

They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing.    While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.



How about the father's first amendment rights of peacable assembly? Why does that get to be trodden on?
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2010, 12:55:07 PM »
Freedom of speech is a bitch, eh?

Either you defend their freedom - like the fallen war hero DID DO - or you deny it. If you deny it, you deny it for everyone. It's either a right or a privelege.

At the end of the day, this was a frivolous lawsuit and nothing more. That the church has no respect for the miliatary is of no relevance - nor is there any relevance to the fact that it was a service person's funeral. The only relevance is the 1st amendment. The father didn't like what was said and now wants  it silenced. No different than people on the left.

You don't have to like it. You don't have to approve of it. You can even be offended by it. But you MUST defend it.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 02:33:01 PM »
Quote from: Kay on March 29, 2010, 11:27:03 PM
From the article:
Here is the link to his webpage - on the left is "how to help" link and also "donate" link. Definitely a cause we need to support.

http://www.matthewsnyder.org/

Thanks for the info, I'll certainly send a donation.

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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 03:32:07 PM »
I don't have much but that dad is getting my help
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 04:20:40 PM »
Quote from: bkg on March 30, 2010, 12:55:07 PM
Freedom of speech is a bitch, eh?

Either you defend their freedom - like the fallen war hero DID DO - or you deny it. If you deny it, you deny it for everyone. It's either a right or a privelege.

At the end of the day, this was a frivolous lawsuit and nothing more. That the church has no respect for the miliatary is of no relevance - nor is there any relevance to the fact that it was a service person's funeral. The only relevance is the 1st amendment. The father didn't like what was said and now wants  it silenced. No different than people on the left.

You don't have to like it. You don't have to approve of it. You can even be offended by it. But you MUST defend it.

Sorry but I do NOT have to defend piss poor behavior.

Period.

Do I support their 1st amendment rights to act like a bunch of assholes.  Yeah...  My oath still means something to me.  But I don't have to defend their actions.

If Heaven forbid that my son falls in combat and these assholes show up at his funeral.

Two things are going to happen....  Several folks will be needing a hospital and I'll be arrested.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2010, 04:58:12 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 30, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
Sorry but I do NOT have to defend piss poor behavior.

Period.

Do I support their 1st amendment rights to act like a bunch of assholes.  Yeah...  My oath still means something to me.  But I don't have to defend their actions.

If Heaven forbid that my son falls in combat and these assholes show up at his funeral.

Two things are going to happen....  Several folks will be needing a hospital and I'll be arrested.

I'm surprised that it hasn't happened already.  That would be a case of jury nullification that I could get behind.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2010, 05:31:17 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 30, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
Sorry but I do NOT have to defend piss poor behavior.

Period.

Do I support their 1st amendment rights to act like a bunch of assholes.  Yeah...  My oath still means something to me.  But I don't have to defend their actions.

If Heaven forbid that my son falls in combat and these assholes show up at his funeral.

Two things are going to happen....  Several folks will be needing a hospital and I'll be arrested.

Didn't mean defend or support their actions... But defend and support their RIGHTS. Difference.
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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2010, 05:36:18 PM »
As repugnant as Phelps et al are they have free speech rights.

And it appears "loser pays" means sometimes the people we would rather see win end up not winning and subsequently paying.

Still, it'd be worth the night in county detention for the privilege of busting Phelps in the cock locker.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2010, 05:55:01 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 30, 2010, 05:36:18 PM
As repugnant as Phelps et al are they have free speech rights.

And it appears "loser pays" means sometimes the people we would rather see win end up not winning and subsequently paying.

Still, it'd be worth the night in county detention for the privilege of busting Phelps in the cock locker.

Is that his ass , his mouth or both?
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2010, 05:56:52 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 30, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
Is that his ass , his mouth or both?

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Re: Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2010, 06:33:42 PM »
Quote from: vesta111 on March 30, 2010, 09:11:58 AM
Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society. 

EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.

BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.

How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?   

These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.

You know if the men and woman service people were alive  Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc.   They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back.    Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends.  They go for the throat to suck blood  and money from a grieving family.

Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town.    I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.

They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing.    While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.



One person's freedoms end when it tramples on another person's freedom. Case closed.
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2010, 06:35:10 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on March 30, 2010, 06:33:42 PM
One person's freedoms end when it tramples on another person's freedom. Case closed.

It's hate speech, plain and simple what they do. It could be an incitement to riot, just as much as any klan rally could be considered to be.
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