In another thread, chitownchica said,
Maybe Obama bought all those bullets to use on the DUmmies when they revolt.
Can't wait to see how the primitives respond when they hear their vet bills are going up to pay for Obamacare.
http://miami.cbslocal.com...e-you-at-the-vets-office/
Well, she got her wish...
...and so did the little tyrants:
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
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Seriously, what can be done to ensure that these vultures do not pass these costs on to consumers. There has to be some kind of government protection to help people that have pets that are going to be robbed by these vets in the name of the Affordable Care Act... The worse part is that they shamelessly admit that they will pass on the increases to their customers. I guess I will start using the Humane Society for all my pets medical needs, didn't want to go that route but I can't afford cost increases in vet care, hopefully the Humane Society doesn't raise their prices too....
Bay Boy (465 posts)
1. Are you calling the veterinarians vultures?
That seems unfair. Why shouldn't they pass along a price increase. That said I don't see why a vet should be paying an excise tax for equipment that isn't intended for human use.
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
6. Yes to those vets
That would pass along a tax cost that was specifically used to benefit humans as part of animal care I would call them vultures, not saying all would do that but some may.
kestrel91316 (44,569 posts)
29. I'm a veterinarian. I pass along all costs of doing
business to my CLIENTS (they aren't customers - I'm no shopkeeper).
All businesses do. You don't hear of wages being cut every time some supply or piece of equipment goes up in price. But you WILL eventually see retail costs rise.
And the "devices" that will go up in price because of the tax are things like intravenous catheters, which cost me a buck or two each from my wholesaler. And when I charge $50 or whatever to place that IV catheter, 95% of my fee is professional services, truth be told, and 5% is cost of supplies. So the thing has a slightly higher cost now, maybe $1.10 or $2.20. It's hardly worth noting.
The fears that this is going to make vet costs skyrocket is complete and utter bull shit and RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA.
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
33. Nuts
I understand this is just a few cents now, but the point is the same, what if government keeps raising your taxes, your reply is you just keep on passing the costs on to consumers? That is insane so am I do believe every time Obama says that the rich should pay more he is advocating my (lower middle class) costs going up?
Where is your compassion... I hope everyone boycotts your business for passing on costs you are no different than Papa Johns and Denny's saying that their costs go up because of the PPACA....
STOP and extrapolate your capitalist greed across every single business sector are you telling me that won't wind up hurting me the low wage consumer that is barely making ends meet now?
THINK THINK THINK...
christx30 (1,133 posts)
49. Taxes are just another expense.
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They raise the price of power to the building, prices go up
They raise the rent. Prices go up.
They raise the cost of raw materials, prices go up.
Why are taxes any different? How is it greed to say "It's more expensive for me to run my business now. I either need to raise my prices or shut my doors." Sometimes businesses complain loudly (and in Papa John's case, annoyingly) and threaten to raise prices. Some keep it quiet. But when taxes go up, prices go up. Hell... look at your cable/internet bill. Probably a full 1/3rd of the total bill is taxes and government imposed fees. Can't do anything about it. It's just there. If you've ever seen this and thought to yourself that you might need to change your services to compensate, you are no better than anyone that raises their prices to compensate for increased taxes. It's not greed. It's just the economic reality.
If your expenses went up (rent raised, had a kid, ect), wouldn't you try to get a raise from your boss? How is that not greed?
I have no problem with taxes. But I do know that there is a cost when they are raised. Everyone wants to make as much money from their products and services as they can. But if you wouldn't take a pay cut, why should anyone else?
Ruby the Liberal (23,212 posts)
3. You are blaming vets because their overhead went up due to an excise tax?
Wow.
Arthur Laffer just called and said,
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
7. So what does the PPACA
have to do with animals?
Ruby the Liberal (23,212 posts)
12. Do you read what you post before you hit 'submit'?
From your article, emphasis added:
Its part of a new 2.3-percent federal excise tax on certain medical devices that just went into effect. The tax will help fund the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, intended for people, not pets. Manufacturers pay the tax, but a recent survey found more than half plan to pass it along.
Emphasis from DU post.
greatlaurel (6 posts)
5. This smells of desperation by the GOP
The GOP is getting really desperate to try and stop the ACA. Once it is implemented and it gives people any relief, the GOP will loose a lot more elections, after all the ridiculous claims they have made about ACA. This is just another attempt to frighten gullible people into hysteria about the ACA.
The biggest cost for vets is paying off their outrageous student loans. That is a big driver of vet costs. The other price driver is the cost of animal drugs. Once big pharma got vet antibiotics regulated, I noticed drug prices went way up. Used to be able to go to the farm store or mill and get antibiotics for your animals without a vet visit. The factory "farms" still use the vast majority of antibiotics in the USA. That is a huge source of the scary antibiotic resistance problem.
So...
-- regulations getting slapped on vet meds drives up prices
-- but slapping 20,000 regs on health care driving-up prices is a desperate gambit by a "loosing" GOP
Do these **** nuggets even try to appear consistent in the same post?
Apparently not because this idiot got nothing but praise.
Tanuki (1,475 posts)
10. Excellent first post---welcome to DU! eom
SunSeeker (3,922 posts)
26. Welcome. We can always use another voice of reason here!
Auntie Bush (14,827 posts)
38. Welcome to DU Greatlaurel
****ing idiots.
southernyankeebelle (9,996 posts)
16. People need to understand doctors and dentists are being hit also. They have alot of expenses
they have to have. They have to meet payroll. I know I have a relative that is a dentist and this relative paid 50% in taxes and this relative is still going to owe the government $30,000. This relative spent 12 yrs becoming a dentist. This relative also had breast cancer and if she didn't have some of her friends help pick up some of the slack I don't know what would have happened. She had to worry not only about her but also her employees. It is very sad that big corporations aren't paying the fair share of taxes. Doctors are hurting to.
DreamGypsy (872 posts)
51. GIVE ME A BREAK: Medical devices are generally NOT single use ...
... so any increase in cost can/will be amortized over the usages.
If a $10,000.00 device increases in cost by 2.3%, that's $230.00. If the device is has an expected lifetime of 1000 usages before replacement or repair, that's 23 cents per use ... passed on to the the client by the veterinarian...per treatment or usage.
The people that care for my dogs are outstanding professional, caring women and men. I respect the integrity of each vet, vet assistant, and clerical person at the animal hospital. The love my dogs...not quite as much as I do...but almost.
My vets understand that some people are unable to pay the full costs for treatment of their animal companions and they accept donations from those of us who can afford more to support those who cannot. I am more than happy to give all my spare quarters to support the care of my community's animal companions.
To kestrel91316 - thanks for devoting your life to caring for our animal companions/teachers.
To greatlaurel - welcome. you exposed the core problem...the purpose of the media is to incite panic.
dballance (2,801 posts)
54. You Can't Possibly Be Serious
You pay for services rendered every day. If a vendor raises their rates then you live with it. We all commonly live with gas stations raising their rates all the time. There isn't a lot we can do about that since we need to drive to work.
You want government protection from vendors increasing prices? That's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately. You're whining about 2.3 percent? Really? So if you cannot afford two cents on the dollar then perhaps you should reconsider whether or not you can afford a pet in the first place.
If the people who drill and mine for the energy sources that allow these morons to sit around and post their hateful idiocy day-after-day were given even half of the benefit of the doubt as vets DU wouldn't be half the toxic cesspool it is.
But then they need a toxic cesspool because they need villains to justify their Napoleon complexes.
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