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Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« on: August 01, 2008, 04:45:38 PM »
Should be pretty obvious what this poll is about.

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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 04:50:03 PM »
Should be pretty obvious what this poll is about.

This isn't about porn is it?

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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 04:55:05 PM »
How about "none of the above"?
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 04:58:00 PM »

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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 05:00:42 PM »
Mine would come closest to "intelligent design," but it's not quite the same thing.

God being the First Cause of all things, and all that.

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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2008, 05:46:20 PM »
I would have voted for Directed Evolution.

But that's just how I roll.




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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2008, 06:06:05 PM »
I lean towards both evolution and creationism.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2008, 07:01:52 PM »
How about "none of the above"?
that's my vote.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2008, 07:08:14 PM »
I voted for evolution. I know... big shocker.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2008, 07:09:10 PM »
I would have voted for Directed Evolution.

But that's just how I roll.

The beauty of evolution is that it does not require direction.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 07:15:54 PM »
I would have voted for Directed Evolution.

But that's just how I roll.

The beauty of evolution is that it does not require direction.

Really? Then where are the Neanderthals?
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2008, 07:58:02 PM »
I would have voted for Directed Evolution.

But that's just how I roll.

The beauty of evolution is that it does not require direction.

Really? Then where are the Neanderthals?



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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 08:05:10 PM »
I would have voted for Directed Evolution.

But that's just how I roll.

The beauty of evolution is that it does not require direction.
The written word is a lie and so is evolution.  This was debunked way back in the 1970's by real scientists, scientists who knew we are heading toward a New Ice Age:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc[/youtube]

You can tell this brave scientists is a lateral thinker from the way he dances.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 08:31:03 PM »
I don't see how anyone can think all this shit was just happenstance.

There IS something greater than us, there HAS to be.
My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 08:33:14 PM »
I lean toward creationism and enjoyed reading Bill Dembski's ID theories, but at the end of the day, this doesn't put any more money into my pocket or improve my life in any measurable sense, so i really don't give a shit.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2008, 09:29:15 PM »
Really? Then where are the Neanderthals?

The Neanderthals are doing commercials now.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2008, 09:33:51 PM »
I lean toward creationism and enjoyed reading Bill Dembski's ID theories, but at the end of the day, this doesn't put any more money into my pocket or improve my life in any measurable sense, so i really don't give a shit.

So, you accept Mr. Dembski's hypothesis that life on Earth may have been designed by extraterrestrials?
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2008, 09:34:31 PM »
I would have voted for Directed Evolution.

But that's just how I roll.

The beauty of evolution is that it does not require direction.
The written word is a lie and so is evolution.  This was debunked way back in the 1970's by real scientists, scientists who knew we are heading toward a New Ice Age:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc[/youtube]

You can tell this brave scientists is a lateral thinker from the way he dances.

Outstanding!
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2008, 09:35:50 PM »
I don't see how anyone can think all this shit was just happenstance.

There IS something greater than us, there HAS to be.
I tend to be a kind of gnostic in my belief and so I believe everyone has a connection to God which means that I cannot be threatened, even when I feel like I am being threatened.  I think Jesus made this abundantly clear when he said The Father and I are one.  Everything else, including religion and evolution, is immaterial.

Frank said that God is the First Cause but God is also the only Cause, everything else is only an effect.  Therefore most of what we think of as "problem solving" or "science" is simply messing with effects and that is why it seems hopeless sometimes because it starts to seem like the effect is the cause.  Unless we join back with the First and Only Cause.  The only way to truly solve a problem is to not solve it.  Seek first the Kingdom of Heaven and all else is added on.

As the great spiritual teacher Philip K. Dick wrote, "Matter is plastic in the face of mind."  This means whatever theory people embrace and put their energy and thought into will start to appear to be true.  And things that appear to be evidence and proof will start to manifest.  But as the great poet Yeats notes, "the center cannot hold" this is because trying to stitch together effects, mere echoes of the First and Only Cause is like trying to stitch shadows together.  I mean, one can create the illusion that one has stitched shadows together by rearranging light and reflection but at the end of the day, a shadow is still nothing.

This is why every 10-20 years theories that were thought to be absolutely true are tossed out in favore of theories that were ridiculed 10-20 years earlier.

To go back to Phil, "He causes things to look different so it would appear time has passed."

This is necessary to maintain the illusion because, of course, time doesn't exist, the past, present and future all happen at once, instantaneously.  Evolution is a particularly good trick because it makes time seem so real.  But magicians have been sawing ladies in half forever and yet the ladies always emerge whole from the box.  How did the magician put them back together?  He didn't have to because they were never divided in the first place.  Nothing ever needed to evolve because it was already whole and complete in the first place.

And to be perfectly clear, because I think Phil cocked this up a bit, the First and Only Cause did not create this illusion.  We did.  God can't create anything that isn't perfect therefore we are, in fact, perfect already, it is simply that we don't think we are.  And because we have all the creative power of God behind our thoughts, we can keep this illusion going a long, long time.  Until we get tired of it and decide to return home.  Which we never left but we think we did so we manufacture the evidence that we are somewhere other than where we are.

This is why the world appears to be mad.  But something that does not exist cannot be mad.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2008, 09:38:53 PM »
hey, TNO  . . .

I would gladly joust with you regarding evolution, or lack thereof, but it's friday night . . . . and I just
don't want to get into with you, or what you getting into it with someone else would cause . ..

so, here is my ONE time deal.

stay out of our religion and/or evolution threads . . .  any other topic is okay, just not the incendiary
ones.

I would appreciate it.


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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2008, 09:39:01 PM »

And to be perfectly clear, because I think Phil cocked this up a bit, the First and Only Cause did not create this illusion.  We did.  God can't create anything that isn't perfect therefore we are, in fact, perfect already, it is simply that we don't think we are.  And because we have all the creative power of God behind our thoughts, we can keep this illusion going a long, long time.  Until we get tired of it and decide to return home.  Which we never left but we think we did so we manufacture the evidence that we are somewhere other than where we are.

This is why the world appears to be mad.  But something that does not exist cannot be mad.

Perfection does not exist. It is an entirely abstract concept with no bearing whatsoever on reality.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2008, 09:43:21 PM »
I lean toward creationism and enjoyed reading Bill Dembski's ID theories, but at the end of the day, this doesn't put any more money into my pocket or improve my life in any measurable sense, so i really don't give a shit.

So, you accept Mr. Dembski's hypothesis that life on Earth may have been designed by extraterrestrials?

Show me where Dembski said life on Earth may have been designed by ET's, and I might argue it with you.  I was referring to his theory of specified complexity and saw no mention of alien life forms.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2008, 09:44:24 PM »

And to be perfectly clear, because I think Phil cocked this up a bit, the First and Only Cause did not create this illusion.  We did.  God can't create anything that isn't perfect therefore we are, in fact, perfect already, it is simply that we don't think we are.  And because we have all the creative power of God behind our thoughts, we can keep this illusion going a long, long time.  Until we get tired of it and decide to return home.  Which we never left but we think we did so we manufacture the evidence that we are somewhere other than where we are.

This is why the world appears to be mad.  But something that does not exist cannot be mad.

Perfection does not exist.

After meeting you, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2008, 09:45:10 PM »
hey, TNO  . . .

I would gladly joust with you regarding evolution, or lack thereof, but it's friday night . . . . and I just
don't want to get into with you, or what you getting into it with someone else would cause . ..

so, here is my ONE time deal.

stay out of our religion and/or evolution threads . . .  any other topic is okay, just not the incendiary
ones.

I would appreciate it.



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Re: Simple poll: Evolution, Creationism or ID?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2008, 09:53:20 PM »
Show me where Dembski said life on Earth may have been designed by ET's, and I might argue it with you.  I was referring to his theory of specified complexity and saw no mention of alien life forms.

Here (at about 2:00)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j_SD1EgcUI

...and here...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/03/17/MN141455.DTL&hw=dembski&sn=005&sc=218

Nature's diversity beyond evolution
Debate over 'intelligent design'
Carl T. Hall, Chronicle Science Writer

Sunday, March 17, 2002

Leaving fundamentalist dogma behind, a new species of anti- evolutionists has arisen under the banner of "intelligent design" -- now at the heart of a bitter debate erupting in Ohio about how science and evolution should be taught in the public schools.

...

All are said to be examples of a designer's handiwork. The question of just who -- or what -- that designer might be is usually left open, in part to avoid charges that intelligent design is little more than a stalking horse to sneak God back into the public schools.

"It could be space aliens," said William Dembski, a mathematician and philosopher at Baylor University in Texas and author of "No Free Lunch," a new book on intelligent design. "There are many possibilities."

...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/03/17/MN141455.DTL&hw=dembski&sn=005&sc=218
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