primitives discuss racism; prove they don't have a clue

[USA4ME]

Recursion

Racism is not a personal moral flaw. It's a role you play in a system.
  
Maybe we need to do a better job of communicating that, but once upon a time DU understood that. The white side of my family in Mississippi were not sick evil people in the 1960's who became less evil over time; they were good people in a sick system that became (somewhat) less sick over time.

Being checked about racism is not an assault on your virtue; it's a reminder of the roles you play often without seeing them. Racism is not about you (sic) and never was, and it doesn't help discussion to take it that way.

Just a multiracial American's (whose kids, inshallah, will be even "more" multiracial) two cents...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023046106

OK, so they want to define racism to where one is declared racist simply because they were born into a certain race and therefore has advantages over others. Can they get any more immature?  Yes, they can.

Let's see it further explained by the OP:

Recursion

14. I think the words I bolded are what I really care about: it's not about the "racist".
 
You see this a lot in responses to sexual harassment too: the response becomes about the harasser to exclusion of the harassee. The person saying or doing something racist may be a very good or very bad person and may have the best or worst intentions but that is completely beside the point either way. It's not about them.

Somebody made a great post when a fan harassed a female author at a sci fi convention last year:


If you step on my foot, you need to get off my foot.

If you step on my foot without meaning to, you need to get off my foot.

If you step on my foot without realizing it, you need to get off my foot.

If everyone in your culture steps on feet, your culture is horrible, and you need to get off my foot.

If you have foot-stepping disease, and it makes you unaware you’re stepping on feet, you need to get off my foot. If an event has rules designed to keep people from stepping on feet, you need to follow them. If you think that even with the rules, you won’t be able to avoid stepping on people’s feet, absent yourself from the event until you work something out.

If you’re a serial foot-stepper, and you feel you’re entitled to step on people’s feet because you’re just that awesome and they’re not really people anyway, you’re a bad person and you don’t get to use any of those excuses, limited as they are. And moreover, you need to get off my foot.

See, that’s why I don’t get the focus on classifying harassers and figuring out their motives. The victims are just as harassed either way.

Yeah, but you didn't address those of us who aren't standing on anybody's foot but are accused of doing so anyway.  See, that's where I and many conservatives have always been.

Oh I know, I really am standing on someone's foot but I'm just not willing to accept it.  That's a bunch of baloney.  The one claiming their foot is being stepped on is capable of lying, right? If not, then you're making these foot stepping victims less than human.  In fact, it just could be that society has demonstrated to them that lying about having someone step on your foot could gain them some advantage.  That's quite possible, right? Of course it is.

Much to the chagrin of the left, whether one was stepped on and who did the stepping is not solely up to the person making the claim they were stepped on, nor should it be. That viewpoint is ripe for abuse, and it has been used inappropriately for way too long. People who know they aren't stepping on anyone are ignoring those who are hurling accusations that they are. And they should.

JustAnotherGen

1. This is an interesting thread
 
Another multiracial American here . . . I do feel that being a bigot is a flaw - moral or otherwise. That's just my opinion. I'm also at 40 years of age too damn tired to try and set people straight that are bigots on a day to day basis. My feeling is that this is 2013 and they are already being left behind to wallow in their own ignorance so time is on my side.

Racism (structural and built into society) - I'm in total agreement with. "A reminder of the roles you often play without seeing them." But that's like trying to get SOME white DU'ers to understand white privilege. It's beyond some folks here and they refuse to admit they are the dominant image of 'perfection' in America. They refuse the reality - so they can't be reasoned with.

See, racism is "structural and built into society." You may not have a racist thought or motive in your head, but simply by virtue of you being white, you are racist and don't even realize the privilege you have.

How stupid!

Look libs, normal people just aren't going to live their lives this way; they don't have the time to bother with such nonsense.  I go out and do things, I live my life, I enjoy my family and friends (of all races), I work, I enjoy a round of golf every now and then...  But, I'm not going to go into a business deal with someone who just happens to be black with some notion that because I'm white there's automatically some racial component involved where I have privileges that the black guy doesn't.  That's not how I work, nor is it how other normal people of all races work.  I deal with people, not their race.  If you want to fret over such mundane things, then feel free.  Just leave us real Americans out of it.

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[FlaGator]

World English Dictionary
 


racism or racialism  (ˈreɪsɪzÉ™m, ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzÉ™m)



 

 

— n



1.

the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others



2.

abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief



That is all.

[Ptarmigan]

DUmmies are some of the most bigoted and racist people I have encountered.

[Zathras]

Hell, the DUmbasses don't have a clue when discussing anything.

[Vagabond]

Racism? DUmmies practice racism every single day of their lives.  People like Recursion insist that the system give them special perks over things that are over and deep in the past.  

They insist that people like Dr. Carson should "support the system that benefited them."  I can't prove that Dr. Carson may not have got a little extra consideration going into med school or getting a job as a doctor, but I do know this, Dr. Carson doesn't become a world renowned brain surgeon because he got extra consideration due to the color of his skin, he got it by being one of the best of the best, and no way exists for his skin color got him there.  If you support him or his views, however, you are a racist, somehow.

Compare this to one Barrack Hussein Obama.  White mother.  Raised by white grandparents.  Sent to the best preparatory schools in Hawaii.  Given the advantage of an Ivy league education.  Used a full time job as an associate lawyer at a law firm to write his first memoirs instead of actually working.  However, he had to dark skin thanks to a father he never met.  He went into the street and organized a community that worse worse off for his efforts, anyone wondering why was a racist.  He ran for state legislature, and all sorts of dirty information surfaced about his opponents, if you ask how or why, you are a racist.  He ran for US Senator, and information about his opponents marriage bubbles to the surface, if you ask why, you are a racist.  He ran for president, encouraged his legions to get in the faces of his opponents supporters, encouraged violence, and implied that failure to vote for him was racist.  If you ask why, then you are a racist.  If you oppose his agenda, for good demonstrable reasons, you are labeled a racist and potential terrorist.

C'mon Buzzy, I'm sure you have an answer.  Why is it that supporting Dr. Carson is declared to be racist while not supporting BO is racist.

[Wineslob]

DUmmies, a bit obsessed with racism, aren't we? Why is that? Why is it important that it be at the forefront of all things? Why is it necessary that it exist in your demented world?

[JohnnyReb]

White privilege.....OK....where do I apply for some affirmative action and some over priced minority government contracts?

[Karin]

JustAnotherGen

1. This is an interesting thread

You couldn't be more wrong.  It's a tedious and tiresome thread.  I'm sick to death of all things "race." 

I started to read an article about some loony white privilege convention (an expose).  I got through the first page and couldn't stomach another word.

There's a huge thread over there, started by cali, where she states that just because she disagrees with obozo's policies, she's not a racist.  As you here are all aware, we've been accused of that for the past 5-1/2 years.  They're now starting to sic that on each other.  Good times, good times.   

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Proglodytes claim racism is structural in society to explain away their individual failures and to incite a voting bloc. They have to, they are collectivists.

However, this tactic -- as with all their schemes -- will backfire on them.

If racism is societal and not individual then no individual need be punished for racism. It isn't the individual's fault if they act in a racist manner, it is society's fault and until society changes then they are to be excused.

But how can society change unless individuals change?

See, that’s why I don’t get the focus on classifying harassers and figuring out their motives. The victims are just as harassed either way.

And this is why you should never be allowed near the instruments of law and governance.

If you treat someone who inadvertently and unawares steps on another person's foot while trying engage in innocent business with the same degree of harshness as a malicious foot stomper than you have no right laying claim to the institutions of society.

But you little tyrants are even worse.

You aren't seeking to condemn whites for stepping on black feet regardless of motive, you're seeking to punish whites for having their own feet because they might some day, somewhere under some circumstance step on another's foot or they descended from someone who stepped on someone's foot and they inherited the foot gene or they merely share the same skin color as someone who once stepped on a foot.

[jukin]

From what I can glean, if any minority gets off the democrat (KKK, Jim Crow, Pro slave owner) party, they get called the most vile things I have ever heard.  However, that's OKEY DOKEY because????

Please answer LUrking DUchebags, why is that OK?
Why are you not racists for spewing the vile hatred toward blacks and brown people if they disagree with the racist policies of the democrat party?

[Duke Nukum]

Dear DUmmies

Democrats and Progressives more or less created and codified racism and thought it was a good thing.

DUmmie heroine, Margarete Sanger, initially started Planned Parenthood to kill babies of color.

There is more, much, much more, but I only have time to be brief right now.

Anyway, until you guys are ready to face up to your racist past, you're just blowing air.

[BlueStateSaint]

DUmmies, a bit obsessed with racism, aren't we? Why is that? Why is it important that it be at the forefront of all things? Why is it necessary that it exist in your demented world?

Projection.

Plain and simple.  They project what exists within themselves (and hope to find in their enemies) on their political enemies.  It justifies their hatred of the other side.

[Rebel]

DUmmies, a bit obsessed with racism, aren't we? Why is that? Why is it important that it be at the forefront of all things? Why is it necessary that it exist in your demented world?

It's the only thing that have left. They can't defend the ****ing failure they elected on anything else, because nothing is improving, only getting worse, so they're doubling down.