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If True, What Did Joe Paterno Know?
Allegations against former assistant Jerry Sandusky raise questions about coach
By Jeff MacGregor
ESPN.com
Updated: November 7, 2011, 3:33 PM ET
The damage control began in earnest Sunday night. The lawyering. The spin. The sudden return to retirement; the midnight administrative leave. The Nixonian press release. Everyone "shocked." Everyone "deeply troubled."
If true, the staggering liability. If true, the panicked cover-up.
If true. "We were all fooled."
By the time you read this, Joe Paterno might have resigned. Or worse yet, not resigned. Former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been indicted on scores of counts of felony sexual abuse of minor boys. Penn State officials have been indicted and charged with perjury.
If true? Another American tragedy. If true? Another abject failure of moral obligation. And if true, the story for as long as it lasts -- 24 more hours or the next hundred years -- will be a question: "What did Joe know, and when did Joe know it?"
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In other words -- If True -- I didn't know anything. Once informed of something, I did the minimum: I kicked it up the chain, looked away and chose never to think of it again.
If Paterno knew something and did nothing, he's an accessory. If he didn't know, he should have known. Such are the burdens of omniscience as understood by the cult of the Division I football coach.
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The failure here is complete. Utter. The failure of the institution and the failure of the individual. The failure of the community. The failure of common decency.
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7202768/if-allegations-true-did-penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-know-when
My fellow cavers, I cannot put into words how utterly sick this mess at Penn State has made me. Joe-Pa has had a legendary career and (for the most part) has done his best to maintain a standard for his players and program while keeping the stain of scandal off of his school. This kicking of an incident up the chain of command with no follow up action is a total collapse of leadership. Good, bad, ugly, otherwise - it's his program and he's ultimately responsible. No child should have ever been assaulted and nothing done to make sure it never happened again.
Ever.
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Just finished reading the Grand Jury findings........One of the most disturbing instances of child sex abuse i have ever read...I really hope he didn't know anything because if he did they should bury him and Jerry Sanduskey under the jail!
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Joe Pa will quietly resign by the end of the season. Doubtful he'll even attend the bowl game they play in at the end of the year.
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Yeah, it's a mess, and the fact that there were witnesses who didn't even make an attempt to stop the act is a sad statement on morals in America today.
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For those who haven't read it..... :o :censored:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-11-07/penn-state-attorney-general-pdf/51112998/1
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Sick bastard. :censored: The problem is, when Sandusky goes to jail, Bubba will give him hot meat injections that Sandusky will love.
At that point, they'll break out the crowbar.
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Joe Pa will quietly resign by the end of the season. Doubtful he'll even attend the bowl game they play in at the end of the year.
It may be sooner than that.
Penn State said to be planning Paternos exit (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1).
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Check this link out too.
http://a.abcnews.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668
Boy howdy, if they connect this to them too...huge.
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"I didn't want to leave college football to the Jackie Sherrills and Barry Switzers of the world."~Joe Paterno
Yeah, that'd be a real shame, Joe...you snake.
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Check this link out too.
http://a.abcnews.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668
Boy howdy, if they connect this to them too...huge.
Check this out as well:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_centre_county_da_ray_g.html
This is starting to get really ugly for Pedo State University. I personally hope they take the whole pseudo-intellectual, queer loving lot of the university admin down as well as the useless DAs.
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Sad end to Joe Paterno's career. He has had a stellar career with few screwups...until this.
He's known for years, and turned his head the other way.
For someone who had few screw ups...the one he does make....is beyond the pale.
Those boys all needed someone to stand for them. When it was time for Joe to do the heavy lifting....he turned his back.
Go to hell, Joe Paterno.
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And the hits keep on rollin' in: Front-page editorial calls for PSU prez to resign (http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/08/2978526/front-page-editorial-calls-for.html).
You know you're in deep kimchi when there is an editorial on the front friggin' page of a local newspaper calling for your head as well as the coach.
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And the hits keep on rollin' in: Front-page editorial calls for PSU prez to resign (http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/08/2978526/front-page-editorial-calls-for.html).
You know you're in deep kimchi when there is an editorial on the front friggin' page of a local newspaper calling for your head as well as the coach.
Yep, and they cancelled the press conference today. I'm sure Paterno's attorney is already telling him to not speak about it until he is sworn in at the courthouse. All of these SOBs are looking at serious prison sentences.
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I'm sorry, but if I ever caught someone sexually abusing a 10-year old, not only would I report it, but I'd tell the police to send an ambulance, too, because I would beat the everloving dog shit out of the perp. He'd never get another erection the rest of his life.
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I'm sorry, but if I ever caught someone sexually abusing a 10-year old, not only would I report it, but I'd tell the police to send an ambulance, too, because I would beat the everloving dog shit out of the perp. He'd never get another erection the rest of his life.
Uh....not to be flip, but whatcha gonna do when the perp is a gal? :popcorn:
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I'm going to pin this due to the protracted nature and immense scope of this story.
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I'm going to pin this due to the protracted nature and immense scope of this story.
Thanks, Death (feels really odd thanking "Death" for anything). :-)
Here's a timeline from Fox Sports.: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-sex-abuse-case-timeline-of-key-dates-Jerry-Sandusky-110711
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Looks like "joepa" is "retiring" after this season! :whatever:http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-joe-patern-resignation/1
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The guy is 84 years old, fer Chrissakes. Go home and watch the game on TV, Joe. :whatever:
I recall reading elsewhere that back in 2004, Paterno essentially told the university president to pound sand, that he wasn't retiring.
Had he done so at that time, maybe he wouldn't be retiring in the manner in which he is now.
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Sad end to Joe Paterno's career. He has had a stellar career with few screwups...until this.
He's known for years, and turned his head the other way.
For someone who had few screw ups...the one he does make....is beyond the pale.
Those boys all needed someone to stand for them. When it was time for Joe to do the heavy lifting....he turned his back.
Go to hell, Joe Paterno.
My sentiments, verbatim. Hi-5.
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Looks like "joepa" is "retiring" after this season! :whatever:http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-joe-patern-resignation/1
The more this "scandal" unravels and the more is revealed, I don't think he'll make it to the end of the season.
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With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I would have done more.~Joe Paterno
http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paterno-quits-calls-sex-abuse-scandal-great/story?id=14913848
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Looks like Joe decided to pull the ol' "I'm sorry we finally got caught" chestnut out on us. The allegations kept coming for multiple instances and years, Joe. When were you finally going to take time out of your "busy" schedule to look deeper into the fact that your defensive coordinator was a habitual child molester and was activily facilitated by the athletic department up until LAST WEEK?
Yep, Joe Paterno...key innovator of the "pervert defense".
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paterno-quits-calls-sex-abuse-scandal-great/story?id=14913848
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Looks like Joe decided to pull the ol' "I'm sorry we finally got caught" chestnut out on us. The allegations kept coming for multiple instances and years, Joe. When were you finally going to take time out of your "busy" schedule to look deeper into the fact that your defensive coordinator was a habitual child molester and was activily facilitated by the athletic department up until LAST WEEK?
Yep, Joe Paterno...key innovator of the "pervert defense".
Considering the quote behind his statue at Pedo State, I, too, wonder what will be the historian's verdict on Joe Paterno.
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Edited for formatting.
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Penn State President Graham Spanier will quit or be fired today in wake of Sandusky charges, source says
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html
The president of the most queer tolerant university in America brought down by a queer. This thing is getting bigger by the day.
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If you have blood pressure issues, I strongly advise against clicking the following link:
Mothers of two of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims lash out at Penn State officials' handling of scandal
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
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According to salon.com, the most gay friendly college campus in America has a football program that is a bastion of conservatism:
Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno, registered Republicans
The Penn State football program, like many others at the college level, has long been a bastion of conservatism
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/09/jerry_sandusky_and_joe_paterno_registered_republicans/
Apparently the author of this article says that political affiliation doesn't count when applied to pedophiles, but.....
:whatever:
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According to salon.com, the most gay friendly college campus in America has a football program that is a bastion of conservatism:
Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno, registered Republicans
The Penn State football program, like many others at the college level, has long been a bastion of conservatism
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/09/jerry_sandusky_and_joe_paterno_registered_republicans/
Apparently the author of this article says that political affiliation doesn't count when applied to pedophiles, but.....
:whatever:
Yeah, it's a real shame you can't strangle idiots over the interwebs sometimes...
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Paterno was gone after this season regardless, so he's trying to escape with no penalty whatever.
Paterno knew what Sandusky was doing since 1998, when he was investigated by the police, and was forced to take early retirement at the end of the 1999 season. No one will ever know what he was up to in 1999.
Don't believe a word about any other reason he left. They wanted him out, but with no adverse publicity for the program.
Since Paterno knew Sandusky was a homo pedophile since 1998, the 2002 incident could not have been misunderstood and could not have been a surprise.
Paterno's sole motivation was to protect his football program, the kids be damned.
And the real villain in this, beside Sandusky, is Mike McQuery, the omnipresent redhead on the Penn State sidelines. He was 28 years old, not a kid, when he discovered the child being assaulted. He just quietly left, to allow Sandusky to finish, then went with his father to Paterno to negotiate a job on the coaching staff, which along with his silence he still holds.
Paterno shouldn't be fired, he should be jailed, along with McQuery and Sandusky. Paterno is the lowest form of scum on earth.
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Paterno fired!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse
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The prez as well.
Good riddance.
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Pedo State students rally to support the cover-up of the molestations and turn violent.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AgZ7lBhWPNsc3tvtGVBmtXwcvrYF?slug=ap-pennstateabuse-students
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Pedo State students rally to support the cover-up of the molestations and turn violent.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AgZ7lBhWPNsc3tvtGVBmtXwcvrYF?slug=ap-pennstateabuse-students
Maybe it's a thinly disguised "Occupy Pedo State" protest. :whatever:
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I don't understand how McQuery is going to be allowed to be the coach for the PS/Nebraska game this weekend. He has some culpability also. I will say in his only defense - because I think he should have at the very least anonomously called the cops - he was a grad assistant which is always a rather vulnerable position (no pun intended) as it's at the whim of whichever prof/department as to how long you get to stay. But to see anyone - even if it's your boss - raping a child and to walk away ...makes me want to beat the crap out of him!!!!! I know that Paterno was right up there next to God, as far as the PS fans and community were concerned...look at how the ADA dismissed the accusations 10+ years ago as a perfect example. But there had to be someone he could have told, other than his father!
What has happened to these children - and we may never know how many - is beyond my comprehension (I have not been able to read the reports, both from a time standpoint and I don't know that I can handle reading them). To say I feel incredible sympathy for them is an understatement.
However....I have to say, I feel so sorry for the PS football players - the seniors who are playing their last home game on Saturday, and the underclassmen, who have to be wondering what their is going to happen to their college football futures and possible professional football careers and whatever possible stigma will be attached to them personally for being in the Penn football program during this time. Also one has to wonder, the players that were there the last 10 years - were any of them aware?
I also feel incredibly sorry for the Nebraska football team that has to walk into this mess on Saturday and try to play a football game, that is a rather significant game for them. They have absolutely nothing to do with any of this tragedy, yet will be dragged into the current situation, just because they have to play a long time scheduled football game. I doubt that last night's rioting will be the last, and you have to wonder what the situation will be like in a football stadium with tens of thousands of people on Saturday.
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Jesus! this keeps getting worse if that's possible...http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.htmlEvil....just evil. :mad: :censored:
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I don't understand how McQuery is going to be allowed to be the coach for the PS/Nebraska game this weekend. He has some culpability also.
McQuery is one guy who has profited from this mess. He parlayed his witnessing of the crime into a full-time job on the Penn State football staff.
All he's had to do is keep his mouth shut.
He may be lucky that he didn't disappear like the DA who investigated Sandusky.
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Jesus! this keeps getting worse if that's possible...http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.htmlEvil....just evil. :mad: :censored:
Oh Good God. :argh:
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In talking with risk managers today, they told me that PSU can never be insured again. Sure the State of Penn is self insured and extends coverages to the entire State system, but just how do you reserve for a contingency like this. This will cost PSU literally millions upon millions in settlements. But there is also the thought that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Is PSU culpable since so many of their football athletes served as camp counselors for Sandusky during the summer? If senior administration
officials knew what had transpired after 2002 and allowed additional victims to be destroyed by Sandusky through the foundation, they are just as culpable as Sandusky.
Paterno and all of his coaching staff, the AD, the VP, the chief of Police for PSU, the DA's office and the President could be facing charges of their own in aiding and abetting a felony against a minor.
All it would have taken is one person to speak up and call the State Police rather than the locals, one phone call.... and Joe Paterno did nothing.
I wonder how Joe Paterno would feel if one of his 16 grandchildren had been violated by a Sandusky?
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I'm curious to see if Penn State can survive this and remain solvent. The state would probably take over if that happened, I guess.
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I'm curious to see if Penn State can survive this and remain solvent. The state would probably take over if that happened, I guess.
They've got plenty of well to do alums who would rally to the bailout in order to prevent that. A very proud school, that Penn State. After the shock and drama wears off they will rise above it in no time. This Paterno idiot has handed them quite a kick in the teeth but once the student body and alumni begin to realize that he will fade away without leaving a lasting tarnish on the school.
The prestige of Penn State stems from a whole lot more than just the gridiron and the entire Penn State brand is a hell of a lot bigger than Joe Paterno.
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In talking with risk managers today, they told me that PSU can never be insured again. Sure the State of Penn is self insured and extends coverages to the entire State system, but just how do you reserve for a contingency like this. This will cost PSU literally millions upon millions in settlements. But there is also the thought that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Is PSU culpable since so many of their football athletes served as camp counselors for Sandusky during the summer? If senior administration
officials knew what had transpired after 2002 and allowed additional victims to be destroyed by Sandusky through the foundation, they are just as culpable as Sandusky.
Paterno and all of his coaching staff, the AD, the VP, the chief of Police for PSU, the DA's office and the President could be facing charges of their own in aiding and abetting a felony against a minor.
All it would have taken is one person to speak up and call the State Police rather than the locals, one phone call.... and Joe Paterno did nothing.
I wonder how Joe Paterno would feel if one of his 16 grandchildren had been violated by a Sandusky?
Now bogus victims will start lining up, like New Yorkers piling into a wrecked city bus.
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Well, it looks as if the WR coach won't be there Saturday:
Penn State's McQueary won’t coach due to ‘multiple threats’
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/witness_protection_FMBHYOF14JWRvT9X23i6SK
And here I was thinking that maybe, just maybe, he would be absent due to his own shame. Stupid me...
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Well, it looks as if the WR coach won't be there Saturday:
Penn State's McQueary won’t coach due to ‘multiple threats’
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/witness_protection_FMBHYOF14JWRvT9X23i6SK
And here I was thinking that maybe, just maybe, he would be absent due to his own shame. Stupid me...
What means this word "shame" you speak of?
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Some new images that are floating about:
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According to PennLive.com, one of the PSU coaches gathered several players in a room on campus and allowed McQueary to speak to the team via speaker phone.
McQueary reportedly told the team, “I wanted to let you guys know I’m not your coach anymore. I’m done.â€
McQueary also told the team he’s not at the University, but in protective custody after receiving several threats … and “double fisting†booze.
TMZ / Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/11/report-mike-mcqueary-in-protective-custody-drinking-heavily-wont-coach-again/)
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Sandusky Faces 460 Years In Jail
Details about the eight alleged victims are included in the grand jury presentment, but the complaint lists 37 offenses resulting in 40 criminals counts.
The most serious criminal count is deviate sexual intercourse with a underage complainant, which is a first-degree felony. Under the state code for sex crimes, the maximum sentence of each count is 40 years .
Based on the maximum sentencing for each count, Sandusky faces 460 years in charges.
MyFoxPhilly (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/exclusive%3A-sandusky-faces-460-years-in-jail-111011)
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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – A large police presence was on hand Thursday night in downtown State College in hopes of preventing a repeat of the chaos that erupted here Wednesday evening.
Mounted police officers were on patrol, law enforcement vehicles from at least three jurisdictions circled the streets and a helicopter hovered over the area for at least an hour. Officers on foot patrol wore riot helmets and carried night sticks.
The streets were quiet Thursday night. The biggest gathering was of patrons braving the cold to stand in line to get into a popular downtown night club.
On Wednesday, students and other fans filled the streets after football coach Joe Paterno was fired after 46 years as head coach and 61 years with the Nittany Lions program in the wake of the child sex abuse scandal involving former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. Hundreds went to Paterno's home on nearby McKee Street to show their support.
Students did double-takes Thursday when they saw the horses and their officer mounts because they're typically only seen during the week-long summer arts festival and on New Year's Eve
One student on a cell phone was heard saying, “There are more cops here than I've ever seen in my entire life.â€
Nebraska fans headed to State College can expect to see similar law enforcement displays on Friday and Saturday in the downtown area as well as around nearby Beaver Stadium Saturday for the 11 a.m. game between the No. 19-ranked Huskers and No. 12 Penn State.
Husker fans will be the minority among the 106,000 or so expected to attend the game. Just 3,600 tickets were sold to Husker fans, the allotment given the Nebraska ticket office. The Nebraska Alumni Association did not offer a trip to the Penn State game because it was not a top choice for those who frequently travel to games, said the association's director, Diane Mendenhall.
Penn State professor R. Scott Kretchmar, who put together a seminar on sportsmanship on campus earlier this week, said he would be shocked and surprised if fans took their anger out on Husker fans.
“We should treat Nebraska fans with the dignity and respect that they're due,†he said.
Kretchmar, who recently completed his 10-year tenure as Penn State's faculty athletic representative, said he received a note Friday morning from Nebraska faculty athletic representative Jo Potuto.
“She sent me the kindest, nicest note to express her sadness with how much we're suffering," he said.
Kretchmar also added he doesn't see any "bad blood" between the Huskers and Penn State because there's not a long history of the two programs playing each other. Nebraska last played at Beaver Stadium in 2002, losing 40-7, before winning 18-10 in Lincoln in 2003.
"It's not like a rivalry yet and as far as I know there's no bad blood that would rouse emotions,†Kretchmar said. “We've had a few mishaps over the years, but I think we've done a good job with this recently. We should be on our best behavior this week.â€
About 2 p.m. EST: Saw Husker fans standing with the Joe Paterno statue near Beaver Stadium. They had placed a Husker flag in his hands.
I walked around in a red hoodie and nobody assaulted me or came after me. They did look at me funny, but that was it.
About 3:30 p.m. EST: At Joe Paterno's house right now and his wife just came to the door and gave people standing with us some cookies.
There were a few Nebraska fans mingling with Penn State fans and Paterno's neighbors. Spotted several staunch Paterno defenders.
About 5:30 p.m. EST: More from the Paternos' house earlier. . .
People have been bringing gifts to Joe Paterno's house all day. It's been a steady stream of people leaving cards, flowers, food – almost like a funeral.
Earlier Friday, Paterno's wife came out and re-gifted cookies to some people nearby. When she came to the door a second time, there were shouts of "We love you" to her from some of the folks in blue.
While neighbors weren't happy with the gawkers and media clogging their street, one polite woman could be heard giving directions to the Husker fans who stopped by.
7:30 p.m. EST: Heading downtown, then plan to stop by the candlelight vigil planned by students. The vigil will be held in front of the campus administration building to show support for the boys who were allegedly abused.
State College police Capt. John Gardner said he does not expect problems at Saturday's game. Authorities are monitoring Facebook and Twitter, and Penn State's residence life department is organizing group discussions for students to talk out their feelings about the week's events.
The university implemented increased security measures for all athletic events this weekend, including a ban on bags — purses included — at all arenas, and Gardner said there will be a "significant police presence" at Beaver Stadium.
Also, instead of the traditional "white out" for Saturday's game, fans were asked to wear blue — the color associated with child abuse awareness.
8:30 p.m. EST: It's pretty quiet on College Avenue. There are more cars and vans lining the street than there were earlier, but not seeing much Husker red.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20111111/NEWS01/111119766#pregame-live-from-penn-state
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http://huskerextra.com/sports/football/article_55717932-13e1-588f-a513-7dc3d4101afc.html
From the Lincoln Journal-Star this morning:
Cars.com pulls advertising from Penn State-NU telecast
A person familiar with the decision says Cars.com has pulled out as the "presenting sponsor" of two college football games on ESPN involving Penn State in the wake of the sex-abuse scandal engulfing the program.
The person spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because the move has not been announced.
The sponsorship was withdrawn for "Saturday Afternoon College Football" for the next two weeks, including Penn State's game against Nebraska at 11 a.m. Saturday.
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TMZ / Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/11/report-mike-mcqueary-in-protective-custody-drinking-heavily-wont-coach-again/)
My guess is that McQueary won't make it far past the first of the year before he kills himself.
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My guess is that McQueary won't make it far past the first of the year before he kills himself.
If you're betting, I won't take that bet.
The chain of information/"telephone" bit makes a lot of sense. And that puts Paterno right up there at the top of the shitheap. If, in fact, he heard the words "anal rape" from McQueary and watered the information down to "something of a sexual nature," Paterno deserves every negative action that comes out of this.
You can't ride the wave, being on top, for 40+ years without accepting the moral, personal, and professional responsibility that goes with it.
That's why he made the big bucks.
**** you, Joe. You're a scumbag.
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If you're betting, I won't take that bet.
The chain of information/"telephone" bit makes a lot of sense. And that puts Paterno right up there at the top of the shitheap. If, in fact, he heard the words "anal rape" from McQueary and watered the information down to "something of a sexual nature," Paterno deserves every negative action that comes out of this.
You can't ride the wave, being on top, for 40+ years without accepting the moral, personal, and professional responsibility that goes with it.
That's why he made the big bucks.
**** you, Joe. You're a scumbag.
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this statement after reading this....http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/11/sandusky-recuited-hs-players-this-season/ :o If this is true,Paterno needs to be in the prison cell right next to Sanduskey. WHY IN THE BLUE **** WAS THIS ASSHOLE DOING RECRUITING FOR YOU JOE???????? UN****INGBELIEVABLE!!!!
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The Daily Beast-Joe Paterno’s Troubling Attitude Toward Sex Charges (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/12/joe-paterno-s-troubling-attitude-toward-sex-charges.html)
Paterno continued to a group of reporters: “Geez. I hope—thank God they don’t knock on my door, because I’d refer them to a couple of other rooms.â€
Paterno added later: “That’s nobody’s business but mine. It’s not the fans’ business, and it’s not yours.†No one but Paterno, of course, knows whether what he had been told about Sandusky four years earlier crossed his mind.
Joe Paterno is a pervert.
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A fish rots from the head down. 'Nuff said.
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It appears assistant Penn State football coach Mike McQueary is consulting with an attorney with the Harrisburg law firm Strokoff and Cowden.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mcqueary_hires_harrisburg_firm.html
Seriously?
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All Centre County judges recuse themselves from Sandusky case
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/All-Centre-County-judges-recuse-themselves-from/adCvTpjIbkSWUZVuw4RMTg.cspx?rss=50
"The judges’ recusals are intended to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest due to real or perceived connections to the defendant, the Second Mile charity, or the Pennsylvania State University."
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It would appear that Mr McQueary has given Pedo State University ex Athletic Director and ex Vice President the ammunition to probably get themselves out of hot water.
Penn State officials go to court in abuse case
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-11-28/Penn-State-sex-abuse-perjury-hearing/51451554/1
"Lawyers for former athletic director Tim Curley and former senior vice president Gary Schultz are focusing on Michael McQueary's recent statements that appear to contradict grand jury testimony about a 2002 incident in which McQueary allegedly saw Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky rape a 10-year-old boy."
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Let the lawsuits begin.
New accuser is first to sue Penn State coach
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/30/us-crime-coach-pennstate-idUSTRE7AT21X20111130
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Center of Penn State Scandal, Sandusky Tells His Own Story
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/sports/ncaafootball/at-center-of-penn-state-scandal-sandusky-tells-his-own-story.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp
Sandusky is clearly showing his true colors. :mad:
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Making statements in an interview ain't quite the same as making statements on the witness stand.
On the witness stand, you can go to jail for perjury. In an interview with a journalist? No so much.
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The first witness, Victim 4, makes things a bit difficult for Sandusky and his clueless attorney:
Jerry Sandusky trial's first witness confidently testifies about repeated sexual molestation
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-molestation-trial-victim-1-credible-joe-amendola-.html
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Things ain't lookin' good for good ol' Jer.
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I recall a statement Sandusky made that was about as pathetic as Michael Jackson's cookies and milk, and it's all sweet and innocent.
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I recall a statement Sandusky made that was about as pathetic as Michael Jackson's cookies and milk, and it's all sweet and innocent.
Oh yes, the "men of his generation often showered with the team". Creepy and absurd.
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Things ain't lookin' good for good ol' Jer.
And his lawyer got his ass handed to him by the first witness. Yikes...
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The judge in the Sandusky trial allows "heresay" testimony of janitor that caught "Jer" molesting a boy in the showers at Penn State:
Janitor's graphic testimony, Bob Costas' telling interview benefit Jerry Sandusky prosecution
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-janitors-costas-interview-sexual-molestation-.html
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Court adjourned until Monday after damning testimony of Victim 9:
Jerry Sandusky prosecutors leave the jury to mull a mountain of strong evidence over the weekend
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-prosecution-jurors-strong-case-weekend-alleged-victims.html
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This guy is toast. He doesn't even have any legs left. The tide has turned.
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This guy is toast. He doesn't even have any legs left. The tide has turned.
Yeah, it's pretty much over.
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I know Jerry Sanducky, and I met Joe Paterno on a couple of occasions. I also love Penn State. This whole ordeal just has me gut shot. I would never in a million years thought that Sandusky was like this. Him and his wife have always been nothing but kind and generous every time I talked to them (Of course, it's been years since I talked to him).
When this first came to light, I was saying that I don't want to jump to conclusions until all the facts come in and he gets a fair trial. I also said that I believe one or two victims coming forward, but not ten. Now after seeing the facts and what is coming out; I feel he is pretty much toast also.
His defense team is going to try and use the victims only came forward for money play. I don't think that is going to work for them. This whole thing has put one big scar on the town, the history, and school. It is pathetic, and I am glad they voted the board out. It is going to take a long time for the school to recover from this.
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Penn State leaders disregarded victims, 'empowered' Sandusky, review finds
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/12/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-investigation/index.html
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Penn State leaders disregarded victims, 'empowered' Sandusky, review finds
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/12/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-investigation/index.html
I saw that earlier and cried. My beloved University is going to have a hard time coming out of this.
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I saw that earlier and cried. My beloved University is going to have a hard time coming out of this.
A lot of the top sports anchors are saying PSU will never be the same.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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If Paterno knew anything--and it looks like he did--it overshadows everything good he ever did. He sure as hell is no hero, if that's the case.
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A lot of the top sports anchors are saying PSU will never be the same.
That is a possibility. But I am trying to look at it optimistically. They could turn this around and become the best university again; as long as they take this to their advantage and use it to correct all the wrong and put in place things that make it impossible to happen again. It will take a while, but it is possible, and has happen before. Then I could just be dreaming :bawl:
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PSU used to have one of the classiest big college reputations in the nation. It might take a few generations to get that back.
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NCAA president implies death penalty is option for Penn State
http://www.freep.com/article/20120717/SPORTS08/120717038/penn-state-death-penalty-ncaa?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CSports
Penn State students protect Joe Paterno statue
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/penn-state-students-protect-joe-paterno-statue/
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Let me give you some incite from someone who actually knows what Penn State is <- I Grew up there, and went to school there ;)
There is no proof of what Joe said or knew. All this is is speculation brought on by one mans word against his; and seeing that Joe no longer with us, there is no way to get to the truth. There are three sides to every story: Their way, your way, and the truth. In order for 1+1 to equal 3 you need to have the second person to give his input.
As for the statue. I was just there looking at it YESTERDAY. They left the choice of what to do with it up to the Penn State president Rodney Erickson (I am so glad that Graham Spanier is gone. He is such a douchebag), and hasn't decided yet. Either way, I don't care if they take it down, or keep it up. Penn State is about a lot more than football. It is about all the very successful people who went there. So whatever they do will NOT keep me from loving the University, or town.
As for the death penalty? There is no way they can get it (Although the NCAA has said that they might bend the rules). In order to get it, you have to be a repeat offender, show lack of institutional control, and violate NCAA policy. They are not repeat offenders, there was no lack of institutional control (it was a cover up), and they did nothing that violated NCAA policy. There will probably be sanctions, but there is no saying what or how severe they will be. They have to make their minds up here soon though because the season starts in about three or four weeks. I got that from a good lawyer friend of mine who knows what he is talking about.
As for who is screaming about what? The largest majority of people who want Penn State to have the death penalty, and want the statue to come down are people who either, A) Don't know what Penn State is (I doubt they could even point it out on a map), B) have no affiliation with the school, and C) never liked Penn State to begin with.
I love Happy Valley. It is my home, and will always be special to me ....
Edit: Edited for grammar ..
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Gone... (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188530/joe-paterno-statue-removed-penn-state-university-crew-site)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120722073737-paterno-statue-12-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
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There is no proof of what Joe said or knew. All this is is speculation brought on by one mans word against his; and seeing that Joe no longer with us, there is no way to get to the truth. There are three sides to every story: Their way, your way, and the truth. In order for 1+1 to equal 3 you need to have the second person to give his input.
No, but there were apparently emails and in those emails, Paterno derailed at least one effort at reporting Sandusky in 2001. The truth did not die with Paterno.
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Well, no offense to Kyle, buddy, but shit, we're talking about college football -- not the election of the next U.S. president or the importance of drinking enough water every day (pretty damned important -- both of those things).
The overriding principle we're seeing here is that people in power tend to protect themselves and, to a greater extent, the institution on which that person in power derives said power.
That, and the crimes committed against those boys, is the bottom line.
The ****ing statue is a non-issue, as is Paterno's "legacy".
But all that said, I'm not a college football fan at all. So I truly don't give a shit about Penn State's football program, the penalties against the program, and how it's gonna hurt them.
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Everyone who knew Joe, called him Joe (His own kids even called him Joe). Even in the emails they sent him - They called him Joe. Those emails were not sent to "Joe". They called him coach. They also do not implicate joe in anything. It is all one persons word against another. I'm not saying that Joe didn't do enough. But the simple fact is that there is no solid proof that he did anything. There are three sides to every story; your side, their side, and the truth. 1+1 can not equal three unless all parties are available to state their case.
And like I said earlier. It didn't matter to me whether they took the statue down or not. Being a student there, I am looking at the school as more than a football program. There are thousands of great people who graduated from there and there is a lot of good the university has done. Football has never been the reason I went there, as is not the reason why thousands of other people went there. The academics are the number one reason why people go there. And if you read some of the latest tweets by the players, you will see that to be the case.
As for Sandusky, he got what he deserved. I am ashamed to admit that I know the man. Gram Spanier should also be in Jail. As he covered this whole thing up. If you look at the time line: When Joe found out, he did what he was supposed to; go through chain of command (Per union rules) and went to Tim Curly and told him about it. Curly in return said that he will handle it and talk to Spanier. Neither one of them went to the police, or did anything about it. So if anyone is to blame as much as Joe is, it is Curly and Spanier. Why aren't they getting crucified? Because Joe was a very popular figure and they are looking for a scape goat. Spanier was more interested in protecting the schools rep than he was kids. He should rot.
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If Paterno really did what he was supposed to have done, why do you think the Board of Regents FIRED him early on? That might've been even before Sandusky was arrested - I can't recall at the moment.
As you rightly point out, there are facts in this case that the rest of us can't even imagine. The only thing we can do is speculate about who said what to whom, and when it was done.
While PSU might otherwise be a fabulous university, the fact remains that this single (comprising dozens of encounters from Sandusky, mind you) overall incident was enough for the NCAA to call up the nuclear option (not quite death penalty, but close).
Kinda funny you don't hear much from the academic accreditation authorities about sanctions THEY'RE going to take against PSU, isn't it?
As far as this story is concerned, it's ALL about football. Not basketball, hockey, or even the debate club. It's about football -- and I read some figures today in the WSJ regarding income that PSU gets from football and these are staggering numbers.
Money talks. Academia walks (apparently).
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Everyone who knew Joe, called him Joe (His own kids even called him Joe). Even in the emails they sent him - They called him Joe. Those emails were not sent to "Joe". They called him coach. They also do not implicate joe in anything. It is all one persons word against another. I'm not saying that Joe didn't do enough. But the simple fact is that there is no solid proof that he did anything. There are three sides to every story; your side, their side, and the truth. 1+1 can not equal three unless all parties are available to state their case.
And like I said earlier. It didn't matter to me whether they took the statue down or not. Being a student there, I am looking at the school as more than a football program. There are thousands of great people who graduated from there and there is a lot of good the university has done. Football has never been the reason I went there, as is not the reason why thousands of other people went there. The academics are the number one reason why people go there. And if you read some of the latest tweets by the players, you will see that to be the case.
As for Sandusky, he got what he deserved. I am ashamed to admit that I know the man. Gram Spanier should also be in Jail. As he covered this whole thing up. If you look at the time line: When Joe found out, he did what he was supposed to; go through chain of command (Per union rules) and went to Tim Curly and told him about it. Curly in return said that he will handle it and talk to Spanier. Neither one of them went to the police, or did anything about it. So if anyone is to blame as much as Joe is, it is Curly and Spanier. Why aren't they getting crucified? Because Joe was a very popular figure and they are looking for a scape goat. Spanier was more interested in protecting the schools rep than he was kids. He should rot.
Kyle...
First of all, before I address the items I bolded in your post..... I'm a mother of a son who was active in sports when he was in high school. I enjoy and look forward to college football season every year, I grew up and went to college in the midwest, and have lived deep into SEC territory for 30 years, and only really cared about PennState when it came to bowl games. I'm a whole lot older than you and since I'm a woman, I'm sure my view of the world is quite different from yours.
With regard to your comments:
I don't care that people referred to Paterno as Joe or JoePa or Nice Guy or Asshole. Your comment that there is no solid proof that he did anything. Yep, you are right. He did NOTHING! That, Kyle, is the whole point! Joe Paterno did nothing.
So what that he told the higher ups? Because that was the "right thing to do per union rules"? What union? What UNION is going to ALLOW A CHILD TO BE RAPED!!!
Paterno a "scape goat"? Paterno is NOT A SCAPEGOAT!! PATERNO FAILED THE COURSE IN HUMAN DECENCY! IN HUMAN COMPASSION! IN DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THOSE CHILDREN EVEN IF IT WAS JUST ONE CHILD!!
Anyone, ANYONE, who sees or learns of a child being raped or sexually abused, from an EYE WITNESS (who had no axe to grind) has an obligation to call the cops! Not wait for it to go "through the proper channels".
Do you honestly think, if Paterno's report of the abuse - following the proper channels - had been properly processed, he would not have heard about it? And when there was nothing done, do you honestly - HONESTLY believe - Paterno thought it was investigated and resolved with no actiion being taken against Sandusky? NO followup back to Paterno?
You cannot possibly be that naive! Though if you are, you certainly are not alone based on the remarks I have seen on numerous websites - ESPN, FOX, MSNBC, my local paper and tv stations. PennState, by Paterno's and the Administration's handling of the "problem of Sandusky", failed in human decency.
I don't give a rat's patoot that Paterno was a great football coach and a humanitarian!
When it comes down to the bottom line, Paterno failed.
He failed in human decency.
He failed a child who was being raped.
Not just one, but many.
Nothing, NOTHING! can overcome that one failure, as far as I am concerned.
Kyle, you and all the other people who are defending Paterno.....ask yourself one very simple question.
"IF it was YOUR CHILD who was RAPED, would you still defend Paterno?"
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The board was trying to get rid of Paterno for a couple of years. When this happen they found a loop hole. They fired him without just cause no investigation in the matter. They just went by the word of one man, and got rid of both him and Spanier. Why do you think they did it by phone call at night? Because they knew the backlash they would get. The board is a joke anyhow. Governor Tom Corbett is on the board.
Yes, the university does make a lot of money from the football program. But name a school with a big football program that doesn't? There are schools who make more than Penn State with their football program. The NCAA has stated that they put football before Academics, but if you look at the students who go there, you will find that the majority go for the education and not football.
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Kyle...
First of all, before I address the items I bolded in your post..... I'm a mother of a son who was active in sports when he was in high school. I enjoy and look forward to college football season every year, I grew up and went to college in the midwest, and have lived deep into SEC territory for 30 years, and only really cared about PennState when it came to bowl games. I'm a whole lot older than you and since I'm a woman, I'm sure my view of the world is quite different from yours.
With regard to your comments:
I don't care that people referred to Paterno as Joe or JoePa or Nice Guy or Asshole. Your comment that there is no solid proof that he did anything. Yep, you are right. He did NOTHING! That, Kyle, is the whole point! Joe Paterno did nothing.
So what that he told the higher ups? Because that was the "right thing to do per union rules"? What union? What UNION is going to ALLOW A CHILD TO BE RAPED!!!
Paterno a "scape goat"? Paterno is NOT A SCAPEGOAT!! PATERNO FAILED THE COURSE IN HUMAN DECENCY! IN HUMAN COMPASSION! IN DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THOSE CHILDREN EVEN IF IT WAS JUST ONE CHILD!!
Anyone, ANYONE, who sees or learns of a child being raped or sexually abused, from an EYE WITNESS (who had no axe to grind) has an obligation to call the cops! Not wait for it to go "through the proper channels".
Do you honestly think, if Paterno's report of the abuse - following the proper channels - had been properly processed, he would not have heard about it? And when there was nothing done, do you honestly - HONESTLY believe - Paterno thought it was investigated and resolved with no actiion being taken against Sandusky? NO followup back to Paterno?
You cannot possibly be that naive! Though if you are, you certainly are not alone based on the remarks I have seen on numerous websites - ESPN, FOX, MSNBC, my local paper and tv stations. PennState, by Paterno's and the Administration's handling of the "problem of Sandusky", failed in human decency.
I don't give a rat's patoot that Paterno was a great football coach and a humanitarian!
When it comes down to the bottom line, Paterno failed.
He failed in human decency.
He failed a child who was being raped.
Not just one, but many.
Nothing, NOTHING! can overcome that one failure, as far as I am concerned.
Kyle, you and all the other people who are defending Paterno.....ask yourself one very simple question.
"IF it was YOUR CHILD who was RAPED, would you still defend Paterno?"
:clap: :clap:
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The board was trying to get rid of Paterno for a couple of years. When this happen they found a loop hole. They fired him without just cause no investigation in the matter. They just went by the word of one man, and got rid of both him and Spanier. Why do you think they did it by phone call at night? Because they knew the backlash they would get. The board is a joke anyhow. Governor Tom Corbett is on the board.
Yes, the university does make a lot of money from the football program. But name a school with a big football program that doesn't? There are schools who make more than Penn State with their football program. The NCAA has stated that they put football before Academics, but if you look at the students who go there, you will find that the majority go for the education and not football.
Wow, deb nailed it. You really are defending the indefensible. Better wake up Kyle. You're not getting any younger.
If you mean that they were encouraging Paterno to retire, yeah, I'll grant you that. I read an account that the prez (Spaniel, or whatever) attempted to ease Paterno out, whereupon Paterno basically told Spaniel to stick it up his ass.
That's arrogance, Kyle. Joe Paterno, at the age of 80 or so, is so wrapped up in his power base that he can't even say, hey, I'm outta here for the sake of my family and the few years I've got left.
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Kyle...
First of all, before I address the items I bolded in your post..... I'm a mother of a son who was active in sports when he was in high school. I enjoy and look forward to college football season every year, I grew up and went to college in the midwest, and have lived deep into SEC territory for 30 years, and only really cared about PennState when it came to bowl games. I'm a whole lot older than you and since I'm a woman, I'm sure my view of the world is quite different from yours.
With regard to your comments:
I don't care that people referred to Paterno as Joe or JoePa or Nice Guy or Asshole. Your comment that there is no solid proof that he did anything. Yep, you are right. He did NOTHING! That, Kyle, is the whole point! Joe Paterno did nothing.
So what that he told the higher ups? Because that was the "right thing to do per union rules"? What union? What UNION is going to ALLOW A CHILD TO BE RAPED!!!
Paterno a "scape goat"? Paterno is NOT A SCAPEGOAT!! PATERNO FAILED THE COURSE IN HUMAN DECENCY! IN HUMAN COMPASSION! IN DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THOSE CHILDREN EVEN IF IT WAS JUST ONE CHILD!!
Anyone, ANYONE, who sees or learns of a child being raped or sexually abused, from an EYE WITNESS (who had no axe to grind) has an obligation to call the cops! Not wait for it to go "through the proper channels".
Do you honestly think, if Paterno's report of the abuse - following the proper channels - had been properly processed, he would not have heard about it? And when there was nothing done, do you honestly - HONESTLY believe - Paterno thought it was investigated and resolved with no actiion being taken against Sandusky? NO followup back to Paterno?
You cannot possibly be that naive! Though if you are, you certainly are not alone based on the remarks I have seen on numerous websites - ESPN, FOX, MSNBC, my local paper and tv stations. PennState, by Paterno's and the Administration's handling of the "problem of Sandusky", failed in human decency.
I don't give a rat's patoot that Paterno was a great football coach and a humanitarian!
When it comes down to the bottom line, Paterno failed.
He failed in human decency.
He failed a child who was being raped.
Not just one, but many.
Nothing, NOTHING! can overcome that one failure, as far as I am concerned.
Kyle, you and all the other people who are defending Paterno.....ask yourself one very simple question.
"IF it was YOUR CHILD who was RAPED, would you still defend Paterno?"
First of all. He went to the heads and told them. They didn't do anything. Sure he should have went to the police. But Penn State Union has a rule where you have to go through the chain of command, or risk getting fired. It was a double edge sword for him either way you look it.
And if my child was raped, I would go after Sandusky. Joe did what he was supposed to per union rules. If you are saying that since he didn't go to the police as not doing anything, then I will accept that.
I live here, I seen it first hand. I don't need to look at news papers, or watch news stations to see what is going on. Unless someone is actually here witnessing it, then I guess they will never what actually know what happen.
I'm done with this thread.
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First of all. He went to the heads and told them. They didn't do anything. Sure he should have went to the police. But Penn State Union has a rule where you have to go through the chain of command, or risk getting fired. It was a double edge sword for him either way you look it.
And if my child was raped, I would go after Sandusky. Joe did what he was supposed to per union rules. If you are saying that since he didn't go to the police as not doing anything, then I will accept that.
I live here, I seen it first hand. I don't need to look at news papers, or watch news stations to see what is going on. Unless someone is actually here witnessing it, then I guess they will never what actually know what happen.
I'm done with this thread.
That's probably for the best, Kyle, as Eupher said, you are trying to defend the indefensible.
There is no defense for any of those involved. Sandusky did the deed, of that there is not doubt. But all the rest of them were his enablers. They covered for Sandusky, as did his wife, and that makes them all guilty of lack of human decency. All they cared about was PennState's reputation and the money that rep brought to them as individuals and to the football department and university.
IF Sandusky had been properly dealt with, when the first report was made, Penn State would have survived. Paterno would have survived, as would everyone else. The football program would have survived without any sanctions against it.
As Sir Walter Scott said over 200 years ago..."Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!"
Sandusky was the spider....but Paterno and PennState's Admins wove the web.
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Kyle, my oldest son was a very big Mike Vick fan going from his first game at VT to his arrest in Atlanta. He was in deep denial that Mike Vick had anything to do with the dog ring and was certain that he was being set up even after Vick admitted his role in the whole thing on TV. I had to put my arm around him and tell him that there was a very real possibility that Vick was the dumbest sumbitch to play pro football in a long time and he needed to realize that.
You, my friend, are veering dangerously into that area. From the ESPN article (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8159195/report-says-penn-state-nittany-lions-senior-officials-disregarded-children-welfare) about the report:
Sexual abuse might have been prevented if university officials had banned Sandusky from bringing children onto campus after a 1998 inquiry, the report said. Despite their knowledge of the police probe into Sandusky showering with a boy in a football locker room, Spanier, Paterno, Curley and Schultz took no action to limit his access to campus, the report said.
The report also singled out the revered Penn State football program -- one built on the motto "success with honor" -- for criticism. It says Paterno and university leaders allowed Sandusky to retire in 1999, "not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy, with future 'visibility' at Penn State," allowing him to groom victims.
Some of the report's most damning evidence against Paterno consists of handwritten notes and emails that portray him as being involved with a decision by the school officials not to tell child welfare authorities about the 2001 encounter.
Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Child Welfare. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind about the plan "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe."
Spanier concurred but noted "the only downside for us is if the message isn't (heard) and acted upon and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."
The emails also show Paterno closely followed the 1998 allegation.
You can take at the 267 page report for yourself (http://assets.espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0712/psupressrelease.pdf).
Dude, Paterno put his program over the lives and well being of at risk children. That's it, that's all there is to it. No he said/she said, he chose his power base over children and enabled a monster to run loose. I'm sorry if it kills your image of what you remember, but it happened.
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Report: Accusers say abuse pre-'90s
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8170790/penn-state-nittany-lions-new-jerry-sandusky-accusers-say-abuse-dates-1970s-report-says
Three men have told investigators that Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator recently convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse, molested them in the 1970s and 1980s, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., has reported, citing sources close to the case.
Sickening! :argh: :puke:
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Kyle...
First of all, before I address the items I bolded in your post..... I'm a mother of a son who was active in sports when he was in high school. I enjoy and look forward to college football season every year, I grew up and went to college in the midwest, and have lived deep into SEC territory for 30 years, and only really cared about PennState when it came to bowl games. I'm a whole lot older than you and since I'm a woman, I'm sure my view of the world is quite different from yours.
With regard to your comments:
I don't care that people referred to Paterno as Joe or JoePa or Nice Guy or Asshole. Your comment that there is no solid proof that he did anything. Yep, you are right. He did NOTHING! That, Kyle, is the whole point! Joe Paterno did nothing.
So what that he told the higher ups? Because that was the "right thing to do per union rules"? What union? What UNION is going to ALLOW A CHILD TO BE RAPED!!!
Paterno a "scape goat"? Paterno is NOT A SCAPEGOAT!! PATERNO FAILED THE COURSE IN HUMAN DECENCY! IN HUMAN COMPASSION! IN DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THOSE CHILDREN EVEN IF IT WAS JUST ONE CHILD!!
Anyone, ANYONE, who sees or learns of a child being raped or sexually abused, from an EYE WITNESS (who had no axe to grind) has an obligation to call the cops! Not wait for it to go "through the proper channels".
Do you honestly think, if Paterno's report of the abuse - following the proper channels - had been properly processed, he would not have heard about it? And when there was nothing done, do you honestly - HONESTLY believe - Paterno thought it was investigated and resolved with no actiion being taken against Sandusky? NO followup back to Paterno?
You cannot possibly be that naive! Though if you are, you certainly are not alone based on the remarks I have seen on numerous websites - ESPN, FOX, MSNBC, my local paper and tv stations. PennState, by Paterno's and the Administration's handling of the "problem of Sandusky", failed in human decency.
I don't give a rat's patoot that Paterno was a great football coach and a humanitarian!
When it comes down to the bottom line, Paterno failed.
He failed in human decency.
He failed a child who was being raped.
Not just one, but many.
Nothing, NOTHING! can overcome that one failure, as far as I am concerned.
Kyle, you and all the other people who are defending Paterno.....ask yourself one very simple question.
"IF it was YOUR CHILD who was RAPED, would you still defend Paterno?"
Exactly. Paterno screwed up.
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Report: Accusers say abuse pre-'90s
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8170790/penn-state-nittany-lions-new-jerry-sandusky-accusers-say-abuse-dates-1970s-report-says
Sickening! :argh: :puke:
Sandusky didn't just have a midlife crisis and decide to start porking young boys. That sick bastard has been doing that shit for decades.
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A good man
Why are the trustees, media, etc. picking on Joe Paterno? He reported the Jerry Sandusky incident to his superiors and it went up to the university president. Upper management “hushed it up,†not Joe. Why aren’t they being persecuted by the Courier-Post and other media? Joe followed protocol.
Paterno was a great person, coach and role model. He won more games than any other college coach. His players had some of the highest graduation rates in the country. He coached through a broken leg and hip. He built a library.
Over all the years, he was not paid as much as Nick Saban, Bobby Bowden and other big-name coaches. Yet the media criticized him negotiating a contract with Penn State after he appeared before the Sandusky grand jury. His contract was expiring, so wouldn’t you do the same?
The man did wonders for Penn State. He gave his life to Penn State. Is this the way the trustees are going to treat him? The trustees should blame themselves for allowing the former president and vice president to cover up the abuse by Sandusky.
How about the abused children; they accepted tickets to Penn State games, lunches, dinners, etc. Didn’t they have motives? Why didn’t they go to their parents, police or school officials? Why are they held blameless? Now, years later, they come forward, including Sandusky’s son.
Wake up, America. Everyone points to Paterno since he was famous. The real blame belongs in many other places.
VINCENT TOMEI
Haddon Heights
http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120804/OPINION01/308040003/A-good-man
What a sick person! This guy sounds like a pervert. :bird:
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Sandusky raped young boys in the Penn State football showers.
Paterno knew about Sandusky.
Paterno knew and turned his back.
Paterno doesn't deserve respect just because he had a lot of winning seasons as a football coach.
Paterno turned his back when it really mattered.
To hell with Paterno.
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Sandusky raped young boys in the Penn State football showers.
Paterno knew about Sandusky.
Paterno knew and turned his back.
Paterno doesn't deserve respect just because he had a lot of winning seasons as a football coach.
Paterno turned his back when it really mattered.
To hell with Paterno.
Pretty much...
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Feds probe possible Jerry Sandusky child porn ring
http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/article/267753/81/Feds-probe-possible-Sandusky-child-porn-ring
Jerry Sandusky and major Penn State donor 'abused two boys aboard a private plane', claims new witness
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2187748/Penn-State-sex-abuse-scandal-Witness-says-saw-Sandusky-donor-abuse-boys.html#ixzz23RQGXoP5
Looks like Sandusky could be part of a child porn and pedophile ring.
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Pretty much...
Agreed. Joe Paterno is scum.
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Joe Paterno distraught after firing.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8272847/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-distraught-firing
The AP article states that Paterno lamented to his son Jay that he tried to make his name mean something but now that is all gone.
:whatever:
Not a tear for the children that were savaged, no real regret at what he enabled in favor of the Penn State brand, just sadness for his tarnished legacy.
**** you, Joe, you now have eternity to contemplate what you did...
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Joe Paterno distraught after firing.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8272847/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-distraught-firing
The AP article states that Paterno lamented to his son Jay that he tried to make his name mean something but now that is all gone.
:whatever:
Not a tear for the children that were savaged, no real regret at what he enabled in favor of the Penn State brand, just sadness for his tarnished legacy.
**** you, Joe, you now have eternity to contemplate what you did...
Joe's reaction is kinda understandable, actually. This is a guy who was worshiped everywhere he went. He could do no wrong. He was on top of the world. For decades, this man was essentially accountable to no one but himself, so his ego took a healthy rise skywards.
When it all came crashing down, essentially instantaneously after so many decades of being worshiped like a king, his ego did his speaking for him -- certainly not his empathy, should he have had some.
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Joe Paterno distraught after firing.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8272847/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-distraught-firing
The AP article states that Paterno lamented to his son Jay that he tried to make his name mean something but now that is all gone.
:whatever:
Not a tear for the children that were savaged, no real regret at what he enabled in favor of the Penn State brand, just sadness for his tarnished legacy.
**** you, Joe, you now have eternity to contemplate what you did...
Someone should call the Whambulance for Joe Paterno.
(http://i3.tinypic.com/vr3qlk.jpg)
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When you need to recover from gettin your wham on...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A[/youtube]
Gaydar alert...
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When it first came out that Joe Paterno reported the incident that was given to him to University officials who failed to do their duty I thought he had done his part in passing the allegations.But later as more background information came up it showed that Joe was not the honest joe he was supposed to be since he was aware of Sandusky's questionable behavior long before.
The sad part is that Joe made the mistake of sticking with someone slimy as Sandusky is by looking the other way on suspicious behavior and claims made against Jerry back in the 1990's when Jerry was still a coach who was then forced to retire due to those police investigation of the claims.He knew about something but continued to stay with Jerry because his own football life was more important than the victims lives who suffered from the attacks.
This mean that Joe Paterno cared little about the victims because he chose to live a lie that he is a special man and a great man as well.Now that he is exposed for the scum he really is his fan base got much smaller very fast as they are better people that he ever was and sided in sympathy for the victims who suffered for years.But for the remaining few who are repeating the very same error Joe did with Sandusky are going to stick with Joe despite the revelations.
Some people never understand themselves as what they really are.
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When it first came out that Joe Paterno reported the incident that was given to him to University officials who failed to do their duty I thought he had done his part in passing the allegations.But later as more background information came up it showed that Joe was not the honest joe he was supposed to be since he was aware of Sandusky's questionable behavior long before.
The sad part is that Joe made the mistake of sticking with someone slimy as Sandusky is by looking the other way on suspicious behavior and claims made against Jerry back in the 1990's when Jerry was still a coach who was then forced to retire due to those police investigation of the claims.He knew about something but continued to stay with Jerry because his own football life was more important than the victims lives who suffered from the attacks.
This mean that Joe Paterno cared little about the victims because he chose to live a lie that he is a special man and a great man as well.Now that he is exposed for the scum he really is his fan base got much smaller very fast as they are better people that he ever was and sided in sympathy for the victims who suffered for years.But for the remaining few who are repeating the very same error Joe did with Sandusky are going to stick with Joe despite the revelations.
Some people never understand themselves as what they really are.
It takes a lot of courage to get honest with yourself. It takes more to admit you're not.
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The people who defend Joe Pa terno annoy the hell out of me.
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Self-described 'child prostitute' connects Jerry Sandusky to Poly Prep sex abuse scandal and coach Phil Foglietta
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/self-described-child-prostitute-connects-jerry-sandusky-poly-prep-sex-abuse-scandal-coach-phil-foglietta-article-1.1163303
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Sometimes a single fuse can light off a matrix of fuses.
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Self-described 'child prostitute' connects Jerry Sandusky to Poly Prep sex abuse scandal and coach Phil Foglietta
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/self-described-child-prostitute-connects-jerry-sandusky-poly-prep-sex-abuse-scandal-coach-phil-foglietta-article-1.1163303
Another child molester, offered a job at Pedo State..... Holy shit!
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Another child molester, offered a job at Pedo State..... Holy shit!
They are all creeps. :argh:
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Judge Upholds Perjury Charges (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8428732/penn-state-nittany-lions-judge-upholds-perjury-charges-gary-schultz-tim-curley).
AP story, link only.
A judge upheld the perjury charges against AD Tim Curley and retired VP Gary Schultz.
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Former Penn State President Graham Spanier Cites His Own Child Abuse
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-president-graham-spanier-cites-child-abuse/story?id=17060668#.UGXfK0bbgZQ
This comes from a person who covered up perversion at Penn State. Graham Spanier has written articles about sex as he studied sociology.
Former PSU head Spanier was leading researcher on sex, family issues
http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-24/news/33343430_1_sociology-researcher-administrators
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Former Penn State President Graham Spanier Cites His Own Child Abuse
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-president-graham-spanier-cites-child-abuse/story?id=17060668#.UGXfK0bbgZQ
This comes from a person who covered up perversion at Penn State. Graham Spanier has written articles about sex as he studied sociology.
Former PSU head Spanier was leading researcher on sex, family issues
http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-24/news/33343430_1_sociology-researcher-administrators
Sounds like Spanier should be sharing a jail cell with Sandusky, huh?
No one has pointed out the obvious: Don't hire libs/perverts!
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Sounds like Spanier should be sharing a jail cell with Sandusky, huh?
No one has pointed out the obvious: Don't hire libs/perverts!
Agreed. They are all scumbags. :argh: :bird:
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McQueary files defamation suit against Penn St.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/oct/03/mcqueary-files-defamation-suit-against-penn-st/
A former Penn State graduate assistant who complained he saw former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky showering with a young boy on campus and testified at his sex abuse trial sued the university yesterday for what he calls defamation and misrepresentation.
Mike McQueary's whistle-blower lawsuit claims his treatment by the university since Sandusky was arrested in November has caused him distress, anxiety, humiliation and embarrassment. The complaint, filed in county court near State College, Pa., where the university is based, seeks millions of dollars in damages.
Another big crybaby, Mike McQueary! :bird:
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McQueary files defamation suit against Penn St.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/oct/03/mcqueary-files-defamation-suit-against-penn-st/
Damn! Really?!?
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Damn! Really?!?
Yes he is. What a coward!
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Yes he is. What a coward!
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGG watched a documentary back in the mid 80's about the Man Boy love Association. Way back then it was just starting to come out of the closet.
These men are powerful and have allot of money to boot. They can be doctors, lawyers, judges and teachers of all kinds. Theres is a secrete group that protect each other and will go to any extreme to protect themselves.
Nasty piece of work they are, if they think a member may become a danger to them, that member just disappears or has a bad accident.--------
Our local paper had a story on a group in our area back in the 1990's and believe me even small towns have these groups.
Right up the road we have Ogunquit the new home of Barney Frank and his Wife [?] The University of N.H. down the road has had it's share of scandals with the Tenured Professors.
Last few months we have had a licensed Therapist for mental problems arrested for running a prostitution ring out of his apartment.
Then the next towns Hospital that had a mad man spreading Hep C to patients, --------It's a JUNGLE out there.
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Jerry Sandusky jail time likely to include a job, watching Penn State games
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/07/jerry-sandusky-likely-to-work-30-hours-week-watch-penn-state-games-after/?test=latestnews
Jerry Sandusky should be executed. :argh: :bird:
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Graham Spanier charged in Sandusky scandal cover-up
http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-amnews-spanier-charges-arraignment,0,7345197.story?track=rss
Graham Spanier is now charged for his role in the cover-up. Spanier is a real creep. :mental: :bird:
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Sue Paterno, the widow of the late Penn State football coach Joe Paterno, has emailed a letter to hundreds of former Penn State players, informing them that a report, commissioned by the family in response to the Freeh Report, will be released Sunday.
According to Sue Paterno's letter, the report presents "a persuasive critique of the Freeh report as a total disservice to victims of Sandusky and the cause of preventing child sex offenses."
The report also questions the interpretation of evidence by the Freeh Report, and the NCAA's actions in sanctioning Penn State. In her letter to players, Sue Paterno also defends her late husband as a "moral, disciplined" man who never twisted the truth to avoid bad publicity.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8929860/sue-paterno-defends-joe-paterno-letter-penn-state-nittany-lions-players
I guess we'll see what they come up with, huh? I'm thinking that if they paid for a "report", they'll probably get what they're looking for.
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I had hoped we would get a clearer picture of what the conversation was between Tim Curley, VP Gary Schultz, Graham Spanier and Paterno when they testified. Looks like it's going to be quite a while before Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Graham Spanier go to trial. :censored:
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Sue Paterno tells Katie Couric she didn't know of Sandusky crimes or 'never in a million years would I have let my children spend time with' him
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/02/sue_paterno_reportedly_speaks.html#incart_m-rpt-2
Many of the replies are idiotic.
Sam Deegan
Most people have made up their minds on this issue. I believe Joe and Sue knew nothing. I knew Jerry somewhat and I had no idea. But that is only my belief. This will not change many minds one way or the other. Penn State should put the statue of Joe Paterno back up where it was, play football ,and move on. It's over for the most part.
5 Minutes Ago
Metrix
Tim, you have absolutely nothing other than your fanciful wishful thinking to support your claim that the police did not believe Victim #1 in 2008. Police take complaints. They investigate. They gather evidence. There is such a thing as a presumption of innocence.
14 Minutes Ago
ripples
Great headline too:
"'Never in a million years would I have let my children spend time with Jerry Sandusky'"
which gives the impression that she knew what was up with JS. That is much different than the actual quote:
"'Never in a million years would I have let my children spend time with Jerry Sandusky if I had any inkling he could have committed these crimes,'"
Much like Joe's quote of "In hindsight..." which is always taken out of context so it appears Joe incriminates himself.
This is typical of the entire reporting on the JS crime....
Sprintfan1 likes this.
4 Hours Ago
susquehanna6
What is your motivation, Czar? Seems to me "thou protest too much"!
2 Hours Ago
wearefightingback
Great point! Mothers of these victims...where are they? But yet Joe Paterno continues to be crucified by the media and the haters for orchestrating a cover-up of epic proportions.
6 Hours Ago
Uh, most of his victims were from troubled homes. Moron! :bird:
Jude
I don't think most of the mothers of these victims are exactly outstanding citizens.
5 Hours Ago
Another moron!
willynelson
yes it's the moms of these kids who are at fault. why, if they hadn't let their boys seduce old Jerry, all would be good.
3 Hours Ago
What a pervert! :bird: :bird:
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Sue and Jay Paterno are out and about (again), beating the "poor Joe, he had no idea" (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9155886/joe-paterno-widow-insists-husband-was-ignorant-child-sexual-abuse) drum (again). I am really getting tired of anyone trying to feed this innocent waif bullshit about Joe Paterno. Either he was the King of Penn State, or he was the fool. Either he was a mastermind that knew everything that went on in his program, or he was a lead from the office type.
Make up your damn minds!
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Sue and Jay Paterno are out and about (again), beating the "poor Joe, he had no idea" (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9155886/joe-paterno-widow-insists-husband-was-ignorant-child-sexual-abuse) drum (again). I am really getting tired of anyone trying to feed this innocent waif bullshit about Joe Paterno. Either he was the King of Penn State, or he was the fool. Either he was a mastermind that knew everything that went on in his program, or he was a lead from the office type.
Make up your damn minds!
Considering that Jerry Sandusky was coaching since 1969, Joe Paterno had to have known for some time.................
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The board certainly thought he know what was going on -- they canned him. He was the first out, wasn't he?
I thought they acted too quickly in firing him. Not that he was innocent, but it was so early in the process. Their decision was all based on money, which is exactly what NCAA BCS football is all about.
It's a shame he had to go out like this, and I never even liked him.
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I thought they acted too quickly in firing him. Not that he was innocent, but it was so early in the process. Their decision was all based on money, which is exactly what NCAA BCS football is all about.
Money?
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Money?
Certainly played a big part of that decision process. FBS is a multi-BILLION dollar business, and Penn State was no small part of that. Couple that with the fact that the university (and by extension, the PA taxpayer, as Penn State is a public university) is now on the hook for millions, if not tens of millions in settlement money, and SOMEONE has to pay.
The President of the university was shown the door, as he was the head, and so was JoPa, since you don't run that program for over 40 years without knowing EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that goes on under your program. Ignorance was simply not a believable excuse in this case.
Whether you like it or not, the school and the Paterno family are doing damage control to minimize financial impact as well as harm to their names/legacy.
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Certainly played a big part of that decision process. FBS is a multi-BILLION dollar business, and Penn State was no small part of that. Couple that with the fact that the university (and by extension, the PA taxpayer, as Penn State is a public university) is now on the hook for millions, if not tens of millions in settlement money, and SOMEONE has to pay.
The President of the university was shown the door, as he was the head, and so was JoPa, since you don't run that program for over 40 years without knowing EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that goes on under your program. Ignorance was simply not a believable excuse in this case.
Whether you like it or not, the school and the Paterno family are doing damage control to minimize financial impact as well as harm to their names/legacy.
They had to have known what Jerry Sandusky was up to.
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The President of the university was shown the door, as he was the head, and so was JoPa, since you don't run that program for over 40 years without knowing EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that goes on under your program. Ignorance was simply not a believable excuse in this case.
I think this had more to do with it than just money.
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I think this had more to do with it than just money.
I never said money was the ONLY thing, but you'd be naive to think that wasn't part of the equation.
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I never said money was the ONLY thing, but you'd be naive to think that wasn't part of the equation.
Of course it is.
I know you know all this, Sparky, but I feel a mini-rant coming on.
Colleges and universities are BUSINESSES and they mean to operate FOR PROFIT. Football is a huge, huge part of endowments and all kinds of money receipts - TV, radio, etc.
For that reason, and because of relative success, Joe Paterno was looked upon as being the proverbial Goose that kept laying the Golden Egg. Year after year, Paterno brought the money in.
The money that Paterno brought in was the source of his power, principally. Football bowl games and national championships and all that related bullshit pale in comparison to the CASH that those activities bring in.
Ancillary to all this is the warm 'n fuzzy hoo-rah bullshit that sports brings on to a lot of people. These are the people whose eyes glaze over when August rolls around because that means football is in the air. These are the people who hang out in sports bars and do chest bumps with each other when their favorite team scores a touchdown, spilling beer all over themselves in the process. These are the people who paint themselves in all manner of dumbass paint schemes and refuse to wear any clothing on their naked torsos in 0 deg. weather. (Are you listening, Cleveland?)
You damned straight it's about money.
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And yet funny, ain't it--for all that cash that JoPa brought into the university, when he started as a coach, a year's tuition at Penn State would set you back $800. Now? $20K. Not including books, room, and board.
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Matt Sandusky, adopted son of Jerry Sandusky, files for name change for himself and family (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/07/matt_sandusky_adopted_son_of_j.html)
Good luck with that.
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Matt Sandusky, adopted son of Jerry Sandusky, files for name change for himself and family (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/07/matt_sandusky_adopted_son_of_j.html)
Good luck with that.
They could let him change it to George Zimmerman. :-)
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You ain't right. :rofl:
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Child told Paterno of sex abuse in 1976, court papers allege
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
A new bombshell dropped in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal Thursday.
It came in the form of a single line in a court order on a related insurance coverage case involving Penn State, and its full ramifications can't immediately be gauged.
But that line was eye-popping in itself.
The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."
Looks like Joe Paterno knew as early as 1976. This gets worse and worse. The cover up has been going on for decades. :argh:
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Joe Paterno Knew of Sandusky Abuse Allegations as Early as 1976, Insurance Company Claims
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/joe-paterno-knew-sandusky-abuse-allegations-early-1976-insurance-company-n569066
The late Penn State University football coach Joe Paterno knew about sexual abuse allegations against former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky as early as 1976, according to an assertion in a Philadelphia court order made public Thursday.
The claim emerged in a dispute over who should pay Penn State's share of about $60 million in settlements with 26 men who say Sandusky abused them when they were children — the university or its insurance company.
Previously, the abuse was widely thought to have occurred from 1994 through 2008, when Sandusky ran a youth charity called Second Mile.
This gets even worse.
According to the order, the insurance company further claims that in 1987 and 1988, other assistant coaches witnessed "inappropriate" or "sexual" conduct between Sandusky and children, and that in 1988, a similar allegation was referred to Penn State's athletic director.
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Sandusky victim: Joe Paterno told me to drop abuse accusation
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/us/jerry-sandusky-victims-paterno-penn-state/
(CNN)After four years of feuding over the legacy of Joe Paterno, with a few vague details about what he may have known about allegations of sexual abuse by one of his coaches, it is becoming clear there may be much more.
There are now two allegations by men who say they were sexually abused by Jerry Sandusky, who also say they reported their abuse to the legendary coach in the 1970s.
One of those allegations was made public in a court order related to a lawsuit Penn State University filed against its former insurer over who should have to pay settlements to the more than 30 men who have come forward as victims of Sandusky. The victim was not identified, and the details come from a deposition that is sealed.
It even goes back to now 1971. :mad: :argh:
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:beathorse:
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:beathorse:
Not quite a dead horse considering how much noise has been made by the Paterno supporters that he never knew.
Good catch, Ptarmy, and thanks for posting.
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A previous post by the esteemed Ptarmy, in this thread, that documents some of what he is posting now.
Report: Accusers say abuse pre-'90s
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8170790/penn-state-nittany-lions-new-jerry-sandusky-accusers-say-abuse-dates-1970s-report-says
Sickening! :argh: :puke:
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:beathorse:
Pretty serious stuff right there! It was mentioned before.
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Joe Paterno knew of alleged sexual abuse by Jerry Sandusky in 1976, court documents say
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/07/12/joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-sexual-assault-complaint/86982048/
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno dismissed a sexual assault complaint made against assistant coach Jerry Sandusky by a 14-year-old boy in 1976 and the school was made aware of other allegations long before Sandusky was arrested in 2011, according to documents unsealed Tuesday in a Philadelphia courthouse.
A person deposed as part of an ongoing insurance lawsuit was asked by a lawyer if Paterno said, “I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about.â€
The man, identified only as John Doe 150, confirmed in a 2014 deposition that Paterno indeed said that after the man approached him about Sandusky’s inappropriate sexual contact in a shower.
It gets more disturbing! :argh: :puke: