Okay, as most here know, franksolich pays a great deal of attention to the fund drives necessary to support and maintain Skins's island, watching very carefully to be sure the bucks flow in at a steady and healthy pace.
franksolich has done this for years and years and years.
It's now Thursday afternoon, well into the fifth day of the 3rd quarter fund-drive for Skins's island, and as of right now, less than 480 primitives have contributed to my fellow alum, or less than 100 primitives per day.
This is an outrage.
According to BadCat's newest DUmp Diver, there are circa 2,500 primitives inhabiting Skins's island, real-estate kindly provided by my fellow alum, for the primitives to romp and play.
The goal of 1,000 donating primitives should've been reached within the first six hours of the beginning of the fund drive, especially given that the primitives are always boasting about how giving, how generous, they are.
This is an outrage. franksolich is getting pissed.
Part of the problem is, my fellow alum Skins's otherworldly manner; money doesn't mean a damned thing to Skins, as he's interested in higher things. To my fellow alum, money is just something that happens, and if it doesn't happen, well, that's okay; it's the same as if it happens, if it doesn't happen.
Skins is so non-materialistic he makes an ascetic look fat and decadent.
But franksolich on this side understands money is necessary, especially for the maintenance of real-estate.
franksolich is seriously considering bringing over campfires and comments only by primitives who've loosened their wallets so as to fatten Skins's.
Now, if that doesn't jack up the fund drive, nothing will.
All of my trolls have donated, Frank. I think the economic downturn has hit the DUmpmonkiez in their wallets.
Well, thank you, sir, but I think it's up to the bona fide primitives to put their money where their mouths are, coughing up stomachloads of cash for Skins.
I nag, I prod, and it has some effect, or so it appears, but not what it should.
I'm at my wits' end.
Now I'm thinking of something else, but of course I would have to consult with our esteemed colleague Mr. Wiggum, as the Top 10 DUmmies (Primitives) are a joint venture between the two of us.
I'm wondering if we should make it a rule that only donating primitives would be eligible for nomination and selection in the Top 10 at the end of the year.
No donation, no making the list.
Maybe that would light a fire under the tightwad primitives' posteriors.
Forgive my ignorance but other than bringing attention to the true nature of the "skin"flints, why is this so important franksolich? If he goes in the hole, so be it.
Maybe we should consider donating to the DU. I mean, they do provide us a good deal of fun with their random neural firings.
Forgive my ignorance but other than bringing attention to the true nature of the "skin"flints, why is this so important franksolich? If he goes in the hole, so be it.
It's the old school tie.
Skins scratches franksolich's back, franksolich scratches Skins's back.
Plenty of moles have probably donated already. :evillaugh:
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-20-10 09:29 AM
Original message
We're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Let's talk.
So, it's now Friday, and as I post this we haven't even reached 600 donations yet. Unless we experience some kind of miraculous and unprecedented turn-around, we aren't going to reach our goal of 1000 donations by Sunday night. But before you stop reading, the point of this post is not to beg you to dig deep and donate and put us over the top. On the contrary, the point of this post is to tell you this:
Message received.
You don't like what DU has become. Maybe you have very specific complaints, or maybe you don't really know exactly what it is that you don't like. But what you do know is that you wish it was more like the old DU. A community. A place that was special. Where we had big disagreements, but at least you felt like we all had something in common.
Yeah, I miss that DU, too.
I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired.
That was the most pathetic tripe i've ever read before. The lamewad was actually whining about how hard it is to stifle discussion, and ensure only one viewpoint could be heard. Un****ingbelievable. ::)
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-20-10 09:29 AM
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We're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Let's talk. Updated at 9:29 AM
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So, it's now Friday, and as I post this we haven't even reached 600 donations yet. Unless we experience some kind of miraculous and unprecedented turn-around, we aren't going to reach our goal of 1000 donations by Sunday night. But before you stop reading, the point of this post is not to beg you to dig deep and donate and put us over the top. On the contrary, the point of this post is to tell you this:
Message received.
You don't like what DU has become. Maybe you have very specific complaints, or maybe you don't really know exactly what it is that you don't like. But what you do know is that you wish it was more like the old DU. A community. A place that was special. Where we had big disagreements, but at least you felt like we all had something in common.
Yeah, I miss that DU, too.
I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired.
Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Aug-20-10 09:36 AM
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5. Sympathies, Boss
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 09:49 AM by Maeve
Things change, but I still think Will Rogers got it right..."I don't belong to an organized political party; I'm a Democrat." And that's more obvious when we're in power than when we're not.
edited to add: well, you're one donation closer, anyway!
DU Admin and mods are the best on the Internet!!!
I think it might not be a bad thing that we're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Perhaps it will provide us with justification to experiment with some really radical changes to this place. The Admins have discussed a lot of ideas, but we honestly don't know what's going to work, or what you all will be willing to accept. I think, to start, we're probably going to post some kind of member survey next week to better understand your attitudes, and get feedback on a bunch of different ideas. I'll be curious to learn if you are willing to try any of them.
bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #23
542. Further, some of us are literally dying, and it doesn't matter to others.
It comes to the point where it is no longer possible to care when you aren't receiving care.
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 09:29 AM
Original message
We're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Let's talk.
So, it's now Friday, and as I post this we haven't even reached 600 donations yet. Unless we experience some kind of miraculous and unprecedented turn-around, we aren't going to reach our goal of 1000 donations by Sunday night. But before you stop reading, the point of this post is not to beg you to dig deep and donate and put us over the top. On the contrary, the point of this post is to tell you this:
Message received.
You don't like what DU has become. Maybe you have very specific complaints, or maybe you don't really know exactly what it is that you don't like. But what you do know is that you wish it was more like the old DU. A community. A place that was special. Where we had big disagreements, but at least you felt like we all had something in common.
Yeah, I miss that DU, too.
I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired.
We (the DU Admins) knew that having a Democratic Administration would make things a lot more complicated and difficult here on DU, but I don't think we really had any clue how difficult it would be. I know that many of you believe the solution is simple. I know this because you send me scolding shame-on-you emails demanding that I do {whatever} and then DU would be better. I wish I shared your certainty.
We have been very cautious and deliberate in our attempts to improve the way we run DU, and I think -- especially on the moderator-side -- we have made a lot of very important progress. But the whole effort has the feeling of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Our approach has been to "do what we've always been doing, only better," but I am starting to think that much more radical change is necessary.
Here's the problem in a nutshell: Back when Bush was President, he represented the center of gravity in politics -- the focal point that determined "Which side are you on?" -- and everyone on DU actually was on the same side. Now that Barack Obama is President, he has become the center of gravity. I think it's clear that we still broadly agree on the issues, but we disagree on how best to get there, how long it should take, and how much compromise we are willing to accept. Those are the disagreements that matter now. To be blunt, we are not all on the same side anymore.
Imagine if during the Bush Administration, Democratic Underground had welcomed people who thought the president was doing a bad job, *and* people who thought the president was doing a good job. DU would have sucked. Sure, it might have been worth the effort to stop by every once in a while to argue with conservative idiots, but nobody would have felt like DU was their home, their safe-haven, their community.
This is the situation we face. Nobody is "safe" anymore. DU doesn't "belong" to anyone. We all want this to feel like a community, but we have two fairly large groups of people who each seem to believe that they are the rightful heirs to this community, and that the other side doesn't even have a legitimate claim to be here.
And here I am, grasping to the naive and outdated hope -- against all the available evidence -- that maybe we can all figure out a way to share DU.
I could "solve" our problems pretty easily by picking a side. If I did that, at least the people who would remain here would know that they own DU. They would know that they have a home and a safe haven again. And they would take comfort from knowing (finally) that the DU Admins are on their side, rather than cold, distant, unpredictable creatures whose allegiances are not entirely clear and who could turn on them at any moment.
But I am not prepared to give DU to either side. I see all the people who are still here (thank you for still being here, by the way, despite everything) -- some posting and some, sadly, only lurking -- and I see the people who built this community. Great people. Generous, big-hearted, smart, interesting people. Some of you might post strange and unpleasant things now -- including some things that cut very deeply -- but I remember what you were like before, and I remember how much I liked you then.
So we keep doing what we're doing. But I harbor this simmering doubt. I feel obligated to censor people, even though I have never liked doing it, and like it even less now than I ever have. I feel obligated to serve as an authority figure to a community of people (including myself) who are naturally skeptical of authority. I feel obligated to keep deleting posts and banning people, even though I know that each time I do it serves as "proof" that I have already picked a side, that I am already hopelessly biased, and that I cannot be trusted. I long to let you all take responsibility for yourselves, to give the community the ability to police itself and set its own limits, but in the past our efforts to do so have been rejected almost every time.
I think it might not be a bad thing that we're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Perhaps it will provide us with justification to experiment with some really radical changes to this place. The Admins have discussed a lot of ideas, but we honestly don't know what's going to work, or what you all will be willing to accept. I think, to start, we're probably going to post some kind of member survey next week to better understand your attitudes, and get feedback on a bunch of different ideas. I'll be curious to learn if you are willing to try any of them.
Thanks for listening. And thank you for being part of this community.
bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-20-10 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #5
576. The people in Will Rogers time didn't talk to each other with such hatefulness.
They didn't get death threats from expressing their view.
The atmosphere in this country and on DU has become hateful because we accept it as inevitable. Older generations are appalled.
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-20-10 12:58 PM
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541. definitely has gotten worse for me Updated at 3:19 PM
I want to write an essay on how things just seem to disintegrating around me as a result of my impoverished condition. I've lost my car registration due to an inability to pay fees, but I'm still obligated to drive the car if I don't want to be homeless and hungry. Forced to be a criminal because of my inability to keep up with MVA fees . . . I feel like shit most of the time these days. I don't think I've ever been this pessimistic.
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. You left out
rethugs; I'm convinced we've been infiltrated by trolls who have been smart enough not to get caught...yet.
City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #16
205. Absolutely
That's why I don't understand the shock and outrage when certain threads get unrecced right away, it could be agenda driven but it could easily be lurking Republican trolls too...why flip out about it?
steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
509. I agree with you
I've read many posts and wondered about their true allegiance. It seems like the motive is to tear down anything good about Obama and the party.
At some point, if you are that unhappy with Obama and the current status of the Dem party, you are really better off (unless you just want to fight) going to another message board.
I'm definitely not 100% satisfied with the party or with Obama, but I'm willing to give the man credit where credit is due. He's a LOT better than Bush and the R's.
cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
588. I've actually seen one just yesterday on a separate message board bragging about posting here...
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 01:19 PM by cascadiance
... and "infiltrating lightly" initially after just creating a new userid here. I know who this user is, but I'll let him expose himself later, as I'm sure he will at some point. Everyone deserves a fair shot if they post responsibly. But yeah, I think that also "colors" the dialogue at times too.
Uh Oh. Frank ain't gonna be happy! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8981504)
KC
KC....merged......Skins thread is already being discussed here.
doc
No sweat doc. You could've deleted it if you wanted. I didn't know it was in here.
Thanks,
KC
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #65
586. SEGREGATE the Progressives???? Are you kidding me?
Let me see if I have this right... Progressives are uncivilized, espouse third-party candidates, and need to be shuffled off to their own room, away from the civilized people? And, to top it all off, you want to eliminate Progressives from having their posts recced, like in the DU 9/11 dungeon?
I'm appalled.
Bally, I'm curious what that DUmmy thinks Skins Island of Misfit ****-ups is for, if not to segregate the "progressives" from the rest of productive society.
Well, that and to separate DUmbshits from their pot and Cheetos money.
Good find. :lmao:
Imagine if during the Bush Administration, Democratic Underground had welcomed people who thought the president was doing a bad job, *and* people who thought the president was doing a good job. DU would have sucked. Sure, it might have been worth the effort to stop by every once in a while to argue with conservative idiots, but nobody would have felt like DU was their home, their safe-haven, their community.
but nobody would have felt like DU was their home, their safe-haven, their community.
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug-20-10 09:29 AM
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We're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Let's talk. Updated at 9:29 AM
So, it's now Friday, and as I post this we haven't even reached 600 donations yet. Unless we experience some kind of miraculous and unprecedented turn-around, we aren't going to reach our goal of 1000 donations by Sunday night. But before you stop reading, the point of this post is not to beg you to dig deep and donate and put us over the top. On the contrary, the point of this post is to tell you this:
Message received.
You don't like what DU has become. Maybe you have very specific complaints, or maybe you don't really know exactly what it is that you don't like. But what you do know is that you wish it was more like the old DU. A community. A place that was special. Where we had big disagreements, but at least you felt like we all had something in common.
Yeah, I miss that DU, too.
I miss it so much that it makes my heart ache. I lie awake at night agonizing over it. I can barely bring myself to read my email anymore. I'm burned out and tired.
We (the DU Admins) knew that having a Democratic Administration would make things a lot more complicated and difficult here on DU, but I don't think we really had any clue how difficult it would be. I know that many of you believe the solution is simple. I know this because you send me scolding shame-on-you emails demanding that I do {whatever} and then DU would be better. I wish I shared your certainty.
We have been very cautious and deliberate in our attempts to improve the way we run DU, and I think -- especially on the moderator-side -- we have made a lot of very important progress. But the whole effort has the feeling of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Our approach has been to "do what we've always been doing, only better," but I am starting to think that much more radical change is necessary.
Here's the problem in a nutshell: Back when Bush was President, he represented the center of gravity in politics -- the focal point that determined "Which side are you on?" -- and everyone on DU actually was on the same side. Now that Barack Obama is President, he has become the center of gravity. I think it's clear that we still broadly agree on the issues, but we disagree on how best to get there, how long it should take, and how much compromise we are willing to accept. Those are the disagreements that matter now. To be blunt, we are not all on the same side anymore.
Imagine if during the Bush Administration, Democratic Underground had welcomed people who thought the president was doing a bad job, *and* people who thought the president was doing a good job. DU would have sucked. Sure, it might have been worth the effort to stop by every once in a while to argue with conservative idiots, but nobody would have felt like DU was their home, their safe-haven, their community.
This is the situation we face. Nobody is "safe" anymore. DU doesn't "belong" to anyone. We all want this to feel like a community, but we have two fairly large groups of people who each seem to believe that they are the rightful heirs to this community, and that the other side doesn't even have a legitimate claim to be here.
And here I am, grasping to the naive and outdated hope -- against all the available evidence -- that maybe we can all figure out a way to share DU.
I could "solve" our problems pretty easily by picking a side. If I did that, at least the people who would remain here would know that they own DU. They would know that they have a home and a safe haven again. And they would take comfort from knowing (finally) that the DU Admins are on their side, rather than cold, distant, unpredictable creatures whose allegiances are not entirely clear and who could turn on them at any moment.
But I am not prepared to give DU to either side. I see all the people who are still here (thank you for still being here, by the way, despite everything) -- some posting and some, sadly, only lurking -- and I see the people who built this community. Great people. Generous, big-hearted, smart, interesting people. Some of you might post strange and unpleasant things now -- including some things that cut very deeply -- but I remember what you were like before, and I remember how much I liked you then.
So we keep doing what we're doing. But I harbor this simmering doubt. I feel obligated to censor people, even though I have never liked doing it, and like it even less now than I ever have. I feel obligated to serve as an authority figure to a community of people (including myself) who are naturally skeptical of authority. I feel obligated to keep deleting posts and banning people, even though I know that each time I do it serves as "proof" that I have already picked a side, that I am already hopelessly biased, and that I cannot be trusted. I long to let you all take responsibility for yourselves, to give the community the ability to police itself and set its own limits, but in the past our efforts to do so have been rejected almost every time.
I think it might not be a bad thing that we're not going to reach our goal this fund drive. Perhaps it will provide us with justification to experiment with some really radical changes to this place. The Admins have discussed a lot of ideas, but we honestly don't know what's going to work, or what you all will be willing to accept. I think, to start, we're probably going to post some kind of member survey next week to better understand your attitudes, and get feedback on a bunch of different ideas. I'll be curious to learn if you are willing to try any of them.
Thanks for listening. And thank you for being part of this community.
How ****ing pathetic, Skinner is blaming Bush for DU's failure. This just proves that liberals are just a bunch of children.
Dont worry skins - after November's results, I'm sure you will have a common enemy once again that will make life better for DU.
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 04:37 PM
Response to Original message
965. I think there are a variety of views here at DU.....
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 04:49 PM by FrenchieCat
However, I believe that some folks' disagreements have become personal beyond what should be acceptable.
When my name is actively used via DU PMs to recruit posters to another site whose main pastime is to criticize DU posters and the DU administration (you Skinner) along with the Democratic President and his administration, then I have to start believing that those same folks don't have good intentions towards this community, and that cannot be good for you, for DU in general, and for the Democratic party at large. I have also concluded that same folks don't really care so much about issues as they claim....but rather are engaging in personal Vendettas of elementary porportion. Not only am I and others used as recruitment bait, but there are more threads started at other sites about some of us who post here personally than about any "issues".......
I came to DU looking for some hope and likeminds at a dark time, and I have steadily engaged in believing that politics as the art of the positively possible; not the art of personally destroying other posters....and yet I and some others have been called every name in the book; racists, cheerleaders, sycophants, fans, woodchucks, DLC, Homophobes, etc, etc, etc.....and for me, it is that negative outright contempt that I consider to be over the top, very destructive, meaningless and I believe that at this point, has little to do with politics as a whole, and more with game playing and identity politics....something which will get us progressives nowhere.
So I'm just going to work my state politics more, try to stay off of DU (they won!), and continue being hopeful and working towards getting accomplished those things that are possible in this hateful skeptical and negative political climate. That's why I got into politics, and so, I'm not about to get distracted by folks who believe that because I don't want to pile onto this administration it makes me an unfair biased and bad person. I don't believe that....and I never will.
And whomever gave the me the donor Star; thank you (I'm sure they'll be a thread over there even about this, or a poll or something....but Skinner knows who gave it to me....even though I never will). I'll try to make you proud of what it is that my real aim is.....and it ain't to get caught up in the foolishness that accomplishes nothing positive, and only generates negative energy that increases the likelyhood that folks will feel defeated even before they go to the polls. That's not energy I think will feed the children, or house the homeless, or even convince DLC Democrats or Republicans to vote for good progressive legislation....and that's what I'm in it for; progressive legislation that make the difference in many lives, even if it ain't always mine.
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #965
996. at least you have whole threads dedicated to you... i only get called names in passing....
can you teach me how to be a bigger villian to them?
:D
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #996
998. I'm not sure what it takes........
Whatever it is, it appears that "I've got it".....
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #998
1003. oh yes, you got it!
:hi:
BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #965
1007. Good post Frenchie. nt
Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #965
1037. Excellent post, Frenchie.
...and yet the same posters are in this very thread lamenting the "lack of respect" around here.
Blows my mind.
saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #965
1046. I am a proud member of other sites and do not know of any that have used
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 05:38 PM by saracat
Frenchie or anyone else as "bait". People join websites for many reasons but it is delusional to think entire websites are formed around one individual , or even several. There are many diverse POV on DU , but some are not tolerant of any but their own. That is one reason I do not participate as much on this board. And those that have repeatedly told me I am not welcome and my vote is not needed are the reason why.
I am disgusted by the vulgarity ,and outright ignorance teamed with arrogance I have seen expressed by some. If one can't express an opinion without reducing himselfto vulgarity and constant use of obsenity that it is likely that opinion has little merit. Many do not even know the rules of the Democratic party and throw their ignorance around like a badge. It really doesn't do to defend the Admin with ignorance.
I too am devoting my time to get my favorite local democrats elected, but then, I always have. Unlike some, this isn't "new" to me.
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #1046
1084. That's good that you moderate the other site.
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 06:03 PM by FrenchieCat
I've provided the DU moderators with what I think they need to make their own determination as to whose names are being used to recruit via PMs, and what that site is truly focused on....or one can simply compare via topics and post counts of "Issues" vs. the count of posts "ridiculing DUers" to know what's most important to that site. :rofl:
As for what vulgarity is, that's obviously relative. I don't count words so much as vulgar, as their intent. A word doesn't have to be a curse word to still connotate a vulgar attitude towards others.
As for activism being new or not new, I'll admit that I started 10 years ago, and really not much before. I don't find that as something worthy of snark or something that should be poo-pooed. And in a way, that's what I mean by vulgar being relative, as well as who actually holds this "Truth" many seem to believe they have the corner market on.
saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #1084
1231. The site moderators are not entitled to read PM's.That is a violation of privacy and the fact
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 08:01 PM by saracat
that you would encourage them to do such a thing says volumes about you. DU is a better place than that. Whatever problems DU may have, they have never intruded on privacy or broken their code. I am finding really hard to believe that anyone who is a Democrat would even suggest such a thing.That is despicable and worthy of Bush era tactics. I suppose you support FISA too?
And another thing. Sometimes vulgar is just vulgar, and it nearly always indicates a lack of imagination when used frequently.
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #1231
1292. Nobody is even talking about what you are implying......
if a few received these "invitations" and chose to relay them to me, there's no FISA in that. If same folks decide to share these "invitations" with the admin, that's their right to do so.
Whatever you are talking about, since it doesn't make sense to me, I'll refrain in responding in kind.
saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #1292
1296. Baloney.And I do find it hilarious that of all people you would be the one
talking about making sense!
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Aug-20-10 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #1084
1297. So you can, or know someone who can, read PMs?
Please do tell.
WillPitt claiming poverty (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8985452) as the reason he hasn't donated.
What a marvelous train wreck.
I win :tongue:
I'm waiting for Skinner to announce that DU has been sold to the highest bidder.
Look who showed up! Our favorite kickin' dog!
Yes the dipshit is here. Have to go to some of your economic threads to see if you guys are seeing what I see in the markets.
I'm waiting for Skinner to announce that DU has been sold to the highest bidder.
Make sure you post your POV about the markets, I'm interested in reading it.
I'm waiting for Skinner to announce that DU has been sold to the highest bidder.
Now wouldn't it be amusing if a Republican group bought it? LOL
Why do I get the feeling that the DUmmies would be just as crazy if Bill Clinton bought it? They're never happy.
Yes the dipshit is here. Have to go to some of your economic threads to see if you guys are seeing what I see in the markets.
Ya mean the fact that the DemonRats and your president have pulled the plug on an economy already headin' down the drain?
I doubt you see it that way, after all it's all Bush's fault, even though your pirates have had control since 2007, right?
Same shit, different day.
30 years of economic destruction. You forget, I was 15 as I watched Bethlehem Steel, a great treasure and pride of this nation, an institution that has material in every major building and war effort in our history. An institution that fed my community, gave us pride, and helped to strengthen this nation.
You are all just seeing something now, I saw many years ago.
Good grief! You're a union twerp too, aren't ya?
Wonder why it got cheaper to import steel rather than cook our own? Musta been them mean republicans, right?
Generally slave labor from communist countries is cheaper than steel from democracies.
BTW after getting the Berlin wall to fall by starving the communist enslavers out, you endorse free trade with China correct?
You were successful in defeating the Russian Bear with an economic strategy, but you are less stringent on the same strategy with a different set of unelected oligarchs. Just so we are clear.
Cheaper yes, of poor quality, also yes. The American steel industry priced themselves right outa the market! They produced a better product but it was so expensive, it was cheaper to add 2x the foreign steel into engineering than it was to buy from the American manufacts. i know, I been buildin' from the ground up since the 70's!
Actually, since the unions and the gubmint policies of the DemonRat controlled congress, who BTW has had the majority of control for the last 60 years, ****ed us, I think we pretty much have China by the balls.
Who else is gonna buy all their shit? Other than that, **** no! We should have never let them breath the air of world trade until they assassinated their communist masters!
I think maybe ya oughta ask your bud BJ about most of that, although Tricky Dicky opened the door, Jimmah made it far worse, but at least he wasn't supplying the technology to help them pole vault into the success that has transpired in the last 20 years. But hey, ya just gotta have those campaign bucks, right?
Never mind lettin' buy themselves into this hemisphere and purchase our debt! That's a whole other crime committed by every pres and congress since Reagan lookin' to bail their budgets out!
I also assume you hate the idea of the Mosque at Ground Zero, and have no problem that one of my best friends is a Christian Missionary in China that has to hide to worship and they have most favored nation trade status.
:popcorn:
And you actually think that's the same thing as building a trophy mosque on hallowed ground, right?(http://a.imageshack.us/img807/9094/emoticonf.gif)(http://a.imageshack.us/img192/8612/emoticonu.gif)(http://a.imageshack.us/img832/482/emoticonc.gif)(http://a.imageshack.us/img31/5930/emoticonk.gif) (http://a.imageshack.us/img535/9469/emoticony.gif)(http://a.imageshack.us/img267/5154/emoticono.gif)(http://a.imageshack.us/img192/8612/emoticonu.gif)
making cheap crap for dumb Americans
So, just a quick question we have the first amendment and we respect private property. A group of Muslims purchased this property to build a center to worship. Do you support private property or do you not. I'm a Christian, I also believe in free will.
Seeya DUmbass, you just crossed my line!
Go crawl back under your rock!
It's a ruse to make what little of the guilt that the DUmmy's have. It will work for the true moonbat. Personally I think the moles are getting close to outnumbering the primitives.
What you won't buy goods made by your fellow citizens. How patriotic. I buy something my neighbor makes, we keep the money in the neighborhood. Easier for me to sell him a ticket to the theatre I run the Box Office and accounting for.
A good portion of this country are "DUmmies" yet you take offense to that statement.
Weak.
What you won't buy goods made by your fellow citizens. How patriotic. I buy something my neighbor makes, we keep the money in the neighborhood. Easier for me to sell him a ticket to the theatre I run the Box Office and accounting for.
A good portion of this country are "DUmmies" yet you take offense to that statement.
Weak.
My friend has to hide to worship, yes I think that is the same thing.
So, just a quick question we have the first amendment and we respect private property. A group of Muslims purchased this property to build a center to worship. Do you support private property or do you not. I'm a Christian, I also believe in free will.
What do you consider a First Amendment issue?
No state, local, or federal authority has refused their request. It is private citizens and the community surrounding the proposed site that oppose it... is that not their right? They have the right of free speech and to argue against things they don't agree with. This is not just happening in New York and in the cases I'm familiar with (there is one here in my area), I'm not seeing the government restricting anyone's right to practice their religion. Only people speaking out against having a questionable Islamic organization setting up shop in their neighborhoods.
I only buy Nissan. Does that make me "un-American"... even though most Nissan's are built in America?
What do you consider a First Amendment issue?
No state, local, or federal authority has refused their request. It is private citizens and the community surrounding the proposed site that oppose it... is that not their right? They have the right of free speech and to argue against things they don't agree with. This is not just happening in New York and in the cases I'm familiar with (there is one here in my area), I'm not seeing the government restricting anyone's right to practice their religion. Only people speaking out against having a questionable Islamic organization setting up shop in their neighborhoods.
At the end of the day this will end up being a national security issue, I'm surprised you all don't see this.
Naw you're right, we're the blind ones!
Couldn't be the same as the oil industry and nuclear power, naw, couldn't be! We been tryin' to tell jerks like you, the unions, and your politicians the same damn thing for 40 years!
Now you want to ask us the question? Gimme a frikkin' break!
30 years ago, I was a Northeastern Republican. Today, I'm a pinko commie. Fascist never rest.
1930s lesson for you, what happens when an economy that has lots of production capacity on consumer goods transfers to Military production.
Here is a national security risk for you, how fast can you turnover a factory making cheap crap for dumb Americans to making weapons.
A lesson the Empire of Japan and Nazi Germany learned. We shot ourselves in the ass, and I'm not being partisan about it.
Assembled, but we can argue on definition. The Auto Industry while a great commodity that serves needs is a small thing don't you think, overall. Compared to something like Bethlehem Steel.
At the end of the day this will end up being a national security issue, I'm surprised you all don't see this.
I'm burned out and tired.
Now wouldn't it be amusing if a Republican group bought it? LOL
WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-20-10 06:17 PM
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Yo Skinner: extend the fund drive.
I can't donate because I'm moving in 11 days, and had to empty the piggy bank to pay first month/last month/security deposit for my new apartment. That and money is generally tight these days is forcing me to keep my checkbook in my pocket.
It's the 20th, and lots of folks (myself included) are not going to see another paycheck until the 1st of September.
Your tax dollars soon to be at work. :lmao:
Errrr .... did Wee Willie's new wife throw his sorry ass out?!
KC
Skinner should just announce that if you don't donate we'll know you're a mole.
:lmao:
KC
WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-20-10 06:17 PM
Original message
Yo Skinner: extend the fund drive.
I can't donate because I'm moving in 11 days, and had to empty the piggy bank to pay first month/last month/security deposit for my new apartment. That and money is generally tight these days is forcing me to keep my checkbook in my pocket.
It's the 20th, and lots of folks (myself included) are not going to see another paycheck until the 1st of September.
Looks like they got their 1000 donations. Wonder what the mole/DUer split is on that? :naughty:
However, reading between the lines of Skins' last rally-call, one suspects "average donations" are down. Maybe it used to be circa $25, and is now circa $15. All appearances seem to be that this fund drive was not nearly as fruitful as others had been. The tightwad primitives should be ashamed of themselves.
Has Skins always sought a number of donations, instead of a total quantity for the drive, or is that something new?
Every fund drive, for years and years and years, Skins has always aimed for a thousand donors.
I'm sure he has a figure in mind as a "goal," like say $25,000 or something, but he keeps it to himself (as well he is entitled to). I don't think he made it this time around.
FrenchieCat
I think there are a variety of views here at DU.....
However, I believe that some folks' disagreements have become personal beyond what should be acceptable.
When my name is actively used via DU PMs to recruit posters to another site whose main pastime is to criticize DU posters and the DU administration (you Skinner) along with the Democratic President and his administration, then I have to start believing that those same folks don't have good intentions towards this community, and that cannot be good for you, for DU in general, and for the Democratic party at large.