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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2011, 07:38:14 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on February 17, 2011, 07:38:03 AM
Hell no.

Well, we'll just disagree, because I would.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2011, 01:58:47 PM »
Quote from: rightlyamused on February 18, 2011, 07:38:14 PM
Well, we'll just disagree, because I would.

Same here cause I think Palin would make a great President.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2011, 03:43:43 PM »
You guys should dig up Reagan and stuff him. A dead corpse has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the idiots you put in the top 12.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2011, 04:03:12 PM »
Quote from: Yukon on February 20, 2011, 03:43:43 PM
You guys should dig up Reagan and stuff him. A dead corpse has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the idiots you put in the top 12.

Oh, I get it, you're trying to be witty.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2011, 10:39:11 PM »
Quote from: TexasCop on February 20, 2011, 04:03:12 PM

Oh, I get it, you're trying to be witty.

This Canadian turd will not last long. Yukon makes a habit of getting banned.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2011, 02:34:41 AM »
Quote from: Yukon on February 20, 2011, 03:43:43 PM
You guys should dig up Reagan and stuff him. A dead corpse has a better chance of defeating Obama than any of the idiots you put in the top 12.

Why are you so interested in American politics? Not much to do up there in the Yukon?

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2011, 03:19:58 AM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 07, 2011, 08:12:29 PM
Palin might not run. However, if she does, she will look horrible on tv. She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state. She also is inexperienced, and we see how well thats been for us over the past 2 years. Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people. Furthermore, as a "yankee" who saw first hand the results of the 9/11 attack and the necessity to have strong leadership in crisis, I can tell you she is no George W. Bush and she is untested.

Well guess what numbnutz, it was guys like you and the moonbat left that made her a celebrity! Last I checked we still run this country on capitalism! If ya didn't want her to take advantage of what this country has to offer, maybe ya shouldn't have put the left wing bulls eye on her and a microscope!

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2011, 07:18:00 PM »
I don't know where Christie stands on Second Amendment rights. He's a former US Attorney & he's from the Northeast.

I like his style versus the state employees' unions though.

But the Supreme Court is only one vote away from overturning Keller.
Even if that wouldn't happen, it's only one vote away from upholding
laws and regulations that effectively overturn it.

Second Amendment & China are the issues I'm most interested in.

This case bothers me a lot. I think Christie should have pardoned this man.
He did nothing wrong. In fact, he did everything right and he still went to jail.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/dec/21/gov-christie-commutes-sentence-legal-gun-owner/

Christie commuted his sentence. But that man still has a Federal felony conviction on his record.
Christie did the right thing. But Aitken deserved a pardon.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2011, 07:52:36 PM »
I have always been a fan of Governor Mike Huckabee, he is really interesting to listen to and I think he the best bet to run against Obama.  His name out, he has zero baggage, and he is an all around likable person.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2011, 08:32:39 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on February 19, 2011, 01:58:47 PM
Same here cause I think Palin would make a great President.

So do I, but I won't vote for Newt.  If Palin won't run, Herman Cain is on my list followed by Allen West.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2011, 10:38:37 PM »

Romney in 1994

Another reminder for "theconservative".

Oh wait, thats right. He left. My bad.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2011, 09:46:21 PM »
I am not committed to any 2012 hopeful yet, but I do have my leanings. Romney knows economics and budgets, but his healthcare plan and the inconsistencies hurt his appeal. Gingrich has his record for the first two years of being speaker, but the final two years and his personal life serve as liabilities. Huckabee is a good guy who believes in the fair tax, but his record in Arkansas is a mixed bag. Palin's record as governor is also a mixed bag and her personal life is messy. Barbour brings nothing unique to the table. Pawlenty has an impressive record and seems like a good guy, but his statement that "the era of small government is over" will come back to haunt him at some point. Rudy Giulliani can run as a fiscal and national security conservative, but he is socially liberal and has issues on illegal immigration. George Pataki has about everything going for him and has an impressive record, but he is pro-choice. Santorum is nothing special. Daniels is a fiscal hawk, but has issues with the social conservative base. Bachmann has potential and the backing of tea parties, but she is also very controversial. Romer has his appeal, but we need to know more about his policy proposals and not just what money he won't take. Cain is a solid conservative, but his support for the gold standard may raise some eyebrows. Riley brings little to the table. We shall see.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2011, 01:12:03 AM »
I don't think we have a real "runner" yet. Too much baggage on most the favs. I'm hopin' Allen West comes to the front. Cain is too much the unknown to have a chance, though I like his policies, he's never seen the gubmint mentality up close.

Whoever it is I hope they have the balls of Bachman and Palin, with the business experience and valor of a West or Caine.

I know, wishful thinkin'!
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2011, 03:37:01 AM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on March 11, 2011, 01:12:03 AM
I don't think we have a real "runner" yet. Too much baggage on most the favs. I'm hopin' Allen West comes to the front. Cain is too much the unknown to have a chance, though I like his policies, he's never seen the gubmint mentality up close.

Whoever it is I hope they have the balls of Bachman and Palin, with the business experience and valor of a West or Caine.

I know, wishful thinkin'!

I wouldn't mind a West/Cain ticket.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2011, 12:15:28 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 11, 2011, 03:37:01 AM
I wouldn't mind a West/Cain ticket.

Isn't that racist? Hehehehe!
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2011, 02:00:04 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on March 11, 2011, 12:15:28 PM
Isn't that racist? Hehehehe!

I find that black "true" conservatives tend to be more beholden to their conservative beliefs than many white conservatives, many who tend to become RINOs. IMO, it probably has to do with, well, they're black conservatives. They've taken abuse for years from other black Americans and are in the minority in their own race presently. There is nothing really anyone else can throw at them that'll make them waiver on their convictions. It's easier to just go with the flow and become a Democrat, but something in them makes them trudge forward and stick to their guns.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2011, 08:56:35 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 11, 2011, 02:00:04 PM
I find that black "true" conservatives tend to be more beholden to their conservative beliefs than many white conservatives, many who tend to become RINOs. IMO, it probably has to do with, well, they're black conservatives. They've taken abuse for years from other black Americans and are in the minority in their own race presently. There is nothing really anyone else can throw at them that'll make them waiver on their convictions. It's easier to just go with the flow and become a Democrat, but something in them makes them trudge forward and stick to their guns.

Yes, Herman Cain and J.C. Watts are both examples of what you say. Then again, Alan Keyes. It goes to show that there are some good black conservatives and some bad ones, just like there are some good white conservatives and some bad white conservatives.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2011, 08:54:27 PM »
Romney:

Pro's = (a) Looks like a President (b) Makes GOP competitive in Northeast (Nah...forget that). (c ) Has some management/job creation experience. (d) GOP often nominates previous campaign's runner-up. That's him. (e) Big name recognition. (f) Strong in New Hampshire. (g) Best hair of all the candidates - including Bachmann & Palin. (h) He's a strong General Election candidate & might even swing Michigan (not Mass) to the GOP.

Con's = (a) Father of Obamacare (b ) RINO? (c ) Comes across as stiff on TV.

Huckabee:

Pro's = (a) Great on the stump. (b) Extremely likable. (c ) Huge name recognition. (d) Either he or Palin have a lock on the Evangelical vote. (e) He'd be very strong in Southern primaries. (f) He'd probably win Iowa too.

Con's = (a) He's a Minister. A lot of folks have a problem with that. (b) He's seen as responsible for releasing a cop-killer from jail. (c) He wasn't a very conservative governor.

Palin:  

Pro's = (a) She's actually a conservative. (b) Gave a speech for the ages at the Reagan Museum. (c) Is competitive with Huck for the Evangelicals. (d) Loaded with charisma & anti-charisma.

Con's = (a) Liberals - especially gays -- have a pathological obsession with her. They go psychotic at the mention of her name. (b) She has to overcome the MSM's cartoonish portrayal of her or else the voting public will have to ignore it.

Trump:

Pro's = (a) Huge name recognition (like Palin). (b) Can fund his own campaign. Americans will appreciate that. (c) Has a platform different from any other candidate. It will appeal to a lot of pissed-off Americans. (d) Has actually created jobs, dealt with unions & made a lot of money. (e) I think he's the GOP's strongest candidate in a General Election. (f) Like Palin, he's loaded with charisma & anti-charisma. (g) His best chance of being nominated might be to to pay off Palin/Huckabee/Gingrich & then beat Romney for the nomination.
 
Con's = (a) It would take a miracle or a revolution in the GOP for him to win the nomination with Palin or Huckabee in the race. (b) The Primary Election voting rules in the states often don't allow cross-over voting. And Trump will need a lot of cross-over votes to win. (c) He has no organization. He probably cannot win a single Southern Primary. (d) May not be able to exist in a political culture. He's used to giving orders and making things happen.  (e) Does he really want to file a financial disclosure statement with the FEC & have Obama's lawyers poring over it? (f) Incredibly bad hair.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2011, 09:02:32 PM »
Honestly, the only pro I see about Huckabee is that he supports the FairTax.  Then again, so does Herman Cain.  If Herman's still in the running when the NC primary comes around, he's got my vote.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2011, 09:35:00 PM »
Quote from: docstew on March 19, 2011, 09:02:32 PM
Honestly, the only pro I see about Huckabee is that he supports the FairTax.  Then again, so does Herman Cain.  If Herman's still in the running when the NC primary comes around, he's got my vote.

If I had to bet...I'd bet Huckabee doesn't run. I could be wrong. I see (a) the cop-killer thing as fatal to his chances. Can you imagine Obama running that ad against him? (b) I think Trump is going to try to buy off some candidates, like Huck & Gingrich. And I think both would sell for the right price. I don't think Palin would sell out.

If Huck doesn't run & if the miracle Trump would need doesn't happen - that leaves Palin/Romney.
And given the GOP's tradition of nominating also-ran's, I'd bet Romney is the nominee. And he'd take
a Southerner like Barbour or perhaps even Rubio as Veep.

(Rick Perry anybody?) :???:

I have a hard time seeing how any other candidate gets the nomination. I think it comes down to Huckabee, Palin, Romney & Trump. And The Donald would need a miracle. Or else he'd need at least to buy off an endorsement from one or more of the above.

Huck might be willing to sell. Gingrich probably would.  

If neither Trump nor Palin run? Maybe one of the other candidates or an unannounced candidate like Perry
would have an opening to beat Romney. But with Huck, Romney, Trump & Palin in the race - there's no oxygen for other candidates to breathe.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2011, 06:07:45 PM »
Don't write Herman Cain off just because he isn't an establishment guy.  In fact, that's one of his strengths.  He has all the conservative principles of Sarah Palin with the added bonuses of supporting the FairTax and being African-American (takes race out of the equation).  His only drawback, IMO is that he is relatively unknown.  Google him or look for his speeches on youtube, you might like what he has to say.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2011, 09:44:32 PM »
I ain't Nostradamus, but I think Huckabee-Palin-Trump would take all the oxygen out of the race.

If Huck doesn't run -- can you imagine a Palin/Trump contest? How could other candidates
even be heard in the media frenzy?

If Trump runs, he would need a miracle to get the GOP nomination.
His strength would be with cross-over voters. And most states don't allow non-Republicans
to vote in GOP primaries. I's possible Trump would lose quickly - by Super Tuesday.

Then what? He tries to revive the Perot coalition & run third-party?
There's already a foundation  for an organization there. And I think he could be the first
third-party candidate to win it all since Abraham Lincoln.

But  I know this much -- if Trump & Palin are in the race -- with or without Huckabee --
the GOP Primaries are going to be fun to watch.

Right now - I'd still predict Romney. He's got organization, money & he looks Presidential.
And the GOP traditionally nominates the also-ran from a previous election. State primary rules
will favor Romney & will be hard on Trump.

I'll never under-estimate Palin again though. She's impressed me ever since her great speech at the Reagan Library.
Her speech in India was excellent. She's growing. And she's got something Romney & Huck will never have -- charisma.

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I predict:

Trump runs.

Huck does not run.

Palin runs.

Romney wins GOP nomination.

If Trump runs & doesn't win GOP nomination -- he goes third-party unless the GOP nominee
adopts his protectionist, hawkish agenda.

If Trump goes third-party, he will win more states than any candidate since George Wallace in 1968.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2011, 08:33:41 AM »
I dont remember any recent elections where the average republican voter got a choice as to who the GOP nominee was going to be.

It appears that the 'good ol boy' network (Rockefeller repukes) and the main stream media have more to say about it than any of us do.

We can flap our gums about this all day long ... but until and/or unless that changes ... we can only count on another RINO .. or worse.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2011, 09:53:57 AM »
Quote from: Janice on March 21, 2011, 08:33:41 AM
I dont remember any recent elections where the average republican voter got a choice as to who the GOP nominee was going to be.

It appears that the 'good ol boy' network (Rockefeller repukes) and the main stream media have more to say about it than any of us do.

We can flap our gums about this all day long ... but until and/or unless that changes ... we can only count on another RINO .. or worse.
Agreed. Obama or a RINO equals 6 more years of high debt, high unemployment and inflation. The tea party will take over Congress and the WH if enough people come to the conclusion that neither party is worth a crap. 
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2011, 12:37:14 AM »
I think Romney is going to roll (unfortunately). He's got his organization.
He's loaded with money. He's going to be strong in New Hampshire.
I think he'll be strong in South Carolina too.

In SC, they tend to vote for previous runners-up.
So Huckabee wins Iowa (if he runs). Romney takes NH & SC.
If Huck doesn't run (I don't think he will), Palin wins Iowa - maybe.
Maybe Pawlenty. He's a neighbor.

I would not rule out Romney winning a lot of primaries early
and putting it out of reach. That is probably his strategy.

I'm a Trump supporter. But I can't see any way he gets the nomination,
except by buying every other candidate out or else by some deus ex machina event.
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