TiT's Greatest Hits: A Musical Retrospective...

[delilahmused]

TiT's Greatest Hits: A Musical Retrospective of the 2nd Most Highly Decorated Enlisted Man in the Navy.

OK, as I'm going through the various TiT threads I keep getting distracted by the sheer volume of his musical works. It's taking me twice as long to get to all the other amazing things he's done. I thought it only proper to honor such profound talent by creating a songbook of sorts. Since TiT will be going into the studio to record soon it might be helpful to him to have his repertoire together in one place (as he himself has admitted to being an alcoholic, one imagines his memory suffers). It's the least we can do to honor such a highly decorated veteran...and the ONLY member of SEAL Team 3 during the Vietnam War. Plus, as vacation season is upon us, and given the DUmmies reverence for nature and lack of money in this horrid Bush economy, camping will be a popular excursion for the primitives on Skin's Island. They can dance and sing to the music of one of their very own war heros.

I'm just going to copy and paste, although I do have screen caps of his music on my computer in case they disappear down the memory hole at DU. Note: for those of you who want an excellent free screen capturing utility check out Jarte, http://www.jarte.com. It not only does a great job of capturing but is a superb Wordpad replacement.

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-02-06 03:54 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. Here's one for ya', NG..
   This is for a friend of mine...

Bad JuJu...

Death Row..

Things don't always work out like our parents dreamed.


Now I shoot the Darkness down
I puncture what is swollen
And sometime I'll tear it down
Just to keep it rolling
But pictures some years gone by
and someone who can't do that
Then step back and tell me how
You get somebody thru that

When they know that soon the axe will fall
Judge not somebody hopeless
Or anyone who can't quite focus
Kill what you can that is not pure
And take the black angel cure.

Actually, there was a whole lot of drivel in front of that thing, but I am much too slow on the keyboard.

T

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-12-06 10:33 PM
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Driving Across America (for Tom Yossarian Joad)
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The gentle winds of change, I hear the sound
It stirs the quiet desert sand
I ride the rails of joy and sorrow down
Into the canyons of this Land

Thru my windshield I see Fear and Faith
Rich and Poor from town to town
One owns a Bible and one owns a safe
But neither walk on common ground

Tonight I'm driving across America
Mister, can I talk to you?
Tonight I'm driving across America
Oh, say, can't you see what I've been through?

I see a Black Man with his hands held high
I see a fatherless son
I see a policeman who wonders why
He keeps his tears locked in his gun

And I see a White Man with his eyes blood red
'cause he's been told what he should feel
And I see too many women cut to shreds
And taking half their lives to heal

Tonight I'm driving across America
Mister, can I talk to you?
Tonight I'm driving across America
Oh, say, can you see what I see, too?

We rise and fall from Sea to Shining Sea
Balancing Freedom and Change
Waiting for a Purple Mountain Majesty
To be our Saviour when it rains

Tonight I'm driving across America
Mister, can I talk to you?
Tonight I'm driving across America
Oh, say, can you see what I see through?

Let's make this songbook SING!!!! Please post other "greatest hits" by TiT.

Cindie

[LC EFA]

I'll start the ball rolling :

Track 01 : "I was a badass back in 'nam"

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon May-29-06 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
12. USN '69-72. Pilot,PBR, Qua Viet River, Quang Tri, Dong Ha.
   
Some longrange recon into Laos attached to Marine SF.

I was foolish enough to go to celestial navigation school. Big mistake.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-19-06 03:10 AM
Response to Original message
5. Today, anything can "happen"
   
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 03:23 AM by TomInTib
I am on the "watch list"

I miss every initial air-flight because the idiots at TSA screw with me, incessantly.

And I am the 2nd-most-decorated enlisted man in the history of the US Navy.
   
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Track 02 : "I'm a Real Badass even today"

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-11-07 01:13 AM
Original message
Hey! Freeper Pencil-Dicks!

Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 01:18 AM by TomInTib
I have seen you stalking me behind the Mommy-safety of your chickenshit monitors.

Yeah, I am a multiple-convicted Felon.

And I have illegal weapons.

And I possess killer reefer (parole violation, pussies).

And I watch you talk about me.

And I piss on your mother's graves.

Cock off, bitches.

For I have no fear of Chickenshit Loonies.

Your Friend,
Tom

on edit:
I am going to post this every day until one of you pencil-dicks has the balls to respond.

Tom

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-11-07 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. **** 'em, Beth...
   
They do not intimidate me in the least.

I have actually considered posting my Home Address to see if the wussies would show up.

I am armed harder than their fondest wet dream.

But I am a really nice guy.

Until it comes to Freeper Pencil-Dicks.

Damn, I am hoping they are picking up on all of this.

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Track 03 : "I know people y'hear"

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-01-06 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. I have a friend who is ex-Special Forces and has always voted
   
Republican. All his life, without fail.

One of the most conservative, righty guys I have ever known.

Also the most dangerous (he was an instructor for my SEAL extraction Team at Coronado, 1969).

We were talking yesterday and he told me that he didn't think he could ever vote Republican again.

He also said he had been thinking about shooting people (I am not using any names, here) and that he didn't care how long it took - if his wife dies before he does, he's got a list. Said he could wait forever.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-11-07 04:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
65. Fire up a Colortini....
   
Holy Crap!

I checked your profile,

Do you know that Tom Snyder was my best friend?

My heart is pounding at one in the morning.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Oct-10-07 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. It's not a crime until you get caught.
   
Besides the fact that everything I own is in my girlfriend's name.

I don't have much truck with "laws".

And any "crimes" that I may have been perceived as committing were victimless.

I am sure I have all kinds of crap that I am not supposed to possess.

As a matter of fact, some of it is in the briefcase at my feet. Same shit I did time for. Just about a thousand less pounds of it.

But I now live in a place where there is no way that local Law Enforcement will screw with me.

The Chief of Police and I are drinking buddies.

Heck, the cops even give me rides home when I am too wasted to walk up the hill. I just call the Station.

They like to take my weapons out to the Marin Sheriff's Dept range and play Rambo. Full auto and all.

Treat them right, they'll treat you right.

I have learned a lot over the years.

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Track 04 : "I was a real badass back in 'nam [extended bovine excrement remix]

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri May-26-06 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. If they are charged with murder, then the entire DoD should be..
   
Edited on Fri May-26-06 04:11 PM by TomInTib
charged as accessories to the fact.

I have been in situations such as this one (Vietnam) and I cannot hold these poor troops solely responsible.

No way do I feel there was any kind of premeditation. This is no My Lai. Violent reaction under combat-related tension is just part of the terror of the moment.

edited due to my utter incapability to spell 'the'.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri May-26-06 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. I said nothing about "giving them a pass", just trying to put it in..
   
context.

Ever been in Close Quarters Combat? I have.

Your body does shit that your mind could never anticipate or plan.

These guys should be drummed out with dishonorable discharge.

I got the Navy Cross for my misdeeds and spent a lot of time hating myself. And I will carry that shit to my grave and down my own particular path to Hell. I deserve every bit of it.

While I am eternally sorry and full of regrets, I have never felt one pang of guilt. That may sound weird, but sheer terror has ways to **** up your mind.


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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-25-06 01:36 AM
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2. I have checked it out, but I think that we old guys have nothing..
   
to bring to the plate.

I do not even know how to talk to them. My metronome plays a different beat.

Back in my time (SEAL Team 3, '69-72) we were playing on 3/4 time.

These rap-head poor boys only understand 119 beats per minute.

I do not know how to communicate, anymore.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-06-06 01:37 AM
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4. "flawed intelligence", my ass
   
This is CYA all the way.

There is NO better intelligence in the ME than that of the Israelis.

This is a direct affront to any of us who have ever been involved in any ops such as these.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit

[Editors Note : Appropriate ending]

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-06-06 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. Forgive me (please)
   
I come from another place (northernmost Vietnam and westward into Laos with SEAL Team 3 attached to the 2nd Marine - long-range recon and extraction - '69-72). Not to mention Panama '89.

Yeah, I am probably talking out of my ass.

I am a life-long student, devotee and practitioner of all matters regarding this sort of action.

Maybe I could use some up-to-date enlightenment from someone actually involved in this sort of ops.

Could you shed some personally connected light on this for me?

I am getting old and would really appreciate some enlightenment on this from someone who has been there and knows a lot more than do I on matters such as this.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-10-06 12:57 PM
Response to Original message
6. I was just north of you in '70.
   
Qua Viet River (PBR).

And I fully agree with you.
   
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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-31-07 12:18 PM
Response to Original message
108. Well put, Brother.
   
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 12:55 PM by TomInTib
SEAL Team 3, here. Extraction Team attached to 3,3 Marine, Quang Tri, '69-'72.

Yeah, I know more than I want to know about shitting one's pants.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-09-07 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Are you kidding?
   
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 09:23 PM by TomInTib
I haven't participated in that ****ing joke since I returned from SE Asia.

I pledge allegiance to me and nothing else.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-09-07 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. I am sticking around because I love the place where I live.
   
But I have a fall-back in Costa Rica should things go to hell here.

And about that fighting for democracy and freedom thing...
I am one of the most decorated enlisted men in US Navy history (69-72) SEAL Team 3, stationed with 3rd Marine, Quang Tri, Laos and southernmost N Vietnam.

As for good food and shopping, I never have to leave my wonderful little town (Tiburon, CA). I don't need anything else.

And I do not have any opinions on university, being a high-school dropout and making it own my own and by my own wits for my entire life.

I do not need this country or its government.

I have me.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu May-26-05 05:28 PM
Response to Original message
58. Qua Viet 68-71
   
PBR (patrol boat- river) pilot.    

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Track 05 : "I've got an armory and know gunz"

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-01-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I have a good many, myself.
   
Like you, mine are in safes, except for one pistol (XD45), one shotgun (Defender 12) and one rifle (Daewoo DR 200).

Just in case of an earthquake.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-01-07 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Really slick.
   
It will spit 'em out as quick as you can pull the trigger. Never jams.

I have a short-burst conversion that I have not installed.

But I could do it myself, if need be.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-01-07 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Well...
   
It is an AR-15 from the receiver down, but is gas piston (more AK47) from there.

But my pistol kicks equal ass.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/new_products/xd45_122005 /

I have the 5" option.

I have had Glocks, Pythons, all kinds of stuff, but this one raises hell.

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Track 06 : "I am a Criminal"

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-10-07 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. **** it, right up front. I am a felon.
   
I did my time(s).

You see, I am a mulitiple-convicted felon.

I just thought that what the world really needed was more reefer.

Let them try and **** with me.

Thank you for your concern, AuntPatsy, but I worry not about those pencil-dicks.

Tom
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[Rebel]

 

If anyone still doesn't know the reason for the DUmping Grounds, the people starting threads here are giving you a damn good example of why it's needed.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

If anyone still doesn't know the reason for the DUmping Grounds, the people starting threads here are giving you a damn good example of why it's needed.

You may need another server before this is over Kev

[Rebel]

If anyone still doesn't know the reason for the DUmping Grounds, the people starting threads here are giving you a damn good example of why it's needed.

You may need another server before this is over Kev

It'll be worth it. 

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

If anyone still doesn't know the reason for the DUmping Grounds, the people starting threads here are giving you a damn good example of why it's needed.

You may need another server before this is over Kev

It'll be worth it. 

We shall name it...The TIT server! All TIT All the time!

[TheSarge]

You know...TiT's claim of being a PBR boat captain and a highly decorated sailor made me wonder if he was trying to claim he is this guy:

http://www.history.navy.mil/bios/williams.htm

Just minus the CMOH.

Williams was the most decorated sailor in the history of the Navy. In addition to the Medal of Honor he received in 1968 for service as a river patrol boat commander in Vietnam, he earned a Navy Cross, two Silver Star Medals, a Legion of Merit with Combat "V," two Navy and Marine Corp Medals, and three Bronze Star Medals.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15899

The only problem with trying to make that claim...is that PO1c Williams is the first cousin of this guy:

http://www.jcs.mil/bios/bio_gainey.html

[delilahmused]

Dazed and Confused...I know Led Zeppelin already used it, but TiT's whole live is plagiarized so I figured it was appropriate.

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During a thread supposedly devoted to asking about the health of his best friend Nina (she's also his business partner) but it's unclear whether she was the one who eventually sabotaged his DU account and posted a bunch of lies...he hand Wiley50 wax nostalgic about the drugs of youth:

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Oct-06-07 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Yep, nothing like it.
   I first smoke opium in Mexico in 1962 (I was twelve years old).

My life was changed.

I didn't smoke pot until three years later, while trying to tamp down a brain gone spikey due to a drowning incident that I managed to get myself into.

Drowning - The Ultimate Gateway Drug

At least, that's my excuse.
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No wonder the guy makes shit up, he's been hallucinating since he was 12.

And of course he used to date Stanley Owsley's niece:

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Oct-06-07 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Oh, no...
   I used to date Stanley Owsley's niece, Karen.

Red hot and rockin' country girl straight outta Miami (pronounced Mi am ah), Oklahoma.

Her creed was pretty much the same as mine.

"Sure, why not?"

God, I am too old to be able to afford to remember shit like that - makes my blood pressure go up.
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Alas...his animal magnetism got the best of him and she was just another in a string of broken hearts TiT evidently left in his wake:

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Oct-06-07 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. So this Owsley chick...
   after I went away to serve my ****ing country, moved out to Leon's place for a while and then she and this Cherokee Amazon hung around with John Lee Hooker for a few years.

We got back together after I came home, but I was CRRAAAZY about that Cherokee chick and it caused a lot of problems.

And we were all three of us with Bad Problems with the Bad Shit, which causes its own set of problems.
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Hey I'm Suffering Too

TiT reveals his best friend is having a mastectomy...
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-04-07 03:05 PM
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My best friend and business partner is under the knife as I type this.

Partial radical mastectomy.

One of the finest, smartest, funniest Women on the Planet.

So, after all the trials and tribulations of the last week (OMC's Stacy), if you have any Positive Mojo Arrows left in your quiver - notch 'em up and fling them in the general direction of the San Francisco Bay. I am certain they will find Nina.

 
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Alas...he may never be able to play guitar again...and just a few short weeks after his best friend got out of the hospital
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-23-07 09:23 PM
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what a difference a day makes (i just got home from the hospital)
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Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 09:40 PM by TomInTib
i just got home from the hospital.

i'll tell you what'll damn sure get one's attention.

and that is going to bed feeling fine and then waking up a few hours later with your right arm absolutely dead from the elbow down.

i was pretty damned scared.

i knew that i had not suffered an actual stroke because my face, gait and voice were normal, unaffected. but i was really concerned that one of my old brain injuries had come home to roost.

then i contacted Tandalayo_Scheisskopf because he is a very knowledgeable guy. he thought it might be TIA, which i had never heard of.

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier ...

so away we went. but only after i showered, washed my hair, shaved, brushed my teeth, dressed, buttoned up my shirt, put on bracelets and watch and tied my shoes. all on my own. i am extremely right-handed and all that just kicked my ass. especially that ****ing watch band. try buckling an alligator strap with your teeth. but i was determined to start out at the maximum control mode that i could muster.

after much ado at marin general, it was determined that my ulnar nerve has crashed due to one of my old traumas.

i will begin neurological therapy on friday morning.

the prognosis is uncertain at this point, but i will probably never play guitar again.

but i am counting my blessings, right now.

and i am enjoying the humor of the situation. with my right hand floppy at the wrist, i am certain that i strongly resembled Cheeta the Chimp while washing my hair and face. and i almost jammed my toothbrush through the back of my skull.

Tom

on edit, sorry for the lack of caps but it is too danged hard to type them.


 
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And from a year before
What a Long Way We Have Come
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-12-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. What a long way we have come.
   I was in the Honolulu airport in 1971, coming home on convalescent leave (shot) from Vietnam.

When the ticket agent told me they did not have a reservation or a seat for me, I was just devastated.

I was so effed up both mentally and physically, the thought of spending the night on an airport bench (I had NO money and the next flight was the following day) was just too much to bear.

All of a sudden, this angel of a man in line behind me said, "It will be all right", and handed me two tickets and told me one was for me and one was for comfort. Said he and his son could wait for the next day. Then he handed me $100.

I will never forget him.

If this was to occur today, the TSA wouldn't let me on the flight.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-12-06 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. That simple, kind act..
   changed my life.

I had been in heavy s**t for over a year at the time and I pretty much resented (hell, hated) every one and everything that got in my way.

After that, it was mostly peace and calm for me even though I spent another 18 months in heavy action.

To this day, I believe that man was the reason I didn't just go crazy. Sometimes I think that he is the reason I am alive.

That may sound weird, but I really feel that way.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-12-06 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. And the funny part is this guy appeared to be a real Nixonian..
   repub with his frat-boy son.

I was Special Forces (SEAL) with long hair died jet black (so as to not stand out at long range, an attempt to blend in) and I looked like a crazy mofo because of constant terror.
He just had a natural compassion that, to this day, still makes makes me teary at the memory of the time we had and what we have lost.
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And (sadly) the death of his very best (and world famous naturally) Tom Snyder
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So my phone rang this morning and they told me that Tom died

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-30-07 12:33 PM
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So my phone rang this morning and they told me that Tom died.
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That's Tom Snyder, not me.

For those of you who didn't have the great pleasure of knowing that man, I want to tell that he was definitely one of a kind.

Until about two weeks ago, we would sit on our own bench on our own deck on our town's (Tiburon, CA) little Main Street and solve all of the world's problems every day. This bench is actually referred to as "Toms' Bench". We would hang out with our dogs (my beautiful Golden Retriever, Seamus, and Tom's wonderful Olde English Sheepdog, Trevor) and make lewd comments about tourists and george bush. Man, he absolutely detested what is going on in our country today.

Tom had been in the entertainment business since he was thirteen years old and decided that being a paperboy was just too much ****ing work (he talked like that, you know). He knew everybody.

And stories. God god a'mighty, that man could tell you stories until you either wet your pants or collapsed a lung laughing.

He was a really big guy, you know. All the way around. As I type this through tears, I have this mirage-like image of him shambling down the sidewalk wearing those crazy pajama pants that he always wore and that beat-up old windbreaker with his name embroidered on the chest (you should've seen that jacket - "You know, Tom, when you get something that works, you better hold on to it."), shoulders kind of hunched up and walking his dog. Saying hello to everyone he knew in that great big ol' voice of his, not giving a damn about any conversation or thought that he might be interrupting.

Because Tom just didn't give a shit. And he would let you know up front.

I just awoke to this bad news and I am going away now. I just had to throw this down for my dear friend.

See you on the other side of the screen, buddy.

Damn.

Just damn.

Tom (Wright, not Snyder)

 
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-30-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Do you remember his John Lennon interview? Well, Tom didn't.
   I saw a thing on cable last year about the influence of drugs on the entertainment biz and one of the segments was that interview.

So I mentioned it to Tom the next day and he told me that he didn't remember even doing it.

Said he had the video and all but that he was so loaded when he did the interview that he couldn't remember doing it.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-30-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I can hear it right now.
   Yeah, I know what you mean.

I am going to walk down the hill, now.

And drape my gallery in blue, for it was his favorite color.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-30-07 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. It's funny you know...
   After Letterman tried to make it happen the second time (and NBC tried to hook Tom up with Rona Barrett) Tom and Letterman never really spoke to one another. David could make that right, tonight.

But Tom talked to Leno almost every day.

I will probably see Jay tomorrow.

And I will let you know what is going on, Raejeanowl.

Tom
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One can't help but be humbled by all his brushes with greatness.

Cindie

[JakeStyle]

Can't have a best of TiT thread without this classic:

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Feb-17-07 12:32 AM
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So I am standing on the sidewalk with a guy from Carlyle Group
   
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Waiting for a a car in front of the Platinum hotel (highly recommended) in Las Vegas this morning.

Older guy comes by and sets his beautiful bag on a pedestal next to me.

No kidding, this bag was cooler than Coach.

Beautiful cotton duck trimmed with incredibly wonderful oiled leather. It was stamped "The Carlyle Group".

I ask him if he was with the Carlyle Group.

He looked down on me - which is not easy - because I am not easily looked down-upon. And said "yeah..." and walked out to the curb.

So I pulled out my fluorescent green highlighter from my case and wrote...

"**** ME"...

on the side of that bag. Those words glowed in the afternoon light.

He threw it over his shoulder and sallied off...not knowing what he was carrying.

I effin nailed that *******.

One for us and all mankind!!!

Tom

31. Wrong is wrong? ... Carlyle is Carllyle...
   
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 02:32 AM by TomInTib
You can not do anything you choose not to do, Richardo.

I do what I want.

And I am the only person on the plabet to hold a Ithaca 12-guage to John Warner's sternum.

You??

I do what I say.

And I mean what I do.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Feb-17-07 05:27 AM
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71. You never saw my post about me and Warner?
   
Unlike the rest of the chickenshits here, I have actually taken up arms and killed a lot of people in "defense" of our country.

A lot of people (mostly Vietnamese and Laotians).

But I once had the pleasure of pointing an Ithaca 12guage pump at Mr Warner's sternum.

And I got away with it.

For he was just SecNav and I was me.

Do not deride that which you are not familiar.

Because it ain't funny.

Ya know?

Even the DUmmies are having a hard time with this one..

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83. Now what have we learned from this thread, class? OK, let's review...
   
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 08:29 AM by Tin Man
1) TomInTib is a high-roller: ...in front of the Platinum hotel (highly recommended) in Las Vegas this morning
2) TomInTib lives in luxury: check out ZIP 94920 on demographics (14th most affluent zip in US)
3) TomInTib is intrepid: I am the only person on the planet to hold a Ithaca 12-guage to John Warner's sternum.
4) TomInTib drives a snappy car: for the record, I drive a Carrera GT
5) TomInTib can be dangerous: I actually thought about killing the ****er...
6) TomInTib is an avenger: So I pulled out my fluorescent green highlighter from my case and wrote... "**** ME"... on the side of that bag.

Beyond that, I'm not sure if I learned anything. Wait... I just thought of one more thing... TomInTib has a very high opinion of himself, that must be shared with the world.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Feb-17-07 02:09 AM
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32. I am not believing this...
   
I don't make shit up.


I did it..

I thought abought doing a lot worse stuff.

Just standing there next to the ****er had me shaking.

I have had a hard week.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Feb-17-07 02:48 AM
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42. I really did it...
   
and I am blown away by the number of people here who wonder if I really did what I really did.

What a bunch of chickenshits.

Jeebus....

Linkage

[delilahmused]

And the parent of the year award goes to...

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-03-07 11:54 PM
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46. "lame parenting mistakes"?
   One of my sons is a professional baseball player and the other travels the planet as a percussionist with Carlos Santana.

Yeah, I pretty much sucked as a parent.

I should have let them suck their thumbs, cleared off all the horizontal surfaces in the house, locked the cabinets and put away the firearms, encouraged them to get that education that would make them prisoners in tall buildings with all the other products of navel-gazing softies.

Yeah, that's it.
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From the same thread...I guess when you're a world class parent you not only know how everyone else should do it, but know about every child-centered industry in your town:

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-03-07 09:37 PM
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30. There is no family day care here.
   And the nannies are usually with a single or a double, those women make the older ones walk.

I blame the parents.
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However, it appears there just MIGHT be 1 or 2 (or 685) babysitters in Tiburon:
http://www.care.com/belvedere_tiburon-p1035-qxZIP%7C94920.html

Of course there are only 452 listings for daycare so he may be on to something with that one:
http://local.sanfrancisco.com/Tiburon/Daycare+--26+Preschools.zq.html

It's an entire thread of parenting experts over there...suddenly they're all proponents of "tough love". Well, at least when it comes to preschoolers walking. So here's the rule: preschoolers being dragged all over town, forced to walk miles at a time: GOOD! Fifteen year olds being expected to keep those same legs closed: BAD!

Cindie

[delilahmused]

Oh my. Just a couple of days before TiT's ulnar nerve crashing...the one that may keep him from ever playing guitar again (good thing he already taught Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, and Eddie Van Halen everything he knows), cops bust into his home and take him to the psych ward for observation. Seems "Beth" (perhaps she's the one logging on to his DU account) feared he would commit suicide. All in all, October 2007 was pretty much a bummer for TiT.

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-21-07 12:20 AM
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Why was my thread locked (Welcome to Guantanamo)?
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Hey, Mods, I thought that this was pretty much timely.

What are we worried about?
Tom



My home life is pretty much ****ed.

So Thursday night I was kicking some lyrics around the room and said something to the effect of "I would rather spend eternity in the cold, cold ground then spend even one day without you".

I went to bed around Midnight and awoke with a start around three o'clock to find four Tiburon Policemen in my room.

Seems as though Beth had called them and said that she thought I was going to kill myself. I, being me, said, "You know, I have honestly never considered that until this very moment".

Big, big mistake.

Heck, I personally know three of the guys.

But, obviously, I don't know shit about Suicide Prevention Preparation.

So away we go to Marin General.

And get this, the officer driving the car was named Ron Law. I made him show me his drivers license just to prove he was telling the truth. A really good guy.

They took me to the Psychiatric Ward of Marin Gen. Having spent quite a sizable chunk of my life is bad situations, I was really cool about it and was joking with the cops and the admitting people.

Another bad move, that. Evidently, it is not acceptable to make suicide jokes in a Psych Ward.

By that point, I was starting to get a little pissed at the whole situation. I didn't need to be there and those people were simply going through the motions, SOP. And I started telling them what bullshit it all was and that they surely had people around who needed attention.

So they turned me over to some dude with a shaved head. A huge guy named R Smith, plainly stated on his two-bit nametag. R (that's what I called him. He told me to address him as "Mister Smith". I told him that I would compromise and call him Cocksucker. For some reason, he didn't see the humor in that.) was accompanied by THREE Security guys. And they were all wearing those creepy blue rubber gloves.

They present The Cup. I asked them what it was for. R said it was for a urine sample. So I said,"Piss in the cup yourself, Cocksucker".

R said he could make things really uncomfortable and difficult for me. I told him that things were already pretty much that way and that I, with my X-Ray vision, could see a supervisor through the two-way mirror.

So R jams the cup in my hands and told me to piss right now.

So I did.

All over the floor and their shoes.

You should've seen them, Nance. These tough guys dancing around and shouting.

They took me to some kind of watch-room, I guess. 12X12 with this horrible mattress, with only a fitted sheet and a thin pillow, on the floor. There were fluorescent lights on overhead. And I ****ing hate fluorescent lights.

They left some forms with me (SOP, again) that said I would be held for a minimum of 72 hours, or more at their discretion.

So I settled in for whatever the duration.

I was awakened by the opening of the door some time later.

It was R and the pissees, again. R asked me what I was doing and I told him I was sleeping. He told me to take these pills that he had.
I said there was no ****ing way I was taking anything that he had.

That's when he said, "You're in Guantanamo now, dude, and we can keep you here forever".

I intend to file a formal complaint tomorrow. That statement is probably not in the SOP Manual.

Later, two Staff people came in to talk with me. One real nice guy and an RN, no uniforms but casual clothes that you might wear to the park.

The Nurse took my blood pressure and the real nice guy asked some real nice questions and said that I could go as soon as a Doctor showed up. The nurse said, "Not until his blood pressure goes down".

I asked her how in the hell was that going to happen in the environment I was in.

So she brought me a couple of Atavan and everything was just like Christmas. My customary three bottles of wine the previous evening had those Atavans in overdrive.

I was home by 10AM. I spent less than six hours there.

And I must add that everyone (except for R Smith and the pissees) involved was very polite.

Also, my hat is off to The Tiburon Police Department for their seamless handling of what could have been (as far as they knew) a real bad situation.

And a double-tip of the cap to Officer Mike Mourgos, who phoned me at home the next day just to make sure that I was OK. You will never in your life encounter a nicer, more considerate person in Law Enforcement (heck, in Life) than Tiburon's own Mike Mourgos.


 
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Cindie

[delilahmused]

Poor TiT...they never let him leave Nam, thus he was unfamiliar with something almost every other soldier could recite in his sleep. Imagine how important he must have been...either that or he came pretty close to being busted.

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DemoTex  (1000+ posts)         Tue Jun-13-06 11:24 PM
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8. Little Chicken Hawks in a CZ .. scared shitless!
   Eh, Tom-in-Tib? These pictures prove nothing. These chicken-hawk mother****ers enjoy the benefit of a "today" DEROS. Know what I mean, Vern?

 
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 TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-13-06 11:32 PM
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9. OK, flyboy, you've got me on this one..
   Maybe my mind has gone feeble. What is DEROS?
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11. DEROS? The most important date in the 'Nam!
   Date Estimated to Return from Overseas.
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 TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jun-15-06 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Well, that explains that...
   I never had one of those.

I was forever ****ed.

Thinking back, I knew that (DEROS). I guess I had discarded that because it just never applied to my sorry ass.

Tom

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[delilahmused]

What a guy...in his spare time when he isn't running an art gallery, loaning illegal weapons to the local police, doing super secret MarineRangerSEAL(Team 3)Recon missions, writing songs, serving time in prison, and raising 2 very successful sons, he's hangin' with cowboys!

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Mar-06-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. Spent much time working horseback? I have...
   and we were laughing our asses off.

Didn't the film win for Direction?

Contrived and bigoted? I think not.

They shoulda just left out the horseback scenes, those guys looked like clowns.

But then, what do I know? I have only spent my entire life working with REAL horsemen.

I will admit, tho, I have never had the pleasure of working sheep.
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Cindie

[delilahmused]

Oh, you just can't make this shit up! Now he's going into politics. Well, he's already got the lying through his teeth part down.

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-24-07 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. It was a brother-in-law deal.
   The wealthiest (per capita) ZIP code in the country and we act like Mayberry.

That's why I am going to run for Town Council.
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Cindie

 

[delilahmused]

TiT was homeschooled?

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-10-07 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. 10th Period?
   Even though I never attended any school, that sure seems like a lot of class periods.

So what counts as a "period"?
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Wow...just wow!

Cindie

[LC EFA]

TominTib Texas Concert


Features

Track 01 : Texas on the 1630 express

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-21-08 02:01 PM
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2. Hell, my family was a clan of ...
   
immigrant CRIMINALS when they arrived in what is now Angelina County, Texas, in 1630.

Most of them probably should have been taken out and shot.

Thank heavens they didn't arrive just last year.

I am with you 100%, H2S.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-05 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. Ummm...
   
You should know that I am from a family that has been in TX since 1630, and I hate what that "man" has done to our state and to our country...

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Response to Reply #40
48. relax
   
awtlaw from TX in northbay CA...I know my way around horses, not like some frat boy from CT.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-05 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. ID Card
   
Pretty much everything that he had seen and done. Yes, very scary. I spend a LOT of time in hub-airports - and see a lot of soldiers coming and going...and it is very hard to see these young (and sometimes not so young) men and women going to that awful, terrible place on our behalf... it is just so damn hard sometimes...especially when their wives and children get to go to the gate to seem them off to whatever the future holds for them - may we never see them on the news.

In the airports, if they have sand on their boots and suitcases, they are coming home - if not, they are headed to a place we do not want to imagine.

Viet Nam Vet from TX who hates Bush.

P.S. They actually make the soldiers in uniform take their boots off going thru airport security. How messed up is THAT!!!? What are they fighting for anyway?

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-17-06 12:49 AM
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90. There is no link....
   
I know them.

Google "Mercedes Baker Whittington" and see what happens.

Try to find out find anything of consequence about any of the Bakers except James A III.

Greatest Janitor Ever.

My family has been in what is now known as Texas since 1630.

I know them

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-11-07 10:21 PM
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12. Thank you. I am going to bookmark this and learn something.
   
And I always watch my back.

Except on a Friday night, two weeks ago.

I was walking home from Servino around one or two in the morning.

Weaving along the sidewalk on Main Street, I encountered a dumpster that was just begging to be peed on.

And I was all too willing to oblige.

Never saw or heard the cop car.

He knew me, but asked for my ID as he had radioed in the public urination call.

My ID has a Texas address.

So he drove me home and helped me down the (102) stairs from my parking deck to my front door.

Banged on the door, cop-like.

My just-awakened girlfriend comes to the door and he asked her if I lived there.

She looked straight at me and said, "For the time being".

And that is when my most recent problems began.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-20-07 07:36 PM
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1. I remember when a friend of mine called me and told me he was going to kill himself.
   
So we drove over to his house and found him surrounded by Houston cops in his front yard, AK47 at his feet and his truck shot full of holes.

I hollered at him from the street and asked him just what the hell did he think he was doing.

He said that he had changed his mind and decided to kill his truck instead of himself.

The cops asked me how I knew what was going on and I told them that we had been in the service together and that I was really worried about him.

They let me go up to him, take his hand and lead him down the driveway like a child.

Then they jumped us both, hog-tied Paul and handcuffed me (for "safety's sake" they would later testify).

Hauled him off to jail.

Paul hanged himself in jail that night.

He did not kill himself.

Vietnam killed him.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-21-07 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. I can still see his face (without even closing my eyes)
   
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 02:20 AM by TomInTib
Looking at me while they were hauling him away.

Looking at me and searching for a little Hope.

All I knew was that I would never see him again.

And I think he knew it.

Paul was a Tunnel Rat, you see.

Then they sent him to Ranger school.

Ballsiest guy I ever knew.

Not brave, just crazy and fearless.

If he had not have died, he probably never would have lived.

Damn, that old Machine just keeps on slashing, gnashing, wasting more of us every day.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-17-07 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. I cannot figure it out.
   
Without going into a lot of detail (which would bring me all manner of grief on DU), I have a whole lot of experience regarding this sort of thing.

This business makes no sense to me at all.

Unless DPW will be the contracted operator under AIGGIG.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-29-07 06:15 PM
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7. All here who have been around nukes have been saying the same thing.
   
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 06:16 PM by TomInTib
I spent some TDA guarding missiles on Naval warships.

And I will attest to “All security forces assigned are authorized to use deadly force to protect the weapons from any threat .”

Shoot first, figure it out later.

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TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-05-07 08:12 PM
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3. I knew some guys that were in that exercise.
   
They were SF stationed on a Destroyer Escort with nuke sims (they were guarding said "nukes"). As they were on the starboard rail having a smoke, a Russian sub surface about 100 yards away.

That ****ing sub had gone completely undetected by all of those warships.

They said the Brass was crapping in their collective pants.

I didn't believe them until I saw the pics later.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-05-07 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Seriously.
   
Heads rolled.

In '72 I was on a DE called the USS Rathburne (since converted to something else) DE1057 (I think), escorting the USS Enterprise in WestPac and pulling the same duty as my friends were. I was on covalescent leave and that is how the Navy let me spend it, instead of going home to patch up.

The Commander was a total asshole named Chang, the first Chinese-born Commander of a US Naval warship.

Same ****ing thing happened except it was not a joint exercise.

And the boat I was on had just come out of drydock in Pearl and had a state-of-the-art rubber sonar dome - the first one ever installed. The boat was the designated pinger of the Carrier Group and totally missed it.

They could've sunk the ****ing Enterprise.

Chang lost his command over that one.

I want to send you a hilarious Chang story tomorrow. PM me a reminder, if you will.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-06-07 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Really?
   
He was a mother****er.

I still have a cap (with scrambled-egg bill) I stole from him and the commissioning pennant from that boat is hanging above my desk. I walked off that stinking ship with it wrapped around my right leg. They knew I had it, but I was SEAL and untouchable.

The cap issue made him crazy.

Did you serve under that rat bastard?

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[Sonnabend]

Bloody HELL

Walter Mitty was a piker next to this jerk.

Delilah....you rule.

[delilahmused]

I keep trying to remember that character John Lovitt did on SNL...used to make up all kinds of stuff...one was that he was married to Morgan Fairchild. TiT's got that guy beat by a mile.

Cindie

[Ralph Wiggum]

I keep trying to remember that character John Lovitt did on SNL...used to make up all kinds of stuff...one was that he was married to Morgan Fairchild. TiT's got that guy beat by a mile.

Cindie

Tommy Flanagan.  Pronounced FLAN-AY-GAN.

[Reggie]

I keep trying to remember that character John Lovitt did on SNL...used to make up all kinds of stuff...one was that he was married to Morgan Fairchild. TiT's got that guy beat by a mile.

Cindie

The character he played was was Tommy Flanagan the Pathological Liar.

Yeaaaaaaaahh, that's the ticket.

[delilahmused]

Perhaps if he'd gone to school...I'm surprised TiT hasn't won a Darwin award:

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sun Apr-06-08 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. "women in thongs" and "William Blake", good enough for me...
   even tho I have no idea who Wm Blake is...

I just know that those are the first names of one of my favorite people.
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Remember folks...these are the people who believe themselves intellectually superior to you. This one in particular claims to be a major player in the intellectual, artsy community of Tiburon. Considering Blake (who is my favorite poet) was almost as well known for his engravings as his poetry you'd think his name would've come up now and then. Considering one of the proverbs of Hell is "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom" and "excess" seems to be a way of life for TiT, I find it amusing he doesn't know one of the most famous poets and illustrators in history.

Cindie

Cindie

[bijou]

10 points to the first person to find him telling us about his involvement with this:

Sewage Spill Near Tiburon

[delilahmused]

TiT, Armchair Military Strategist aka "I know better than boots on the ground or DOD because I was a SEAL, dammit!"

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jun-22-06 11:25 PM
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2. I am just blown away by this whole thing.
   I have experienced a lot of combat.

I cannot understand how this relatively green bunch of guys was simply left to themselves in a nominally defensible situation.

Where were the non-coms?

This just pisses me off.

Heads deserve to roll on this one.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jun-22-06 11:42 PM
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5. No, they were simply abandoned.
   They were backed up to a confluence of irrigation canals and the other two Hummers went cowboying off after a few decoys.

They never had a chance due to their lack of experience.

This was a huge ****up.

Two pfc's and two spec's. They tried to shoot it out with the 'bad guys' rather than just gunning the Hummer through the attackers with their .50 blazing.

You simply must have an experienced guy on the scene to make those split-second, life-or-death decisions.

These poor souls just stopped to think (you cannot 'stop' and think in that situation or you are toast) and they made a fatal decision.

There should (and better) be Hell to pay.

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Cindie

[Taxman]

10 points to the first person to find him telling us about his involvement with this:

Sewage Spill Near Tiburon

I can do that without an article...he just talked to someone and the resulting BS was the cause of the spill. 

[delilahmused]

Not your average metrosexual...gun expert, rancher, hero-at-large

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To be fair, his advice is pretty good (with the exception of the sawing off the barrel part)...my home defense weapon of choice is a 20 gauge shotgun loaded with buckshot...pretty much just point and shoot. He's just such an expert on everything and seems to spend an inordinate amount of his DU life giving advice or explaining why he knows so damn much.

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 07:29 PM
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19. Get a 410 shotgun and have a gunsmith saw off the barrel.
   That way it will be lightweight, easy to handle and have minimum recoil.

You do not have to be a very good shot to hit a large dog at close range.

And load it with heavy birdshot, #4 or #6. Maybe you won't actually kill them, but you damn sure will make an impression on them.

And, by all means, let the dogs' owner and the local constabulary know what your plans are.

And practice, practice, practice.

Good luck.

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. Not if barrel length exceeds 18".
   I have several versions of Defender and one has an 18.5" barrel. This is an over-the-counter weapon (Winchester Defender 1300).
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Problem is, she is dealing with a Rott and a Pit.
   Snake shot will just piss them off.

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 08:18 PM
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37. I don't think that will work in this case.
   Having been raised on a ranch, I have to agree with your tactics. Rare is the case when I have had to resort to killing an animal to protect myself.

But it appears as though she is really scared and intimidated by these dogs (and maybe their owner).

Those two factors can cause a lot of problems in her situation.

But never try a stick and a loud voice on a crazy-ass 500lb. Russian Boar that can outrun your horse.

Or a worked-up Pit.


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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 09:57 PM
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54. Don't you dare take any chances.
   I will fly out there and shoot them (and their jerk owner, as well) myself, if need be. And I love Rotts and Pits, it is the owners who are responsible for their behavior.

This has really been bothering me since I first read your original post (as you can probably tell by my numerous posts on this thread).

You are far too small and intimidated by this situation to deal with it without mechanical advantage.

Please take care and pay attention to your environment.

Tom
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 10:38 PM
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58. No pistols... do not even try it.
   I hope you read my posts on short-barreled light-gauge shotguns. Learn to fire from the hip, free-style. That way the recoil won't affect you as much.

Leave the sidearms (pistols) alone, you will probably shoot yourself in the foot.

If you do purchase a firearm (and I am so sorry that your situation has come to that), and the law allows, just go out on your property and fire a few rounds into the ground (or some other inanimate object) a couple of times a day.

I guarantee you that will get your a**hole neighbor's attention.

Please let me know how this wraps out.

Tom
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 07:54 PM
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31. Winchester Defender 1300, 20ga, short barrel (18.5"), pistol grip.
   And learn to shoot from the hip.

No more problem.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jul-21-07 08:21 PM
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38. Pepper spray on a Rottweiler? Have you ever tried that?
   That crap can get you killed.

And the Sheriff won't do you much good when they are chewing on your face.

I have been in situations very much like this one, growing up on a ranch.
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Guess we know why he didn't go to school...he was spending his time out on the open prairie shooting wild pit bulls.

Cindie