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If this is their spin, they're doomed
« on: October 17, 2012, 07:47:00 AM »
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31. His response was carefully crafted

He didn't emphatically say it was terrorism, because they probably weren't absolutely sure it was at the time. So the response was designed to mention terrorism because they were reasonably sure it was, without pointing fingers at anyone which would have been a foreign policy flop had it turned out later that it wasn't.
 
It was absolutely the best response that could have been made at that point in time. Anyone who wants to make political bones out of it is an asshole, IMO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021562758

Dear Leader and his flunkies were saying the attack was the result of a Youtube video.  Even the Egyptian Embassy pre-apologized for the video.  UN Ambassador Susan Rice repeatedly made statements claiming the attack was a result of the video.  The list goes on and on.

So why press so hard to claim it was a video that caused the attack if Dear Leader thought that it was possibly an "act of terror?"

As it stands, it was a foreign policy flop because it turned out to have nothing to do with the Youtube video, which is exactly where they pointed the fingers.

They're screwed.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 07:48:40 AM »
Of course.

And there's next Monday, to get even more screwed.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 07:53:27 AM »
Feel free to explain the careful crafting of the denials of repeated requests for additional security from BEFORE the attack.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 08:08:30 AM »
Feel free to explain the careful crafting of the denials of repeated requests for additional security from BEFORE the attack.

Or what the hell a credentialed US Ambassador was doing in a rental house with bars on the windows (laughingly called an "embassy/consulate), after traveling to a friggin' terrorist hotbed in an unarmored vehicle and without any kind of security detail, on THE ****IN' ANNIVERSARY OF THE *******ED SEPTEMBER 11TH ATTACKS, OF ALL *******ED DAYS?!?!?!?!

Seriously!  Who the **** thought this was a GOOD ****ING IDEA?!?!  :banghead:
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 08:10:19 AM »
Seriously!  Who the **** thought this was a GOOD ****ING IDEA?!?!  :banghead:

The voters on election day won't.

Too bad for the primitives.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 08:16:39 AM »
Seriously!  Who the **** thought this was a GOOD ****ING IDEA?!?!  :banghead:

I'm guessing it wasn't a conservative or a moderate.

What's amazing is that when Amb. Stevens was killed those responsible had such an immediacy of consciousness of guilt that they, without hesitation, seized upon a cover story.

If such consciousness of guilt was so instant and so strong why did they not take these same thoughts and feelings into account BEFORE the attack? Have they so absolutely deadened their sense of danger with fantasies of the "brotherhood of all personkind" that they not only ignore the more than 2 dozen warnings but their own instincts?

For an encore I suggest these "decision-makers" take a stroll through South-Central LA wearing Cardigan sweaters, nice slacks and penny loafers.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 08:20:36 AM »
Carefully crafted all right. To reflect their own bias. All it showed is that in the absence of information they, at best, reflected extreme liberal bias of the ole 'Muslims are mad at us for hurting their feelings' line and at worst tried to foist this lie on the public purposefully to divert away from the failures to protect our ambassador and the myth that the Arab spring was some glowing success towards a civilized Arab world. Either way thy are frauds either deliberately or because of their own du like fanaticism

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 09:02:09 AM »
Yep, they're actually going to hope this flies.  Here's another example.

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2) I would like to know who crafted that speech because it is a masterpiece.

I am not being sarcastic. If you read that speech closely, you will realize that it is so constructed that whether the attacks turned out to be spontaneously motivated by the film or whether they turned out to be a calculated terrorist attack, retroactively that speech will prove that Obama was right.
 
Because early in the speech, Obama asserts that while they deplore the denigration of anyone's faith there is categorically no excuse for "senseless violence." Then, later in the speech, he links the Benghazi attack to September 11 and says, "No acts of terror will weaken our resolve," etc. He does not explicitly say "the Benghazi attack was an act of terror;" but it is so strongly implied that virtually anyone, looking back after the fact, will agree that this is what he meant.  He also does not explicitly say that the attacks were motivated by outrage over the film. But, had it turned out that they were, the speech implies that strongly enough that he's covered there too.
 
The one thing that is absolutely clear is that it is always referred to as an "attack" and the people who carried it out are always referred to as "attackers"--never as 'protestors.'
 
This tells me that at the time that speech was written, nobody was entirely sure what the story was--but it also tells me that there was a strong suspicion that this was not going to turn out to be a spontaneous event. It also tells me he's got people on his team who are really good at what they do, which oddly enough I find very reassuring.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021561826

I've noted this primitive hasn't been posting much of late. S/he's never been very smart (in fact, s/he's extremely stupid), a trait s/he shares with liberals in general, but this is hoping against hope.

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He also does not explicitly say that the attacks were motivated by outrage over the film.

Ah, but his flunkies at the Egyptian Embassy, the UN Ambassador, Hillary Clinton, and others did on behalf of his administration, which is the same as him saying it personally.  They went out of their way to say it was NOT a terrorist attack.  There's no escaping that.

No doubt Dear Leader will try and spin this, but his act of incompetence got 4 Americans killed, and then he tried to blame it on a video.  Is there any doubt that if the video excuse had worked, that the fact that this was a terrorist attack would have ever been mentioned?  They were forced to finally admit it was a terrorist attack, it wasn't because that's what they wanted the public to believe.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 09:08:40 AM »
So, in other words, DUmbasses: you applaud gaming the politics of an event that got people needlessly killed despite over 2 dozen warnings the attack was coming.

To hell with people, freedom of speech, human lives, etc. Obama must be re-elected.

After all, you have to break a few eggs to enjoy a shit-filled omelet.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 09:31:37 AM »
I guarantee you -- guarantee -- that if someone here has the ability to search Skin's island regarding what the primitives were saying after the attack, you'll find them saying it was caused by the Youtube video and it was NOT an act of terrorism.  And the reason they were saying it is because that's what Dear Leader was telling them to believe.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 09:34:59 AM »
But wait, Dear Leader was PISSED......................................after the fact.

This seems to have flown right over the heads of the MSM, DUmp, and O-pologists everywhere.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2012, 09:59:43 AM »
There was no doubt that the attack in Libya was well thought out and executed attack on a day for psychological effect. most people call that terrorism.

1. The ambassador sent out an SOS that was heard by at least 11 different agencies of the regime.
2. We had a strike team located in Sicily that could have been to the safe house in two hours and stopped the attack at the safe house.
3. Somebody stopped our response to the attack that was SOP.
4. Obama lied, had his SecState lie, had  the UN ambassador lie, Obama then lied again , and again and again, and lied at the UN.

Those are the facts in a nutshell. The question is why the full court press to hide the fact that it was an act of terrorism most likely carried out by AlQueda? I get the overall nothing bad can happen to dear leader but I think there is a very bad reason this went into hyper drive. beyond just carring an inept president's foreign policy and reactions.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2012, 10:04:13 AM »
I guarantee you -- guarantee -- that if someone here has the ability to search Skin's island regarding what the primitives were saying after the attack, you'll find them saying it was caused by the Youtube video and it was NOT an act of terrorism.  And the reason they were saying it is because that's what Dear Leader was telling them to believe.

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New picture emerging of "terrorist attack" in Benghazi
Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:21am BST

The U.S. Consulate in Benghazi apparently was not troubled at first by a smattering of protesters on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks last week, but that changed abruptly at 9:35 p.m. when it sent a message that the building was under heavy assault, U.S. government sources said.

New information emerging a week after attackers launched rocket-propelled grenades and mortars and killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, suggests that the protests at the outset were so small and unthreatening as to attract little notice.

While many questions remain, the latest accounts differ from the initial information provided by the Obama administration, which had suggested that protests in front of the consulate over an anti-Islamic film had played a major role in precipitating the subsequent violent attack.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/20/uk-usa-libya-consulate-idUKBRE88I1IS20120920

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/20/uk-usa-libya-consulate-idUKBRE88I1IS20120920


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1. The terrorists saw the opening with the anti-Islam film protests and TOOK it.

They ginned up the violence to do exactly what the film-maker and many RW extremists here want - a prolonged, violent confrontation with the Muslim world - coincides with what Bin Laden wanted, too.

RW extremists are the minority in all these countries want to drag the rest of the world into waging the battles and genocides THEY envision - including the crazies in this country, like those who made that film and publicly post disgusting, incendiary posts on Facebook and YouTube.

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5. "Terrorists"? I smell a "loyal Gadhafi-ies" militia... OK, pretty much the same thing.

And I know I'm not alone in my suspicions.

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3. Not Good...

The President's Administration, and especially Susan Rice were adamant about the attacks being due solely to the video...

Now they have to back-track...

Awful! Romney is a complete buffoon, and keeps giving us the gift of GAFFES that keep on giving - and we can't seem to put him away..... Very annoying and scary!!!

 

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4. Yep.

I've been saying this from the first time I saw Susan Rice on Sun. adamantly insisting that this was a spontaneous attack, and not a pre-planned attack. I was shaking my head thinking does she honestly think that the vast majority of americans, or the world for that matter, believe that?
I truly hope this doesn't bite the Admin. in the ass too hard.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2012, 11:12:28 AM »
Some unknown person fires some type of a gun at an Obama campaign center and it's terrorism, but Muslims attack our embassy and it's just Muslims, being Muslims, but not a terrorist attack.  That is how the DUmmies think, isn't it?

In reality, it doesn't matter whether there was a riot about some video or not, Muslims attacked a US embassy, how can that be called anything but an act of terrorism? The only thing I see that matters is finding those responsible and bringing them to justice. Preferably a slow painful death, but quick loud explosions would work.

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2012, 01:07:33 PM »
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Awful! Romney is a complete buffoon, and keeps giving us the gift of GAFFES that keep on giving - and we can't seem to put him away..... Very annoying and scary!!!  

Hint:  He is not a buffoon, they are not gaffes and your POS Lightbringer is lying through his pleasant baritone.

That help?

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He does not explicitly say "the Benghazi attack was an act of terror;" but it is so strongly implied that virtually anyone, looking back after the fact, will agree that this is what he meant.

Oh, words have specific meaning and consequences?  Guess it depends on if it was terror terror,

....or not.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 01:54:56 PM »
Where are the accusations of LIHOP MIHOP?
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2012, 04:50:11 PM »
No one has more contempt for the muslim and the Hildebeast than I, but I fail to see any political significance in the Libya tragedy.

The argument about "planned terrorism vs. nuts reacting to the Youtube clip" is just splitting hairs and is just a distraction from our catastrophic unemployment rate, our exploding deficits, our economy-destroying energy policy, and the risk of a socialist Supreme Court for the next thirty years.

As long as we have people on muzzie soil, the savages can isolate and kill a small number of them at any time, regardless of security precautions and regardless of who is in charge.

All the time spent on this is a gift to the jug-eared Kenyan.


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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2012, 05:07:55 PM »
Seriously!  Who the **** thought this was a GOOD ****ING IDEA?!?!  :banghead:

Even though I'm not the tin-foil wearing type - the theory that the ambassador was 'kidnap bait', so that The Great & Powerful '0' could swoop in and secure his safe release on the eve of the election is at least somewhat compelling, in that it creates a plausible scenario in which the security lapses do have a potential upside for the Obama administration.

Other than that, I got nuttin'.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2012, 05:08:32 PM »
Hint:  He is not a buffoon, they are not gaffes and your POS Lightbringer is lying through his pleasant baritone.

That help?

Oh, words have specific meaning and consequences?  Guess it depends on if it was terror terror,

....or not.

Words don't have specific meanings to dems.

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2012, 05:29:22 PM »
Some unknown person fires some type of a gun at an Obama campaign center and it's terrorism, but Muslims attack our embassy and it's just Muslims, being Muslims, but not a terrorist attack.  That is how the DUmmies think, isn't it?

In reality, it doesn't matter whether there was a riot about some video or not, Muslims attacked a US embassy, how can that be called anything but an act of terrorism? The only thing I see that matters is finding those responsible and bringing them to justice. Preferably a slow painful death, but quick loud explosions would work.

Until we get serious about bein' attacked, this shit is gonna keep happenin'! You kill 4 of us, we kill 400 of you! Until we do that we might as well close up our embassies so to not put our people in danger.

Same goes for Afghanistan! I'm so sick and tired of wars or military actions where we just sit on our hands when we have the means to take control, and overwhelm our enemies.

Being politically correct is destroying the finest country to ever inhabit the planet!

No one has more contempt for the muslim and the Hildebeast than I, but I fail to see any political significance in the Libya tragedy.

The argument about "planned terrorism vs. nuts reacting to the Youtube clip" is just splitting hairs and is just a distraction from our catastrophic unemployment rate, our exploding deficits, our economy-destroying energy policy, and the risk of a socialist Supreme Court for the next thirty years.

As long as we have people on muzzie soil, the savages can isolate and kill a small number of them at any time, regardless of security precautions and regardless of who is in charge.

All the time spent on this is a gift to the jug-eared Kenyan.

I dunno. It sure as hell shows how inept the current regime is on foreign policy.
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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 08:43:11 PM »
I dunno. It sure as hell shows how inept the current regime is on foreign policy.

I have to agree.  It shows a pattern of both domestic and foreign incompetence; a double whammy.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2012, 04:19:46 AM »
Until we get serious about bein' attacked, this shit is gonna keep happenin'! You kill 4 of us, we kill 400 of you! Until we do that we might as well close up our embassies so to not put our people in danger.

I'm all for "planting mushrooms" in the Mideast.  President Romney would have to do that once.

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Re: If this is their spin, they're doomed
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2012, 08:08:32 AM »
I'm all for "planting mushrooms" in the Mideast.  President Romney would have to do that once.

(Anyone got the 'nuclear finger' pic?)

You mean this one?

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