You unruly serfs are wasting his time; No. 8 in a series

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Nine (1,159 posts)

If you start a thread poor-mouthing about how you just can't swing ACA...

...you'd better be prepared to share some financial specifics. I want to know what your monthly income is, where that income goes now, and which subsidies you are or are not eligible for. If you're not prepared to disclose that relevant information, don't come on here and say ACA (including the alternative payment) is beyond your means and we all just need to take your word on that.

AAO (1,919 posts)

66. Should be VERY interesting...

pintobean (10,070 posts)

4. You want account numbers
 
and copies of tax returns?

Nine (1,159 posts)

5. No, I want people to stop wasting our time.
 
No one is required to start a thread complaining that ACA is too expensive for them. It's a waste of everyone's time to start such a thread if you're not prepared to share some specifics.

datasuspect (26,455 posts)

10. wasting "our" time?
 
who the **** is the "our" or "we" that you are speaking for?

Snotcicles (5,050 posts)

15. Me for one. nt

datasuspect (26,455 posts)

17. well give me your home address

and i will mail you all my financials and details.

Snotcicles (5,050 posts)

52. Nah, you might post it elsewhere so I could get death threats. nt

Enrique (23,655 posts)

6. do you demand the same from people with positive ACA experiences? n/t

datasuspect (26,455 posts)

8. positive ACA experience anecdotes

are in conformity with the official message, so no proof is required. just hosannas and huzzahs.

Nine (1,159 posts)

14. If you're pointing out a problem with the system, you need to share specifics.
 
If someone, in the spirit of Warren Buffet, feels their ACA cost is too low for someone in their income range, I'd be interested in hearing that too. But without some specifics, it would be just as useless a complaint.

Analogy: If you buy software and it doesn't work properly and you go on a forum to complain about it, people are going to ask you about your operating system and other technical details in order to get at the root of the problem. If you aren't prepared to answer those questions, your post would be a waste of time.

datasuspect (26,455 posts)

13. what is your motivation for trying to control the tone of messaging on this forum?
 
how does this benefit you personally?

Nuclear Unicorn (8,975 posts)

24. An insurance agent.

JoePhilly (17,879 posts)

37. The generic complaining is going to be a short term phenomenon.
 
First, the technical glitches will get worked out for the most part in the next couple months. So that entire line of complaints will die off quickly. The media is all over it today because its a shinny object. I just heard the morning Joe crew say that the government should have waited to open it up because it wasn't ready. Really? If the government waited to open it, the morning Joe fools would be saying that it should never open at all. It had to open on Oct 1st. And now that its open, its staying open.

Second, the complaining about the ACA has been endless up to it opening. And, that complaining was filled with nonsense. And countering it was tough because the ACA had yet to really start. Now that its real, its going to get easier to deal with this element of the complaining. All of the nonsense complaints will similarly come to and end.

Lastly, because the ACA is not perfect, come complaining will remain, and some of it will be legitimate. Complaints in this category can be organized into groups, and then handled by expanding and improving the law and the program. If there are lots and lots of people who get a worse deal than before, the complaints about that will become well enough defined to engage it.

I wouldn't worry too much about the complaining. The law is much better than what we had before, and it will continue to improve.

Bluenorthwest (27,587 posts)

41. Which Party's members usually say 'if you claim to be poor we want to know what food
 
you eat and if you have a TV and air conditioning'? Not the Democratic Party, that's for sure. 'Poor mouthing'? Seriously? Is that you Elizabeth?

http://realworldnews.tumblr.com/post/63666912913/fox-news-hasselbeck-calls-air-conditioning-the-ugly

Nine (1,159 posts)

57. "Obamacare is bad and overly burdensome to the not-rich and I am proof of that."
 





"Well, what's your income range? What plan are you trying to get? Are you a family or an individual? Are you ineligible for subsidies? What does your monthly budget look like if you are claiming you don't have anything to spare at that income level?"

"Sorry, I'm not sharing any of that information."

"Ok, then. I'm sorry you're having difficulty but there's nothing really more to discuss and you can't really hold yourself up as an example of how the system is flawed if you're unwilling to provide any specifics."


I'm not imposing a rule. I'm just saying there's no point in making such a post. Without specifics, there's nothing to really discuss.

And this has nothing in common with interrogating poor people about how they budget their money. The ACA was designed to help those with less financial means and to make sure those with greater financial means are paying their fair share. If you voluntarily make a claim that the system isn't working as it should and voluntarily use yourself as an example, it's not unreasonable for people to ask questions about your financial circumstances and dismiss your complaint if you are unwilling to answer those questions.

As I said upthread, you wouldn't complain that some software doesn't work for you and then refuse to say what operating system you have or answer any other technical inquiries.

emphasis original

Bluenorthwest (27,587 posts)

60. How can the following have nothing in common with interrogating poor people?

First lines of your OP say this:
 "If you start a thread poor-mouthing about how you just can't swing ACA...
...you'd better be prepared to share some financial specifics. I want to know what your monthly income is, where that income goes now."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023826973

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie says "Analogy: If you buy software and it doesn't work properly and you go on a forum to complain about it, people are going to ask you about your operating system and other technical details in order to get at the root of the problem. If you aren't prepared to answer those questions, your post would be a waste of time."

You buy into Obamacareand and it doesn't work properly....they tell you your operating system has crashed.....and to get at the root of the problem you will be shut down...your problem is a waste of time/resources.....next patient please.

[Bad Dog]

Nothing sadder than an authoritarian with no actual authority.

[Karin]

Nothing sadder than an authoritarian with no actual authority.

Man, you can say that again!  Who the hell is that guy?  Who does he think he is?  And does he think DU is only internet place where people talk?  

Response to Nine (Original post)
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 07:56 AM
dawg (5,919 posts)
3. The only people who have a legitimate gripe ...

are those just above the Medicaid line living in states with doucebag republican governors. All others are making enough to afford their portion of the premiums.

 

Even if they're $875/month on a $36K salary?  How about those out-of-pockets? 

By the time the thread bottoms out, everyone's telling him to **** off. 

[Mike220]

The Nein DUmmy hasn't been around long enough to make demands like that. Get ready for the shit storm, DUmbass.

[jukin]

As long as the same standard is applied to all the welfare, section H8, food stamps, WIC,.....

I'm all for it.

dawg (5,919 posts)
3. The only people who have a legitimate gripe ...

are those just above the Medicaid line living in states with doucebag republican governors. All others are making enough to afford their portion of the premiums.

Also, insurance, including the ACA, doesn't exist to pay *all* your bills for you. It exists to pay for things a normal person could never afford in the ordinary course of a year. Major expenses. Things that ruin families without insurance now. I have very little sympathy for those complaining about the deductibles and copays. IF they are more than what you have had before, it's because your current policy has coverage holes in it, lifetime maximums, or is designed to shaft you in some other way. (right when you need it the most)

Yeah, like those $400/month premiums that come with $6000 deductibles and $50 copays. They are getting really scared that King Barky the Liar lied to sell his scam of the cACA. As I said when Obama was out there lying all the time, "Would you buy a used car from this man?"  The poor stupid Duches would.

[Wineslob]

Damn, I really want to kick these assholes in the teeth...................but I'll let the ACA do that.


****ing tools.

[98ZJUSMC]

Nothing sadder than an authoritarian with no actual authority.

Can I give two 's?

Perfect.

[98ZJUSMC]

As I said when Obama was out there lying all the time, "Would you buy a used car from this man?"  The poor stupid Duches would.

Like they would have listened?

EDIT:
Wow....quite the campfire going on.

[98ZJUSMC]

displacedtexan (12,863 posts)
94. Good try!

The complaints I've read seem to be from two groups: those who find out that their insurance company and/or state is screwing them; and those who already have health insurance but were hoping to get a better deal from the government.

Bashing the entire concept of the ACA in the first weeks of the roll out is what I find disheartening. This law is based on nothing but human kindness.

 

Good.  God.

[Dori]

This law is based on nothing but human kindness.

What a moonbat.

Vladimir Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State"

[Wineslob]

This law is based on nothing but human kindness.

Actually the DUmmie(s) are right. Just like here in Cali, they are MORE than happy to show you how to FINANCE your premiums.

[Gina]

displacedtexan (12,863 posts)
94. Good try!

The complaints I've read seem to be from two groups: those who find out that their insurance company and/or state is screwing them; and those who already have health insurance but were hoping to get a better deal from the government.

Bashing the entire concept of the ACA in the first weeks of the roll out is what I find disheartening. This law is based on nothing but human kindness.

You are a damn idiot

"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."

[DLR Pyro]

Nine (1,159 posts)

5. No, I want people to stop wasting our time.
 
No one is required to start a thread complaining that ACA is too expensive for them. It's a waste of everyone's time to start such a thread if you're not prepared to share some specifics.

No one is required to read a thread complaining that aca is too expensive for them.  Same as no one is required to watch Fox News or Listen to Rush Limbaugh, but you DUmmies act like people are helpless to not read a thread they don't want to read, not watch a news channel they don't want to watch or not listen to a radio show they don't want to listen to. 

You DUmmies are supposed to be the champions of allowing people to choose, yet you do everything possible to stiffle people from exercising their right to chose when you don't agree with their choices.

[Ptarmigan]

Here is the routine. You got what you wanted DUmmies.

[I_B_Perky]

The link:

Nine lays down the law!!!

The OP:

Nine (1,164 posts)

If you start a thread poor-mouthing about how you just can't swing ACA...
...you'd better be prepared to share some financial specifics. I want to know what your monthly income is, where that income goes now, and which subsidies you are or are not eligible for. If you're not prepared to disclose that relevant information, don't come on here and say ACA (including the alternative payment) is beyond your means and we all just need to take your word on that.

Huge bonfire.

Some comments picked at random:

bvar22 (31,758 posts)
224. The OP and 104 members of DU believe that it is perfectly fine,

...and are making up their own New Rules requiring people who are struggling to make ends meet to post that information on a Public Board.
I am embarrassed that something like this would be posted at DU,
much less make the Greatest Page.

Things ain't what they used to be.


You will know them by their WORKS.

Watch yourself dummie.

bread_and_roses (5,763 posts)
237. Second that, bvar (n/t)

You too!!!!

lamp_shade (10,218 posts)
2. Thank you, Nine. Your advice is sorely needed around here lately. n/t

Butt kisser

dawg (5,922 posts)
3. The only people who have a legitimate gripe ...
are those just above the Medicaid line living in states with doucebag republican governors. All others are making enough to afford their portion of the premiums.

Also, insurance, including the ACA, doesn't exist to pay *all* your bills for you. It exists to pay for things a normal person could never afford in the ordinary course of a year. Major expenses. Things that ruin families without insurance now. I have very little sympathy for those complaining about the deductibles and copays. IF they are more than what you have had before, it's because your current policy has coverage holes in it, lifetime maximums, or is designed to shaft you in some other way. (right when you need it the most)

You just now figuring that out?

joshcryer (42,183 posts)
19. I have to agree with this, the ACA is a raw deal for people in those states.

And ultimately they will have to press their states to modify it.

But this comes down to the SCOTUS decision to screw over people in states that refused to oblige.

It's the USSC that is at fault!!!!

Jeff In Milwaukee (12,928 posts)
23. No, the ACA is not a raw deal

Having a governor who is a massive douchebag is a raw deal.

It's the govs that is at fault!!!!

Jeff In Milwaukee (12,928 posts)
35. I know because I have one

They don't get any douchier that Scott Walker. We've having 92,000 thrown off our state health insurance program and forced to use the ACA, which will be higher because it's private insurance and not Medicaid.

I hope that means 92,000 people who will be voting for whoever opposed Walker in 2014.

Hmmm... if they were on medicaid, shouldn't they still be on it?

joshcryer (42,183 posts)
43. The people are going to get rid of these idiot governors.

I mean, let's be honest, the vast majority of Americans are going to be for this. It's another reason the Republicans are so against the ACA. It means their people get voted out of office regularly from now on. Anyone who is against it, gone.

Recall in Wisconsin anyone? Colorado?

Then the next dozen or so replies, which I won't bring over, are complaints by people in various states with the same bitch.

Huge bonfire.

[Dori]

As long as the same standard is applied to all the welfare, section H8, food stamps, WIC,.....

I'm all for it.

Yeah, like those $400/month premiums that come with $6000 deductibles and $50 copays. They are getting really scared that King Barky the Liar lied to sell his scam of the cACA. As I said when Obama was out there lying all the time, "Would you buy a used car from this man?"  The poor stupid Duches would.

My understanding of Obamacare in a nutshell is; that between the monthly premiums, out of pocket expense and copays, an average middle income family is out about $10,000 a year.  That is a big chunk after you add in the federal and state taxes. 

I honestly don't see Obamacare surviving the way it's set up.  There are too many people who just won't sign up for it, because they can't afford it, plain and simple.