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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5665599JMDEM (982 posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:22 PM
Original message
I've said it before, will say it again -- Why are Republicans helping Hillary?
Advertisements [?]All of these "Obama is unelectable in the GE" arguments can be shown to be pure crap because it is obvious who the Republicans want to face -- Hillary.
I mean, how much more evidence do you need???
Rush Limbaugh's efforts to get Hillary elected.
Scaifie amd Murdoch and other right-wing moguls pushing for Hillary.
Repubican attack ads against Obama and none against Hillary.
Fox news being (relatively) kind to Hillary and ripping Obama to shreds.
I mean, how much evidence do you need???
Remember -- this is a LONG TIME Republican ploy, going way back. Nixon's CREEP was hugely successful in sabotaging Muskie's campaign in 1972, making the much weaker McGovern the Democratic nominee.
Wake up people! If the Republicans like a Dem, it isn't to get that Dem elected. It's to get a Republican elected!
wienerdoggie (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. Hillary people don't want to face this ugly truth. They are in denial
that the GOP WANTS to face her. They think she's so magically tough and skillful, that once she somehow shakes Obama, the GOP will be child's play. ****ing delusional.
No, we think she'll destroy the democratic party in trying to win the nomination, to a point, you'll never have a dem president for the next several decades,
bigtree (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. the GOP may THINK they want to face her
but who is really listening to the pack of buffoons who run that party anyway??
Karl Rove. Still pulling strings...
wienerdoggie (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Yeah, she's so almighty powerful of a candidate, so skillful, so tough, so
wily, so UBER-competent, that she's effectively losing the nomination to a "newbie" black guy with a funny name. But, watch out, GOP! She's coming for you next!! If the superdelegates decide to snatch Obama's nomination away from him because he's "unelectable" (read: black), that is.
See, that destroy the dem party thing? Already working.
bigtree (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
27. do you make any argument without exploiting the issue of race?
Do you realize that there are actually black voters who have rejected Obama at the polls and don't view him as experienced as Hillary Clinton? There are some, you know. Are they racist too for wanting Hillary Clinton to defeat him? Go ahead and tell me how a black voter calling for Obama to step aside and allow Clinton to be president would be racist.
Experience arguments are the heart and soul of presidential campaigns. That argument wasn't just invented for Obama. Countless candidates for the office have had to run that gauntlet of their opponent's claims of greater experience. You need to stop whining about bias and deal with the issue of your candidate's relative inexperience to Hillary Clinton without resorting to race-baiting and smears of anyone who dares question your icon.
**** YOU YOU RACIST ****!!!!
wienerdoggie (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. The code word "electable" is all about race, at this point. The Clinton campaign
is trying VERY hard today to make that argument to the media and the SD's, using exit poll data. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous. I'm not "whining" about bias. I'm telling you that the SD's are not going to deny Obama the nomination based on "experience". Because compared to McCain, Hillary has very little. That's not an argument when it comes to SD's deciding their nominee. And the SD's WILL ultimately decide the nominee--it's just a matter of whether they decide to overturn the pledged-delegate lead Obama will have, for some sort of "electability" rationale, or not.
I see whole-sale destruction of the dem party, Denver, and parts of the Rocky Mountains this fall.
dbonds (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:31 PM
Response to Original message
3. While I do think they want to run against Hillary, it is a bigger reason...
She is owned by the same people that own Bushco and McCain. She will be a nicer face on the same big business policies and continue to let them rape our country. But she does give McCain a better chance of wining, as she will bring out all the Hillary haters to vote against her. But with Hillary vs Mccain, the owners win either way.
Riots, cars on fire, Teargas...
bigtree (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
4. are they helping, or do they just think they are? Why do you give them any credence at all??
bigtree (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. what about crossovers earlier on for Obama?
I don't think the buffoons who run things over there know what end to tug on to manipulate this race to their advantage, much less some individual republican crossover voters.
just too stupid to destroy the dem party...keep thinking that, lousy freeper troll. [alert alert alert]
thecatburgler 
(1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. And you really give them too little.
They have the brains and ability to OWN THIS ****ING COUNTRY!!
now remember, cat molester uses the NAZI CC sign as her avitar...
bigtree (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-24-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. seig heil!!
One wonders if bigtree understands what the avitar means...
frickaline (34 posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
6. because of sexism, they dont think she stands a chance against McCain
I mean what republican wouldn't expect a man to beat a woman in a race to be head of the military?
Oh, I don't know. I think hill is a pretty big dick.
invictus (341 posts) Thu Apr-24-08 12:46 PM
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16. The Republicans are helping Hillary because ...
1) Obama is the stronger candidate.
2) Hillary is doing the Republicans' dirty work by attacking Obama.
3) Having Hillary as the Democratic candidate would unite the entire Republican Party behind McCain, whereas Obama has much cross-party appeal.
4) Because Hillary, through her voting record, her neo-con rhetoric, and her husband's conservative legacy as president is no different than a Republican whereas Obama is a real threat to the Republican agenda.
teh JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! own hillery.
