did the Thelma primitive get screwed?

[franksolich]

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Oh my.

A primitive I remember from the long-ago (circa three years ago) past; I'm not sure if the Thelma primitive's the one who tried to "cast spells" on me--she's into witchery stuff--compelling me to sprinkle the screen of the monitor with Holy Water so as to ward them off.

An unintended consequence being that I had a clean screen.

Again, I'm not sure if that was the Thelma primitive, but I think it was.

VelmaD  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-01-07 04:38 PM
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did I get screwed?
   
So, I take my car into the shop yesterday because it started making an intermittent, high whistling noise...on top of the other knock I was hoping to ignore til I could afford a new car but that fell through so I was looking to get the old one fixed. (long story)

Anyway, I get them to do an engine diagnostic and tell them about the whistling noise. They do the diagnositc. Find an oil leak and oil all over my spark plug. We replace plugs, plug wires, the hole where the leak was coming from. They test drive it...figure out the whistling noise. The fan that cools the motor isn't switching on. I hemmorhage more cash to fix that.

And then today I go to pick it up and they tell me (in BIG letters) that the original knock is coming from needing new rod and crank bearings. That they don't do that bit of work and NOT TO DRIVE IT ouit of town until I get the bearings replaced.

So...I'm out about $500 bucks. The original noise I went in for (the knock) is NOT fixed. And I am LIVID because if they had told me about the rod and crank bearing thing FROM THE BEGINNING I wouldn't have had ANY of the other work done. I could have used that $500 bucks as a down payment on a newer car.

The thing I need to know...should they have discovered the rod bearing thing from the engine diagnostic? Because if they did...they didn't bother to tell me about it before I agreed to any of the other work.

Help

nedbal  (656 posts) Fri Apr-06-07 07:34 PM
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1. hard to fight these type of things... they claim there was a problem with...the parts they replaced and you gave the ok (not knowing any better and relying on them)

the question to be asked at each stage could have been (hindsight is 20/20) is this problem causing the sound and will replacing this cure the sound.

the only non related to a intermittent, high whistling noise is the part about "Find an oil leak and oil all over my spark plug. We replace plugs, plug wires, the hole where the leak was coming from. "

but that would have possibly caused the original knock!

it could have been the plugs and wires part for the knock.

on this ONE item on my car I would have fixed the external leak and cleaned off the plug and wires, I'd guess they got you $100-200 for the plugs and wires sub-part.

hey one of my repair stories is I didn't want to deal with it in 10 deg snow weather outside so $800 and 3 weeks later I track the original problem down to a $30 position sensor I then replaced myself, then I go back to them, remind em how much I paid , show the cracked defective part and they claim the engine bearings cracked it and will in time crack it again, it was good for another 4 years till the new one failed in a different failure mode.

benEzra  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-27-07 12:08 PM
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2. Rod or crank bearing knocks...
   
How old is the car, and what make/model? How loud is the knock with the hood closed?

If it's an older vehicle, I'd just change the oil regularly and drive it gently for as long as it will hold out. Rod/crank bearing knocks result when the bearing is worn a little, so that one part can rattle inside the other a little when the engine is running.

It's always a judgement call on whether it's a near-term failure risk or not. Personally, if you don't drive the car hard, I wouldn't expect it to fail suddenly. Just keep a very good check on the oil level, and use high-quality oil.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=310x729

Oh my.

A primitive I remember from the long-ago (circa three years ago) past; I'm not sure if the Thelma primitive's the one who tried to "cast spells" on me--she's into witchery stuff--compelling me to sprinkle the screen of the monitor with Holy Water so as to ward them off.

An unintended consequence being that I had a clean screen.

Again, I'm not sure if that was the Thelma primitive, but I think it was.

VelmaD  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-01-07 04:38 PM
Original message

did I get screwed?
   
So, I take my car into the shop yesterday because it started making an intermittent, high whistling noise...on top of the other knock I was hoping to ignore til I could afford a new car but that fell through so I was looking to get the old one fixed. (long story)

Anyway, I get them to do an engine diagnostic and tell them about the whistling noise. They do the diagnositc. Find an oil leak and oil all over my spark plug. We replace plugs, plug wires, the hole where the leak was coming from. They test drive it...figure out the whistling noise. The fan that cools the motor isn't switching on. I hemmorhage more cash to fix that.

And then today I go to pick it up and they tell me (in BIG letters) that the original knock is coming from needing new rod and crank bearings. That they don't do that bit of work and NOT TO DRIVE IT ouit of town until I get the bearings replaced.

So...I'm out about $500 bucks. The original noise I went in for (the knock) is NOT fixed. And I am LIVID because if they had told me about the rod and crank bearing thing FROM THE BEGINNING I wouldn't have had ANY of the other work done. I could have used that $500 bucks as a down payment on a newer car.

The thing I need to know...should they have discovered the rod bearing thing from the engine diagnostic? Because if they did...they didn't bother to tell me about it before I agreed to any of the other work.

Help

nedbal  (656 posts) Fri Apr-06-07 07:34 PM
Response to Original message

1. hard to fight these type of things... they claim there was a problem with...the parts they replaced and you gave the ok (not knowing any better and relying on them)

the question to be asked at each stage could have been (hindsight is 20/20) is this problem causing the sound and will replacing this cure the sound.

the only non related to a intermittent, high whistling noise is the part about "Find an oil leak and oil all over my spark plug. We replace plugs, plug wires, the hole where the leak was coming from. "

but that would have possibly caused the original knock!

it could have been the plugs and wires part for the knock.

on this ONE item on my car I would have fixed the external leak and cleaned off the plug and wires, I'd guess they got you $100-200 for the plugs and wires sub-part.

hey one of my repair stories is I didn't want to deal with it in 10 deg snow weather outside so $800 and 3 weeks later I track the original problem down to a $30 position sensor I then replaced myself, then I go back to them, remind em how much I paid , show the cracked defective part and they claim the engine bearings cracked it and will in time crack it again, it was good for another 4 years till the new one failed in a different failure mode.

benEzra  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-27-07 12:08 PM
Response to Original message

2. Rod or crank bearing knocks...
   
How old is the car, and what make/model? How loud is the knock with the hood closed?

If it's an older vehicle, I'd just change the oil regularly and drive it gently for as long as it will hold out. Rod/crank bearing knocks result when the bearing is worn a little, so that one part can rattle inside the other a little when the engine is running.

It's always a judgement call on whether it's a near-term failure risk or not. Personally, if you don't drive the car hard, I wouldn't expect it to fail suddenly. Just keep a very good check on the oil level, and use high-quality oil.

I suspect that she probably owns an older car and didn't change the oil and possibly ran it very low on oil.In other words Frank...She screwed herself cars don't get rod knocks out of the clear blue sky.

[Chris_]

^True, unless the vehicle has a quarter million miles on it, it is unlikely to have bearing failure without poor maintenance.  Since the OP mentions having an oil leak repaired, I would surmise that she ran it out of oil at some point, and that will do it every time....

doc

[Randy]

They didn't do all that work without her approval.

[Carl]

Anyway, I get them to do an engine diagnostic and tell them about the whistling noise. They do the diagnositc. Find an oil leak and oil all over my spark plug. We replace plugs, plug wires, the hole where the leak was coming from. They test drive it...figure out the whistling noise. The fan that cools the motor isn't switching on.

Very little here makes much sense.

I am guessing that the valve cover was leaking but hard to say,can`t imagine how the fan switch and lack of the fan turning would make a whistling noise unless somehow it was overheating and blowing off steam and coolant.

For anyone here that doesn`t already know it......If the engine is making a knocking sound of any kind DON`T drive or run it,period.

More then likely if it is knocking the horse is out of the barn and rolling in new bearings will not help,the crank journals will probably have to be turned.
Short of a failure of the oil pump the main thing that causes this is lack of maintenance as has been stated by others here.