2nd Presidential Debate - Nashville, TN Oct. 7 @ 9PM ET Preview/Live Thread

[rich_t]

I was at work and shut my live stream about half way through.  That's how bored I was...but he also lost me at "the government needs to buy these bad loans".  He officially lost my vote tonight.  I keep hoping, praying, that he will say something to change my mind, say something that resembles Sarah Palin's comments...anything, Bueller? nope, nothing.
Now, I can only look ahead to 2012. 
Time to stock up on non-perishables folks,it's going to be a rough ride.

So...  Will you vote for a 3rd party or just sit it out this year?

[Hawkgirl]

So...  Will you vote for a 3rd party or just sit it out this year?

Probably will vote for Bob Barr.  His stances are more in line with my views.

[rich_t]

Probably will vote for Bob Barr.  His stances are more in line with my views.

To each our own. 

Vote your conscience.

At the end of the day, you are the only one that has to live with your decisions.

[Hawkgirl]

To each our own. 

Vote your conscience.

At the end of the day, you are the only one that has to live with your decisions.

If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working.

[rich_t]

If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working.

No no no.

I was sincere when I posted "Vote your conscience".  I meant that.

I'd rather you have the "guts" to vote the way you want, than to give into what is popular with one party or other.

I'd prefer you to be yourself, and not give into peer pressure to drink whatever flavor of koolaide that was popular at the time.

I am sick to death of posts that claim a "vote for a third party" is a vote for Obama.

[Zeus]

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

 MCCAIN................ 65%... 93,828
 OBAMA ................ 32%... 46,270
 NEITHER................ 4% .....5,201

Total Votes: 145,299

[Atomic Lib Smasher]

God, from what I'm reading here and seeing on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox, McCain might as well have gone on stage and drowned a litter of newborn kittens in tonight's debate.


WTF happened??? I thought McCain would really go after Obama on his record, taxes, alliance, etc.

[rich_t]

God, from what I'm reading here and seeing on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox, McCain might as well have gone on stage and drowned a litter of newborn kittens in tonight's debate.


WTF happened??? I thought McCain would really go after Obama on his record, taxes, alliance, etc.

He decided to "play nice" it seems.

It may have very well cost him the election.

[Atomic Lib Smasher]

He decided to "play nice" it seems.

It may have very well cost him the election.

McCain saw what playing nice to the libs did to him in the press when he decided to run for president. Bush tried to play nice with Kennedy and the Swimmer shoved a knife in his back over policies over the last 8 years.... ya wanna reach across the aisle? Fine.. but only to smack the piss out of the libs! McCain should take that lesson.

[delilahmused]

If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working.

Just a tad overly sensitive there aren't you? Seriously, this election is an anomaly. Before Sarah I was just voting against Obama (but was voting within the confines of the 2 party system because the logical part of my brain knows one or the other person will win regardless of my respect for a third party). But the fact that someone would feel compelled to vote a 3rd party this year, well for the dems Obama is a liberal wet dream, isn't a shocker. Voting one's conscience isn't just a right, it's a responsibility. I'm sure you're smart enough to weigh the consequences of your choice. It's the same choice we all face.

Cindie

[Zeus]

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[Hawkgirl]

Just a tad overly sensitive there aren't you? Seriously, this election is an anomaly. Before Sarah I was just voting against Obama (but was voting within the confines of the 2 party system because the logical part of my brain knows one or the other person will win regard less of my respect for a third party). But the fact that someone would feel compelled to vote a 3rd party this year, well for the dems Obama is a liberal wet dream, isn't a shocker. Voting one's conscience isn't just a right, it's a responsibility. I'm sure you're smart enough to weigh the consequences of your choice. It's the same choice we all face.

Cindie

Sensitive? nah...thought Richt was being sarcastic....so based my comment on that....clearly, I misread his post, which can be done on forums where you don't really know a person and false perceptions are comon.
As for voting for McCain because it's a vote against Obama may make you feel better...but I'd rather vote FOR someone than give my vote to someone as a default.
I'm a conservative first, a republican second.  McCain is a disappointment.  I don't fault any conservative for voting for him anyway..but don't judge my vote because I disagree with your reasoning.

Besides I vote how I please...not TO please.

[overlord]

He decided to "play nice" it seems.

It may have very well cost him the election.

Oh well, I guess a four year administration of The Chosen One won't be that  :thatsright:bad

[NHSparky]

If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working.

Like Bob Barr did?  Meh--maybe you and he can pal around at the ACLU offices and defend some child molestors.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

God, from what I'm reading here and seeing on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox, McCain might as well have gone on stage and drowned a litter of newborn kittens in tonight's debate.


WTF happened??? I thought McCain would really go after Obama on his record, taxes, alliance, etc.

Same shit as always: McCain is far too habituated/comfortable with throwing his base under the bus instead of listening to them.

People this is worse than just a WH takeover. Obama could drag additional dems into the House and Senate. Coupled with the RINOs and conservatives too damned scared of opposing The One...

[formerlurker]

Sensitive? nah...thought Richt was being sarcastic....so based my comment on that....clearly, I misread his post, which can be done on forums where you don't really know a person and false perceptions are comon.
As for voting for McCain because it's a vote against Obama may make you feel better...but I'd rather vote FOR someone than give my vote to someone as a default.
I'm a conservative first, a republican second.  McCain is a disappointment.  I don't fault any conservative for voting for him anyway..but don't judge my vote because I disagree with your reasoning.

Besides I vote how I please...not TO please.

Actually it does make me feel better.  

Now you make take the vote-your-principles approach which is perfectly fine in the primaries to a certain point, but at the end of the day is just an exercise in political naiveness.

Bill Clinton won the presidency twice because of the mindset you epouse.   Bill Clinton gutted our military and brought the WoT to NYC.     But hey, the budget was balanced and the economy was just great so it's all good right?

A vote for Bob Barr is a vote in the toilet, and by default a vote for Barrack Hussein Obama.   You casting your vote for anything outside of the Republican party will bring real consequences that will resonate a tad bit more than "serves you right RNC for __________."<---- fill in the blank with whatever whine you have against the party as a whole.     You don't change the RNC that way.   You don't effect change in government that way.   You do end up screwing the country that way.  

You want to leave the party then by all means leave the party.   However a true conservative would rather walk across hot coals than risk placing the likes of Barrack Hussein Obama as CIC and leader of the free world.  Staying home is not an option.   Voting for nonsense candidates is not an option.      Politics is nasty no-so-pretty business and has been that way since our country was founded.  McCain isn't your candidate?  too bad.   McCain is too moderate for you? too bad.    

I will be voting for McCain whether I want to or not, as the alternative is completely unacceptable.  That is the political reality of it all.

 

[miskie]

Same shit as always: McCain is far too habituated/comfortable with throwing his base under the bus instead of listening to them.

People this is worse than just a WH takeover. Obama could drag additional dems into the House and Senate. Coupled with the RINOs and conservatives too damned scared of opposing The One...

Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.

And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.

[formerlurker]

I had Fox & Friends on this morning, and someone (I don't know who as I was just listenin to it and not watching it) made the comment that the market is tanking everyday as a reflection of Obama surging in the polls.   Right now the ecomony is in bed with the flu, but the economy will recover and will be none the worse for it.    With an Obama presidency looming, the economy is in bed with the flu, with a cancer diagnosis emminent.   Raising taxes, huge increases in government spending and mandates could potentially kill the ecomony.   

Think of it -- the government is bailing out Wall Street, yet the market is crashing?   makes no sense really.   The reason for the crash is Barrack Hussein Obama appears to be poised to take the presidency.   

That is a sting that will linger for one hell of a while.

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.

And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.

No. It will serve as cover for socializing the balance of the economy. Seriously, when was the last time the dems stopped, scratched their heads and said, "Maybe we're going about this the wrong way"?

Instead, what they do is exactly what they were doing before only more vigorously.

Do you think the Obama Truth Squads that will be moving into the DoJ will tolerate any alternative narratives on the Fannie/Freddie scandal while the dems blame it on the GOP and vow to make sure no other US sector of the economy is allowed to be deregulated ever again?

Do you think in a money crunch they're going to spend $10 billion/month on the war or are tehy gonna get on TV and say we can't afford it and their sweeping new healthcare reform plan?

Do you think missile defense will survive? If it doesn't do you think Obama will pre-empt Iran or negotiate?

Looking forward to tens of billions being sucked-out of the economy to fund fairy tale alternative energies while the OCS, ANWR and Green River shale sit untapped wiht money pouring into the ME and no new US jobs?

Why defend the border when you can let in 20 million new democrat voters and multi-culturize them honky rednecks to death?

These are rhetorical questions, of course; and I have faith in your answers...



...it's McCain that doesn't seem to have a @#$%ing clue.

[Chris_]

Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.

And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.

THIS TIME it is the democrat's fault and they are acting like they aren't covered in shit at all.  What the hell makes you think they will take the heat 4 years from now?  As long as the MSM is a subsidy of the dnc and the Republican Party continues to not be able to find its big boy panys, the democrats will skate scott free.  We will wake up in the next 15 years and find we are canada writ large and worse -- massive unemployment from capital fleeing onerous taxes, at least one (and probably 2 or 3) massive terrorist attacks on our soil, inflation because of the lack of supply channels: the carter era will seem like a cakewalk.

And the democrats will still blame bush -- shit,. they are blaming Reagan for the current crisis -- and no one is arguing back.

[Wretched Excess]

Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.

And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.

doubt it.  just judging from his past behavior, nothing is The BarackStar!'s fault.  for that matter, the man is incapable of admitting when he's wrong.  if he wins, he will be blaming george bush for his problems right up until election night, 2012, when he calls Sarah Palin to concede the election to her.

[Wretched Excess]

No. It will serve as cover for socializing the balance of the economy. Seriously, when was the last time the dems stopped, scratched their heads and said, "Maybe we're going about this the wrong way"?

Instead, what they do is exactly what they were doing before only more vigorously.

Do you think the Obama Truth Squads that will be moving into the DoJ will tolerate any alternative narratives on the Fannie/Freddie scandal while the dems blame it on the GOP and vow to make sure no other US sector of the economy is allowed to be deregulated ever again?

Do you think in a money crunch they're going to spend $10 billion/month on the war or are tehy gonna get on TV and say we can't afford it and their sweeping new healthcare reform plan?

Do you think missile defense will survive? If it doesn't do you think Obama will pre-empt Iran or negotiate?

Looking forward to tens of billions being sucked-out of the economy to fund fairy tale alternative energies while the OCS, ANWR and Green River shale sit untapped wiht money pouring into the ME and no new US jobs?

Why defend the border when you can let in 20 million new democrat voters and multi-culturize them honky rednecks to death?

These are rhetorical questions, of course; and I have faith in your answers...



...it's McCain that doesn't seem to have a @#$%ing clue.

they would need a total calamity before they could enact the entirety of their real agenda.  the timing and scope of the financial crisis really does concern me that this could be "the perfect storm".  people would have to be scared out of their wits about their futures, and think that they have literally nothing to lose before they could turn over the reins of power to an utter neophyte.

or, it could be one of those situations where people vote in november based on being terrified in october about a problem that really doesn't seem so bad on the day they inaugurate the "panic button candidate".  I recall being truly outraged that the MSM decided that the economy was "well on the way to recovery" . . . the day after bill clinton was elected.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

they would need a total calamity before they could enact the entirety of their real agenda.  the timing and scope of the financial crisis really does concern me that this could be "the perfect storm".  people would have to be scared out of their wits about their futures, and think that they have literally nothing to lose before they could turn over the reins of power to an utter neophyte.

or, it could be one of those situations where people vote in november based on being terrified in october about a problem that really doesn't seem so bad on the day they inaugurate the "panic button candidate".  I recall being truly outraged that the MSM decided that the economy was "well on the way to recovery" . . . the day after bill clinton was elected.

You better believe the headlines of Jan 21, 2009 will read: Economy Rebounds, Pres. Obama Vows, Never Again; Enacts Sweeping Economic Reforms

And in Oct 2012, as the economy has tanked we shall read: Obama Reforms Incomplete as Country Slides Deeper into GOP-Ignited Depression

[Hawkgirl]

You better believe the headlines of Jan 21, 2009 will read: Economy Rebounds, Pres. Obama Vows, Never Again; Enacts Sweeping Economic Reforms

And in Oct 2012, as the economy has tanked we shall read: Obama Reforms Incomplete as Country Slides Deeper into GOP-Ignited Depression

You may get the same headlines with a McCain presidency in regards to the economy as he is aligned with Obama's views and actually sounded even more radical with his statements last night.
It's on the news shows all morning....questioning what he meant last night.  Some pundits were saying maybe he'll help speculators in LA and Miami...hmmm...if that's he case, I should be partying since I'd be a benefactor .....but in principal, it's still wrong to make the taxpayers pay for our mistakes.

[debk]

Obama is on Fox speaking in Tampa (?)....half of what he is saying is what McCain said last night.