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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2013, 07:26:53 AM »
I talked a little but about this with my kids using bag boys (Utility Clerks) as an example.

There are very few grocery stores where you will find bag boys anymore, and that's a shame because it's a decent job for a young man just entering the work force.  I looked up when that changed and discovered that a minimum wage hike had eleminated the positions.  A grocery store is a fairly marginal operation as far as profits go, averaging about $0.03 profit per item sold.  When the wage hike hit and minimum wage went to over $6 and hour, they couldn't afford cashiers and bag boys, and they had to have cashiers.  They started sending out cashiers and produce department guys to pull in buggies.

Then they raised it again and stores started putting in computerized registers so that one cashier can, theoretically, man four registers.

B-b-b-but there is no evidence of minimum wage killing jobs. [/DUmmie Mode]
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2013, 08:38:23 AM »
Seriously?  You think you can increase the cost of all the labor inputs on a product or service, all the way from obtaining raw materials to final delivery, by 20%, and aside from any talk at all of expansion, the employers involved won't have any problems at all keeping everyone employed who is currently on the payroll?

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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2013, 10:00:54 AM »
When Nanzi Pelosi took over in 07 she passed a minimum wage hike. Youth and black unemployment spiked in the summer of 07, as did all other unemployment.  It was tried, it showed the results, and the democrat party members refuses to believe the results or wants the results.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2013, 10:23:29 AM »
Seriously?  You think you can increase the cost of all the labor inputs on a product or service, all the way from obtaining raw materials to final delivery, by 20%, and aside from any talk at all of expansion, the employers involved won't have any problems at all keeping everyone employed who is currently on the payroll?

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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2013, 11:12:33 AM »
Seriously?  You think you can increase the cost of all the labor inputs on a product or service, all the way from obtaining raw materials to final delivery, by 20%, and aside from any talk at all of expansion, the employers involved won't have any problems at all keeping everyone employed who is currently on the payroll?

What color is the sky on your world?

A lot of small businesses today are only breaking even.  If the owner/s are able to eek out a living for themselves and pay their employees, they are to be congratulated.

I've worked in bookkeeping/accounting for small business for most of my life and I never saw any fat cats.  Almost always, any profits went into building the business not some off shore account.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2013, 11:32:41 AM »
Plumbing, construction, carpentry, automotive repair, electrical work all provide good paying jobs but tend to be looked down upon by the DC elites when it comes to talking about education. Many of those can be learned with OJT provided the person has some basic manual skills.

Yeah, they "look down" on those folks, until it's the middle of the night and your basement is filled with shit, your car won't start, or you can't figure out why your breakers keep tripping.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2013, 11:41:32 AM »
Bullshit.  No Democrat believes in manufacturing except as a means of pandering to the unions for votes.  Every law, regulation and tax they want to pass would do nothing but hurt manufacturing in the US.  They have done it for decades on end.

If manufacturing was that important, then Obama might mention vocational and trade schools instead of the myth that everyone is entitled to a college education.

Exactly! The O manufactures lies.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2013, 12:23:02 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2013, 12:39:54 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2013, 01:05:35 PM »
Well, if minimum wage goes up, so does cost of living.  Hell, my rent skyrocketed the last few times the wage rose, and I make way above it.  I now pay over $1000 a month but before the last minimum last passed, it was $545 a month. 
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2013, 07:54:33 PM »
So says the person with 143,000 posts. Dumb idea to raise minimum wage. I say abolish it.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2013, 08:11:42 PM »
So says the person with 143,000 posts. Dumb idea to raise minimum wage. I say abolish it.

Or set it at $2.13 an hour plus tips, and then make it the un-raisable pay rate for all species of federal bureaucrat, drone, and all of the various elected and un-elected holders.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2013, 10:53:19 AM »
Or set it at $2.13 an hour plus tips, and then make it the un-raisable pay rate for all species of federal bureaucrat, drone, and all of the various elected and un-elected holders.

Act in haste, repent at leisure.  Unfortunately you get what you pay for, so if you really want a VA or DOD or NIH or CDC or NRC or DOJ or - dare I say it, Post Office - that is run by kids on Summer break from high school or working part-time during the school year to put gas in their beater, that's probably the fastest way to get there.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2013, 11:00:31 AM »
Act in haste, repent at leisure.  Unfortunately you get what you pay for, so if you really want a VA or DOD or NIH or CDC or NRC or DOJ or - dare I say it, Post Office - that is run by kids on Summer break from high school or working part-time during the school year to put gas in their beater, that's probably the fastest way to get there.

I'm sure that with the education system in it's present state the answer to this would be a loud, hearty "HELL YES", but the obvious question is:

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Could putting the post office or the DOJ in the hands of 17 year old snot noses be any worse that what we currently have?
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2013, 11:17:33 AM »
I'm sure that with the education system in it's present state the answer to this would be a loud, hearty "HELL YES", but the obvious question is:


 :-)  Does kind of answer itself, doesn't it?

I've worked with Summer hires in a Federal office.  They weren't bad kids, but they were completely incapable of doing anything above the level of running the copy machine.  The minimum security prisoners that came through to do janitorial work had more professional manners and motivation.
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2013, 12:48:08 PM »
:-)  Does kind of answer itself, doesn't it?

I've worked with Summer hires in a Federal office.  They weren't bad kids, but they were completely incapable of doing anything above the level of running the copy machine.  The minimum security prisoners that came through to do janitorial work had more professional manners and motivation.

I worked in retail for awhile.  We had a program with an extension high school where kids came in a couple hours a day for graduation credits.  I was lucky to get one out of five that could be trusted to follow simple instructions.  It wasn't beneficial to the company for me to spend my time standing over them to insure that they did the work assignment properly.





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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2013, 01:16:20 AM »
You obviously didn't deserve the upcoming raise because you were an EVIL manager that was making too much money on the backs of the minimum wage workers. [/DUmmy mode]

The same place probably had to trim off part part-time positions as the year progressed.

 :-)

Of course that was in IL that decided the state minimum wage needed to be higher then the federal. I was already good at cutting labor costs and labor hours. I was greedy. I just went in early and scheduled less people to help me to.  O-)

Many were given a raise, and their hours cut at the same time.  :lmao:

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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2013, 08:26:59 AM »
:-)

Of course that was in IL that decided the state minimum wage needed to be higher then the federal. I was already good at cutting labor costs and labor hours. I was greedy. I just went in early and scheduled less people to help me to.  O-)

Many were given a raise, and their hours cut at the same time.  :lmao:

Sounds to me like you are an evil capitalist pig.

See they should have been guaranteed those jobs so that you couldn't cut labor hours.



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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2013, 02:56:14 AM »
Sounds to me like you are an evil capitalist pig.

See they should have been guaranteed those jobs so that you couldn't cut labor hours.



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Last I heard Illinois was trying to make the wage ten bucks an hour with no discount if you wages included tips. That would simply kill the restaurant business and other service industries and drive up prices to the consumer.

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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2013, 08:15:53 PM »
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Re: The minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2013, 08:30:02 PM »
I worked in retail for awhile.  We had a program with an extension high school where kids came in a couple hours a day for graduation credits.  I was lucky to get one out of five that could be trusted to follow simple instructions.  It wasn't beneficial to the company for me to spend my time standing over them to insure that they did the work assignment properly.

Yet these are the same little assclowns who think, nay, demand--that their skill set (nonexistent) is somehow worth at least $20/hour.  If they have a BA in Comparative Navel Gazing, make that a corner office and a six-figure salary, plus benefits.
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