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Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« on: January 06, 2011, 06:58:59 PM »
I hope to see all your answers, as I consider it a learning experience for me. Here is my list;

Mitt Romney
Pros: Fiscally conservative, seems to be knowledgeable on foreign policy, able to raise money, electable, articulate, very smart, businessman
Cons: his healthcare plan, flip-flopped on abortion, guns, and ethanol

Tim Pawlenty
Pros: accomplished governor, his tone is hard to get mad at, has Midwestern appeal
Cons: He did support a regional cap and trade program, he supports ethanol subsidies

Sarah Palin
Pros: Able to rock social conservatives, able to raise money
Cons: Inexperienced, not electable according to polls

Newt Gingrich:
Pros: Ideas guy, smart, very conservative
Cons: Personal life, baggage, shut down the govt. back in '95

Mitch Daniels:
Pros: Proper temperament, deficit hawk, soft-spoken
Cons: not appealing to social conservatives, not well-known, did support a tax hike

John Thune:
Pros: Appealing to NRA voters, articulate
Cons: Washington insider

Rick Santorum:
Pros: Socially Conservative
Cons: Supported Donald Rumsfeld, unelectable

Ron Paul:
Pros: None
Cons: Against the Bush-era foreign policy, wants to go back to the gold standard, crazy, not smart, and unelectable

Gary Johnson: Same as Dr. Paul

Mike Pence:
Pros: Conservative, articulate
Cons: Washington insider

Michele Bachmann:
Pros: Fiscally and socially conservative, has midwestern charm
Cons: Has made a few gaffes

John Bolton:
Pros: Wants to reform the U.N., understands foreign affairs
Cons: Has less economic experience than some others, is he electable?




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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 07:05:09 PM »
shhh. Don't tell anybody.


Keep an eye on Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) I like lots of what he has to say.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2011, 03:41:33 PM »
Mitt Romney...not electable....talks out of both sides of his mouth...Southerner's will not vote for a Yankee liberal.

Hey newbie; are your and Gurn asshole buddies? You keep posting the same crap about Romney. 
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2011, 05:00:39 PM »
Mitt Romney...not electable....talks out of both sides of his mouth...Southerner's will not vote for a Yankee liberal.

Hey newbie; are your and Gurn asshole buddies? You keep posting the same crap about Romney. 

I am a newbie, I do not know anyone on here. I helped elect Chris Christie as Governor of New Jersey, and I am proud of being from the north. I am also proud of my conservative political views.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2011, 05:36:32 PM »
I am a newbie, I do not know anyone on here. I helped elect Chris Christie as Governor of New Jersey, and I am proud of being from the north. I am also proud of my conservative political views.

Nothing wrong with being from the north except it has some of the most f. up elitist liberal politicans in the country. I like Gov Christie. Romney is no Christie.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 06:00:20 PM »
Nothing wrong with being from the north except it has some of the most f. up elitist liberal politicans in the country. I like Gov Christie. Romney is no Christie.

Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd, Jon Corzine, Bob Mendendez, and Andrew Cuomo are all northern politicians who are left wing elitists, yes. But, Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Crist, Tim Kaine, and Kay Hagan are not from the north, and they to are elitist left-wingers.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 06:17:01 PM »
After watching the GOP for a couple of decades, I think (unfortunately) Romney will probably end up being the nominee.  The establishment liberals in the party seem to believe in the 'it's his turn now' philosophy.  They are predictable, staid, and boring like that.  The tea party is a wildcard, though... hopefully they will have enough momentum in 2012 to push someone who is worth voting for to the front and isn't just the next guy in line.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 06:21:26 PM »
After watching the GOP for a couple of decades, I think (unfortunately) Romney will probably end up being the nominee.  The establishment liberals in the party seem to believe in the 'it's his turn now' philosophy.  They are predictable, staid, and boring like that.  The tea party is a wildcard, though... hopefully they will have enough momentum in 2012 to push someone who is worth voting for to the front and isn't just the next guy in line.

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Tim Pawlenty might be the GOP nominee, we shall see. As I see it, Pawlenty is probably going to win the Iowa caucuses. Romney should win New Hampshire, Florida, and Nevada. Gingrich should win South Carolina. Michigan leans Romney's way, but he will be challenged by Pawlenty there. It is going to be an interesting race, and if I am right, Pawlenty needs to focus on Iowa and Michigan if he wants to go to super tuesday.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 06:28:22 PM »
Tim Pawlenty might be the GOP nominee, we shall see. As I see it, Pawlenty is probably going to win the Iowa caucuses. Romney should win New Hampshire, Florida, and Nevada. Gingrich should win South Carolina. Michigan leans Romney's way, but he will be challenged by Pawlenty there. It is going to be an interesting race, and if I am right, Pawlenty needs to focus on Iowa and Michigan if he wants to go to super tuesday.

Palin is going to be the nominee. Your boy should just stay home. Watch Palin destroy him in the debates. That is where the rubber is going to meet the road.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »
Palin is going to be the nominee. Your boy should just stay home. Watch Palin destroy him in the debates. That is where the rubber is going to meet the road.

Palin might not run. However, if she does, she will look horrible on tv. She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state. She also is inexperienced, and we see how well thats been for us over the past 2 years. Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people. Furthermore, as a "yankee" who saw first hand the results of the 9/11 attack and the necessity to have strong leadership in crisis, I can tell you she is no George W. Bush and she is untested.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 08:33:01 PM »
Palin might not run. However, if she does, she will look horrible on tv. She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state. She also is inexperienced, and we see how well thats been for us over the past 2 years. Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people. Furthermore, as a "yankee" who saw first hand the results of the 9/11 attack and the necessity to have strong leadership in crisis, I can tell you she is no George W. Bush and she is untested.

If Palin runs, she will beat Romney like a red headed stepchild in the debates cause Romney is a lying liberal whose record on abortion and health care will destroy him.   

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 08:37:02 PM »
...She is a hypocrite, she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show after quitting her job after 2.5 years of increasing spending by 30% in a very conservative state...

    1.  I trust you have sources to back up the "facts you've just pulled out of your colon, regarding Alaska state spending under her tenure, troll? (I ask, only because my memory/experience leads me believe that the exact opposite was true - eg. putting the state jet up for sale as an unnecesssary extravagance.)
    2.  How the hell does bringing home what others are willing to pay her make her a "hypocrite" - your word, troll - when she talks about "elitism"?

...Palin is the GOP Obama except she can't give a good speech and she only fools some people...

    Cite for me - links would be nice, if you would - the speech where Sarah stumbled and stammered around as if she were completely unfamiliar with the material she was speaking on, like we've seen Lord Zero do so many times?  (FYI: just as one example that comes to mind, you remember that well orchestrated and smooth VP acceptance speech she gave at the GOP convention in '08?  Her telly-prompter quit on her 5-10 minutes into that speech, and nobody noticed until the campaign mentioned it the next morning.)
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2011, 08:40:09 PM »
she yells about elitism but then brings home big checks from Fox News, a biography, and a reality TV show.

How much did she make from each of them?
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2011, 08:47:28 PM »
How much did she make from each of them?
In 2009 alone, she made $12 million. That was before a lot of this, so she obviously is making more now.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2011, 08:52:15 PM »
In 2009 alone, she made $12 million. That was before a lot of this, so she obviously is making more now.

That is not what i asked you.  I asked how much did she make from each of them and do not assume I will take your word for it so be ready to post sources.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2011, 08:57:16 PM »
That is not what i asked you.  I asked how much did she make from each of them and do not assume I will take your word for it so be ready to post sources.

I'm still curious how he equates that income with hypocrisy when it comes to "elitism".  I didn't know there was a dollar figure attached to the term elitist, where if you earn below that you aren't an elitist, but if you cross that magic line, you are an elitist.  Is that the significance of the $250,000 figure Lord Barry uses all the time?
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM »
shhh. Don't tell anybody.


Keep an eye on Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) I like lots of what he has to say.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2011, 08:59:23 PM »
I'm still curious how he equates that income with hypocrisy when it comes to "elitism".  I didn't know there was a dollar figure attached to the term elitist, where if you earn below that you aren't an elitist, but if you cross that magic line, you are an elitist. 

I was getting to that, thanks for jumping the gun!  :tongue:
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2011, 08:59:29 PM »
Mitt Romney...not electable....talks out of both sides of his mouth...Southerner's will not vote for a Yankee liberal.

Hey newbie; are your and Gurn asshole buddies? You keep posting the same crap about Romney. 

I think Romney is electable.  

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2011, 09:00:43 PM »
Palin is going to be the nominee. Your boy should just stay home. Watch Palin destroy him in the debates. That is where the rubber is going to meet the road.

You have never seen Romney debate then.

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2011, 09:33:42 PM »
I was getting to that, thanks for jumping the gun!  :tongue:

That's okay: the troll just PM'ed me a list of "sources" on his Palin assertions.  The most reputable was a USA Today hit piece from September '08 (as in, when the Propaganda ministry was still busting ass to discredit Palin before the election) confirming that state spending went up under her administration, but having to admit at the same time - and much further down in the article - that the spending increases were initiated by the Dhimmi'Rat legislature she had to work with, and she still managed to impose some spending restrictions on them in return for her signature on the bills. 

I notice that Mr. Troll didn't have the cojones to post his "sources" publicly.
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2011, 10:05:44 PM »
That's okay: the troll just PM'ed me a list of "sources" on his Palin assertions.  The most reputable was a USA Today hit piece from September '08 (as in, when the Propaganda ministry was still busting ass to discredit Palin before the election) confirming that state spending went up under her administration, but having to admit at the same time - and much further down in the article - that the spending increases were initiated by the Dhimmi'Rat legislature she had to work with, and she still managed to impose some spending restrictions on them in return for her signature on the bills. 

I notice that Mr. Troll didn't have the cojones to post his "sources" publicly.

Cool, thanks for this. 
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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2011, 10:22:23 PM »
You have never seen Romney debate then.

I have seen him and he talks out of both sides of his liberal mouth.

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2011, 10:36:17 PM »
I have seen him and he talks out of both sides of his liberal mouth.

He is not a liberal.    :yawn:

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Re: Pros and Cons of '12 hopefuls
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2011, 11:04:04 PM »
He is not a liberal.    :yawn:

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