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Some fees are more equal than others
« on: April 17, 2014, 11:14:59 AM »
Remember: Bundy didn't want to pay land-use fees.


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Oklahoma Will Charge Customers Who Install Their Own Solar Panels
Oklahoma residents who produce their own energy through solar panels or small wind turbines on their property will now be charged an additional fee, the result of a new bill passed by the state legislature and expected to be signed into law by Gov. Mary Fallin (R).

On Monday, S.B. 1456 passed the state House 83-5 after no debate. The measure creates a new class of customers: those who install distributed power generation systems like solar panels or small wind turbines on their property and sell the excess energy back to the grid. While those with systems already installed won’t be affected, the new class of customers will now be charged a monthly fee — a shift that happened quickly and caught many in the state off guard.

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onehandle (40,385 posts)

1. When do they start charging people for the air they breathe? nt

Please note this chuckle-head's signature:

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TEA in 'Tea Party' isn't 'Taxed Enough Already,' it's Tolerant Enough Already, because a Black President was the Last Straw.

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warrior1 (11,593 posts)

5. the people of that state need to vote this criminals out of office

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mike_c (33,054 posts)

6. penalized for not contributing maximally to energy company profits....

But it's OK to penalize those who hold up Harry Reid's real estate deals.

This tool was one the ones screaming loudest for the Bundy affair to be violently suppressed:

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20. Oklahoma is run by Big Oil.

Cushing, OK.

Nothing more needs to be said here. Every last politician in OK is owned and operated by big oil (read Koch Brothers).

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mathematic (444 posts)

21. When it's cows on federal land it's freeloading

When its yuppies with solar panels, that's capitalist extortion.

It's the same damn problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Use the grid, pay for the grid.

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23. I don't know

that seems like and apples and oranges comparison to me.

Because ____________ ?

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29. Not the same AT ALL

The grazing fees have been in effect since the late 1980's. Bundy has been sponging off the taxpayers for over 20 years. How are the people with solar panels doing that?

And in 20 years?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024831163
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 11:45:02 AM »
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sell the excess energy back to the grid
Income. DUmmies love income tax.
Why do they hate this?
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 12:07:47 PM »
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...and sell the excess energy back to the grid.

The operative phrase here.  It simply takes away some of the fake economy of these systems, the installation of which is artificially supported by tax breaks and legal gimmicks that make power companies buy power back through the distribution grid whether or not it is of any value at the time of day and location where it goes into the grid.  There would not be any effect on people who want to install a system separate from the grid.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014, 12:32:40 PM by DumbAss Tanker »
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 12:23:01 PM »
Who is the dipshit Dummy that lives in Annapolis?

And how does he feel about the tax levied on the amount of RAIN that falls on his property???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbrown/2014/01/03/when-it-rains-it-pours-tax-dollars-in-maryland/
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 12:52:11 PM »
DUmmies think that governing production of electricity is as simple as mash the pedal for more power right now and let off if not needed right now.   

The only electrical generation system that works anywhere close to that way is "hydro electric stations".....and the DUmbasses want to blow up all the damns so fishes can swim upstream.....well. there are some diesel/gas plants that can start up and shut down rather quickly but then you have the climate change thing the DUmmies will bitch about.

DUmmies should live in caves and eat raw fish.....well, they already think raw fish is the greatest thing ever so they're half way there.
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 02:22:36 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on April 17, 2014, 12:23:01 PM
Who is the dipshit Dummy that lives in Annapolis?

And how does he feel about the tax levied on the amount of RAIN that falls on his property???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbrown/2014/01/03/when-it-rains-it-pours-tax-dollars-in-maryland/

Sparky take a trip over seas to Scotland and Ireland and visit the really old homes there.

Some of these cottages have been preserved for 300 years.  What do you notice about them that makes them special.?

The windows are very small as at one time Britten taxed the air amount coming into a home.

Yup oh, it's the tax man yah, yah the tax man, if you walk to work they tax your feet.
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 02:25:02 PM »
Quote from: Skul on April 17, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
Income. DUmmies love income tax.
Why do they hate this?
Yes, they love income tax. As long as it's not them paying it.
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014, 07:00:36 PM »
Here is an entertaining story from a small Massachusetts community involving taxes and solar panels. I imagine this story is the equivalent of a Chinese Finger Trap to a primitive. Tread lightly, DUmmies..   :rofl:


http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140226/PUB05/402260310/-1/ARCHIVE
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 07:36:49 PM »
Quote from: miskie on April 17, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
Here is an entertaining story from a small Massachusetts community involving taxes and solar panels. I imagine this story is the equivalent of a Chinese Finger Trap to a primitive. Tread lightly, DUmmies..   :rofl:


http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140226/PUB05/402260310/-1/ARCHIVE
I hope a DUmmie sees this.
From what I understand from the article, the guy is selling and making money.
That might be the deciding factor.
Unlike the gNads, I'm not a trained taxorian.
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 10:53:53 PM »
Dummies should be able to understand their own philosophy.

If it works, tax it.  If it doesn't work, subsidize it.

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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2014, 01:03:54 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on April 17, 2014, 12:23:01 PM
Who is the dipshit Dummy that lives in Annapolis?

And how does he feel about the tax levied on the amount of RAIN that falls on his property???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbrown/2014/01/03/when-it-rains-it-pours-tax-dollars-in-maryland/

I have yet to figure that one out.  Taxed, on an event wholly independent of the acts or wants of the property owner.  Mindboggling, yet this is what these retards vote for and probably agree with.

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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2014, 01:07:36 AM »
Quote from: Dori on April 17, 2014, 10:53:53 PM
Dummies should be able to understand their own philosophy.

If it works, tax it.  If it doesn't work, subsidize it.

Nah.....you don't want something like .....



this to happen, do you?   :-)
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2014, 10:19:44 AM »
Taxed for rainfall on your property ??????? God makes it to rain on the righteous and the unrighteous so where do the 'separation of church and state' people stand on this?

Doesn't matter, you're going to be taxed anyway.
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2014, 12:36:07 PM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on April 18, 2014, 01:03:54 AM
I have yet to figure that one out.  Taxed, on an event wholly independent of the acts or wants of the property owner.

...first cousin to eminent domain....
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Re: Some fees are more equal than others
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2014, 01:59:17 PM »
Quote from: marv on April 18, 2014, 12:36:07 PM
...first cousin to eminent domain....
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I seem to remember a family in Michigan that built a home on the lake that they wanted to be totally sufficient.

They built a home, winterized it , heated it with a wood stove, had a well pump in the kitchen an out house out back and used kerosene lamps for light.

To get Electricity to their home would cost a lot so they went with what they had.  Putting in new poles and wire for their distance to the road was a fortune to them.

So they decided to go without and then the Electric company came in and stated as they had access to the electricity they should pay for what they did not get.     Never heard of what happened next------very strange case.
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