gigantic primitive suggests diet

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=337x4383

Oh my.

badgerpup  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 12:35 AM
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Anybody tried this? Would like some advice before shelling out $$$...
 
Been struggling with weight all me life...now in my early 50's I'm 'blessed' with arthritis in my knees so badly (they were bone-to-bone 4 years ago...what they look like now, I dare not think  ) that I'm dependent upon pain medication.

Doctor is aware, I've got a pain contract with him, but the bottom line is I'm looking at (and longing for) total knee replacements because I'M TIRED OF HURTING all the time.

Figure if I can get some of the weight off it will A). bring my pain level down to the point where it's 'background noise' (2-3 on the 1-10 scale...as opposed to what's coming to be a pretty steady 6-7) and B). it will facilitate my recovery after the surgery.

I heal quickly but even so, at 50-something one doesn't heal as quickly as one did in one's 20's.

So much for background...what I'm curious about is the Six Week Body Makeover...and YES, I know it's gonna take waaaay more than 6 weeks for me to get from Point A to where I want to be.

Did the little 'test', came up 'endomorph'. Has anyone here tried this?

Is it workable...as in "Can you make a viable lifestyle of it?", and "Does it actually work?"

I've Had Enough...and would sorta like to be able to work with my body and metabolism instead of against it.

I'm just so tired of FAIL, ya know?

First up at bat, the primitive once known as the droopy drawers primitive:

Tobin S.  (341 posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 09:07 AM
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1. It looks pretty shady, badgerpup

Here's a review of the plan from a web site that analyzes diets and reports the findings.

http://www.weknowdiets.com/ThesixWeekBodyMakeover.html?...

I know something that really works and I've lost 92 pounds on it ----> www.mpsweightloss.com They only have one location and it's here in Ohio. But everything can be conducted over the phone and through e-mail and snail mail for people who live far away. If you really follow the plan and stick with it you will lose the weight you want to lose. I've been able to do it without really exercising a whole lot. People who can't exercise at all have lost weight on this program.

It is pricey. The shortest program you can sign up for is 19 weeks. You can pay up front $494 or by the week at $28. I think you pay an extra $50 total to finance it. You can get one free consultation before you sign up.

I have seen people fail on this program, but it's not because of the program. It's because they are not motivated enough to change the way they eat. It's not difficult if you go in with a positive attitude and an open mind.

And then the now-famous lemonade-making gigantic primitive:

Systematic Chaos  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 01:31 PM
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2. I recommend this diet to everyone because it works.

All you have to do is stick to it, and the food does the work. I don't know if you're familiar with the name, but the process is known as "The McDougall Plan".

I have been on the plan twice in the past, but both times I made two fatal mistakes.

Firstly, I allowed myself to indulge in way too much junk food just because it had a "vegan" label on it. I also used a lot of fake meat products made from soy. The problem with these is that the methods used to process them and give them their meaty texture make them just as toxic as actual meat! Finally, this diet did not fail me, rather, I failed the diet. Severe depression can drive a person to stop caring about a lot of things, including what they eat.

I'm going to give you a link to the site's home page, as well as a link to my personal journal in the McDougall forums. I encourage you to read and study this site at length to decide if a plant-based diet is for you. Not only do I find it to be delicious and satisfying, but my wife who 10 years ago pretty much ate a large bag of Cheetos and a container of fried chicken a day loves eating this way too. In just three weeks on the plan I've lost 10 lbs. and my wife has come down 6. My 10 lbs. is especially nice because at 6'3" and in the high 400s it's still very hard for me to move around for more than a couple minutes at a time.

Oh, and before I forget, Dr. McDougall has at least one good article on his diet vs. high dairy consumption (remember how milk is supposed to build bones?) on osteoporosis. What you read will likely amaze you.

Here's the main site: http://drmcdougall.com /

Here's the link to my private journal: http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11960

One last thing -- be sure to watch some of the Star McDougaller videos or read the written testimonials.

To any die hard meat eaters whom I may have offended by posting the above information, please keep it out of this thread and PM me. Thanks in advance.

That's the really high 400s, like 494 or something, remember.

[Texacon]

Tobin S.  (341 posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 09:07 AM
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1. It looks pretty shady, badgerpup

Here's a review of the plan from a web site that analyzes diets and reports the findings.

http://www.weknowdiets.co...sixWeekBodyMakeover.html?...

I know something that really works and I've lost 92 pounds on it ----> www.mpsweightloss.com They only have one location and it's here in Ohio. But everything can be conducted over the phone and through e-mail and snail mail for people who live far away. If you really follow the plan and stick with it you will lose the weight you want to lose. I've been able to do it without really exercising a whole lot. People who can't exercise at all have lost weight on this program.

It is pricey. The shortest program you can sign up for is 19 weeks. You can pay up front $494 or by the week at $28. I think you pay an extra $50 total to finance it. You can get one free consultation before you sign up.

I have seen people fail on this program, but it's not because of the program. It's because they are not motivated enough to change the way they eat. It's not difficult if you go in with a positive attitude and an open mind.

Hold the damn phone!  You mean they charge more than 10% INTEREST?!  Are you kidding me?!  That is usery my friends.  Wait until the rest of the DUmp finds out.

 

KC

[Ree]

The "fat" one wouldn't last a week on the 6 week body makeover....
It's a bitch no sugar, dairy, bread, pasta about 650 calories a day...
Plus 100oz of water per day....all ya do is go pee

[jtyangel]

The sad thing about weight loss is I think some people think they can 'buy' their way to being in shape when in reality, no amount of money replaces the will, time, effort, discipline, and hard work it takes to make it happen. NOTHING! I can see wanting to have a guide as you learn portions. Programs like Weight Watchers are good for this, but $500.00 for a program???? That a year premium membership to a gym(hell with my gym I even get cycling and the tanning booths thrown in that premium price) and one can research already how to eat online. The amount of weight someone willing ot put the effort into that can be lost in a year is phenomenal.

Just to encourage the dummies or anyone else, I'd put before and after pics, but I don't like ot put anything on the open here anymore. If anyone is curious, I'd be happy to send in pm what 18 months has done to me, but I won't lie about how much work it is. It truly is defeating at times, especially when goals come at a slower and slower pace.

[franksolich]

Just to encourage the dummies or anyone else, I'd put before and after pics, but I don't like ot put anything on the open here anymore. If anyone is curious, I'd be happy to send in pm what 18 months has done to me, but I won't lie about how much work it is. It truly is defeating at times, especially when goals come at a slower and slower pace.

You do fine, jtyangel.

You're awesome, and one of my heroes here.

[Karin]

Well, Chaos sounds like he's sticking to his plan.  I wish him well and congrat him on the 10 lbs. 

[JohnnyReb]

Fortunately I don't have a problem watching my weight.....it's all right here in front where I can keep an eye on it.

[The Village Idiot]

My goal is to lose a pound a week for a whole year. That should be doable.

[GOBUCKS]

In just three weeks on the plan..my wife has come down 6.

She could have done that by cutting back to a bucket of chicken and a small bag of Cheetos.

[Wineslob]

Stupid DUmmie, it's so damn easy.

Don't eat junk food.  None

No "regular" soda. Diet 0 calorie stuff only. (I can bet he pounds the stuff down)

Small(ish) breakfast. No bacon, no whole eggs (egg beaters type only). Fat reduced margirine.

Small lunch, mine's a diet soda and a granola bar. The bar is 140 cal.

Lots of skinless chicken, lean pork, rice dishes, and veggies for dinner. Limit beef.

No midnight snacks. (good luck bud)

I don't prescribe to any "diet", it's better to change what you eat.

If you need to count calories, here's a rule of thumb:  

Take the weight you want to hit and add a "0" to it. You want to weigh 200 lbs, eat 2000 calories a day.  150, 1500 and so on. Total calories is all that matters. To maintain your weight when you "hit" it, add 200 calories a day.

[thundley4]

Stupid DUmmie, it's so damn easy.

Don't eat junk food.  None

No "regular" soda. Diet 0 calorie stuff only. (I can bet he pounds the stuff down)

Small(ish) breakfast. No bacon, no whole eggs (egg beaters type only). Fat reduced margirine.

Small lunch, mine's a diet soda and a granola bar. The bar is 140 cal.

Lots of skinless chicken, lean pork, rice dishes, and veggies for dinner. Limit beef.

No midnight snacks. (good luck bud)

I don't prescribe to any "diet", it's better to change what you eat.

If you need to count calories, here's a rule of thumb:  

Take the weight you want to hit and add a "0" to it. You want to weigh 200 lbs, eat 2000 calories a day.  150, 1500 and so on. Total calories is all that matters. To maintain your weight when you "hit" it, add 200 calories a day.

Pretty good except for the midnight snack part.  The only snack food I kept around while dieting was celery and carrots.  Apples and oranges were also kind of a snack, but they counted in as calories.

[jtyangel]

Basal Metabolic Rate is your friend, as is a simple calorie counter for when you do activity(exercise) to figure out exactly how much of a deficit you are creating.

even the #s here sound low. A RESTING caloric intake for me is around 1500 calories. If I created a deficit it would be somewhere closer to 1300. With any activity it goes up from there. I generally expend anywhere from 500 to 1500 calories a day working out. To maintain my deficit I can have anywhere from 1800 to 2500 calories a day and still be ok. It's not enough to just say what you consume. It should be evened against the working out you do as well. It's a bit of balance. And people need to be honest with what they eat too.

Here is a simple BMR calc for anyone interested.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

[GOBUCKS]

Definition of a DUmmy: Someone who takes advice on a weight loss diet from a guy who weighs 494 pounds.

[crockspot]

When I lived in California, my deck overlooked a fairly busy road that led to the beach and had a main offramp from Hwy 1. For about two years, I would see a woman run by every day. She started out kinda dumpy (I suspect she had just had a child recently), and over the next year, got looking good. But then she hit a plateau for about six months. She looked pretty good, except that her ass was still pretty dumpy and saddlebaggy. But she didn't give up. She kept running every day, enduring the cat calls, obscene yells, and horn honks of people driving by on the road, usually responding to them with a flip of the bird or her own obscene exclamations. After about six more months of stubborn effort, she got over that plateau, and about six months after that, she was a frickin' goddess.

One day after she had attained buns of steel, I was walking down to the beach and found myself waiting with her at a crosswalk. I wanted to compliment her on not giving up, that it had paid off in spades. But she didn't know me from Adam, and I figured she would assume I was just another perv and stick her finger in my face, so I kept my mouth shut.

[The Village Idiot]

Definition of a DUmmy: Someone who takes advice on a weight loss diet from a guy who weighs 494 pounds.

no bread and no soft drinks will do it if you have any kind of activity level

[franksolich]

Definition of a DUmmy: Someone who takes advice on a weight loss diet from a guy who weighs 494 pounds.

Damn, you're good, sir.

Admirable.

[AllosaursRus]

Hey DUmbass, how 'bout pushin' yourself away from the table once in a while?

[Wineslob]

Hey DUmbass, how 'bout pushin' yourself away from the table once in a while?

Exactly right. The "diet" I listed does not care what your caloires are. Caloric intake is caloric intake.
While exercise is good for you, unless you have no life and can exercise all day, the only thing it will do is tighten up the underlying muscle, making you look thinner. Many times people working out will not lose alot of weight, but will thin down because of the loss of fat (remember, most times people are eating better at the same time, less calories) and gain of muscle, which is heavier than fat.

Here's a good chart:
http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm

[delilahmused]

Stupid DUmmie, it's so damn easy.

Don't eat junk food.  None

No "regular" soda. Diet 0 calorie stuff only. (I can bet he pounds the stuff down)

Small(ish) breakfast. No bacon, no whole eggs (egg beaters type only). Fat reduced margirine.

Small lunch, mine's a diet soda and a granola bar. The bar is 140 cal.

Lots of skinless chicken, lean pork, rice dishes, and veggies for dinner. Limit beef.

No midnight snacks. (good luck bud)

I don't prescribe to any "diet", it's better to change what you eat.

If you need to count calories, here's a rule of thumb:  

Take the weight you want to hit and add a "0" to it. You want to weigh 200 lbs, eat 2000 calories a day.  150, 1500 and so on. Total calories is all that matters. To maintain your weight when you "hit" it, add 200 calories a day.

Actually, the body needs to be fed about every three hours that you're awake, time of day has little to do with it. Body builders have known this for years (bodybuilding.com is a great resource for diet/nutrition information). Research has found that after three hours without food the body goes into starvation protection mode instead of expending those calories it stores them.

And more important than "low fat" is low glycemic. One of the best diets (and cheap because it's been around for so long that the book can be found in thrift stores and recipes abound on the internets) is the South Beach diet. It was developed by a cardiologist and is very healthy. If you really want to lose weight, build muscle.

Cindie

[jtyangel]

Exactly right. The "diet" I listed does not care what your caloires are. Caloric intake is caloric intake.
While exercise is good for you, unless you have no life and can exercise all day, the only thing it will do is tighten up the underlying muscle, making you look thinner. Many times people working out will not lose alot of weight, but will thin down because of the loss of fat (remember, most times people are eating better at the same time, less calories) and gain of muscle, which is heavier than fat.

Here's a good chart:
http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm

Ok, I gotta call you on this. It is a huge misconception that exercise has to take 'all day'. Working out regularly and at a training type of level which is what you are eluding to is a choice for those who enjoy it that comes out of their 'free' time and the obvious benefit many times is they 'look' a certain way--so what. No different then any other free time activity a person enjoys that one invests a lot of time into. How it's 'having no life' when it's something you choose as a part of your life is beyond me. *shrug* And your calories in versus out absolutely does make a difference. Weight loss will NOT happen unless you create a deficit--there are two ways to do this with one(both together) having the benefit of improving your cardiovascular health, strength, and your shape.

And another point of contention is over exercise: different kinds of exercise do different things. Certain exercises burn fat(and how you do them, HIIT?, for how long, etc), some build muscle like you said(and even there different movements, repetition, and weight builds mass versus length), and still others build cardiovascular endurance(HIIT is great for this as is cycling imo). I get it, some people don't like to exercise, but it's a fallacy that your average person has to spend a fortune of time in the gym to get in shape, but let's be honest IF you are looking for a certain result, it probably will require a certain time investment in exercise--but that's a choice and not wasted time as seems to be implied in your post. Who cares if someone spends their free time in the gym, running outside, or cycling? There are people who actually enjoy exercise as much as other people enjoy hobbies they sit on their hineys doing.


I think you get past this grueling, no life but in the gym attitude when you do it for long enough you see it differently. Every workout to me is like a new challenge. I love challenges and it's exciting to go in and see how hard and for how long I can push myself. It's exhilerating after and as rewarding as any other challenge I take on in my life. I know it sucks at first and nobody wants to do it...btdt...but it is a positive thing to pair with a healthy diet and should not be overlooked and certainly not put down--that's damn hard work there! 

(PS I have a life out of the gym too...just sayin)

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Ok, I gotta call you on this. It is a huge misconception that exercise has to take 'all day'. Working out regularly and at a training type of level which is what you are eluding to is a choice for those who enjoy it that comes out of their 'free' time and the obvious benefit many times is they 'look' a certain way--so what. No different then any other free time activity a person enjoys that one invests a lot of time into. How it's 'having no life' when it's something you choose as a part of your life is beyond me. *shrug* And your calories in versus out absolutely does make a difference. Weight loss will NOT happen unless you create a deficit--there are two ways to do this with one(both together) having the benefit of improving your cardiovascular health, strength, and your shape.

And another point of contention is over exercise: different kinds of exercise do different things. Certain exercises burn fat(and how you do them, HIIT?, for how long, etc), some build muscle like you said(and even there different movements, repetition, and weight builds mass versus length), and still others build cardiovascular endurance(HIIT is great for this as is cycling imo). I get it, some people don't like to exercise, but it's a fallacy that your average person has to spend a fortune of time in the gym to get in shape, but let's be honest IF you are looking for a certain result, it probably will require a certain time investment in exercise--but that's a choice and not wasted time as seems to be implied in your post. Who cares if someone spends their free time in the gym, running outside, or cycling? There are people who actually enjoy exercise as much as other people enjoy hobbies they sit on their hineys doing.


I think you get past this grueling, no life but in the gym attitude when you do it for long enough you see it differently. Every workout to me is like a new challenge. I love challenges and it's exciting to go in and see how hard and for how long I can push myself. It's exhilerating after and as rewarding as any other challenge I take on in my life. I know it sucks at first and nobody wants to do it...btdt...but it is a positive thing to pair with a healthy diet and should not be overlooked and certainly not put down--that's damn hard work there! 

(PS I have a life out of the gym too...just sayin)

Nope! even a half hour everyday of walking if you can't do anything else works wonders!

[Wineslob]

Better look at the charts, Arobics done for ONE HOUR only burns just over 500 calories. Exercise is not the be-all end-all to weight loss.
Now, I'm NOT saying don't exercise, but don't expect to go to your gym for an hour (I don't have the time or money for a gym) 3X a week and think thats going to make you lose weight. It will help, somewhat. I'd rather be in good shape from a diet change and reasonable daily activity than be one of the gym critters that "live" at the gym. Thats not reality.
Again, look at the charts, even at a Pro level, say like Lance Armstrong, you only burn 1500 calories an HOUR.
Can anyone here do that level of phyisical activity?

[Wineslob]

Actually, the body needs to be fed about every three hours that you're awake, time of day has little to do with it. Body builders have known this for years (bodybuilding.com is a great resource for diet/nutrition information). Research has found that after three hours without food the body goes into starvation protection mode instead of expending those calories it stores them.

And more important than "low fat" is low glycemic. One of the best diets (and cheap because it's been around for so long that the book can be found in thrift stores and recipes abound on the internets) is the South Beach diet. It was developed by a cardiologist and is very healthy. If you really want to lose weight, build muscle.

Cindie

I went from 260lbs to 225 with the above "diet" in 6-7 months. No activity change. My wife hates me.  YMMV.

One thing, I cannot have ANY impact on my ankles, I have bone spurs, so running, jumping, etc, is out. Thats the reason I studied up on HOW to lose weight without being a gym critter. No impact what-so-ever.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Better look at the charts, Arobics done for ONE HOUR only burns just over 500 calories. Exercise is not the be-all end-all to weight loss.
Now, I'm NOT saying don't exercise, but don't expect to go to your gym for an hour (I don't have the time or money for a gym) 3X a week and think thats going to make you lose weight. It will help, somewhat. I'd rather be in good shape from a diet change and reasonable daily activity than be one of the gym critters that "live" at the gym. Thats not reality.
Again, look at the charts, even at a Pro level, say like Lance Armstrong, you only burn 1500 calories an HOUR.
Can anyone here do that level of phyisical activity?

Huh? They must be dragging ass! I burn about 500 in 30 minutes!

[jtyangel]

Better look at the charts, Arobics done for ONE HOUR only burns just over 500 calories. Exercise is not the be-all end-all to weight loss.
Now, I'm NOT saying don't exercise, but don't expect to go to your gym for an hour (I don't have the time or money for a gym) 3X a week and think thats going to make you lose weight. It will help, somewhat. I'd rather be in good shape from a diet change and reasonable daily activity than be one of the gym critters that "live" at the gym. Thats not reality.
Again, look at the charts, even at a Pro level, say like Lance Armstrong, you only burn 1500 calories an HOUR.
Can anyone here do that level of phyisical activity?

Wineslob, you do realize there are personal calorie counters right? And that there are varying activities and varying intensities right? Personal ones account for weight, gender, and age--major extenuating factors that mess with the accuracy on say a treadmill and even so EVERYONE who does this understands they are estimates. 500 calories in an hour? Doing what? Walking at a moderate pace on a treadmill? Sure, that sounds about right. I've burned about 800 in an hour long kickboxing class before though and when I'm in a high gear mode where I challenge myself to do more(not for any purpose but I enjoy the challenge) I've burned up to 1500. You can make 500 not seem like a lot, but when we are talking 1800 calories in a day to consume that's almost 1/3 of that so it does make a difference.

I think you are criticizing it because dyou don't LIKE OR WANT to do it. Why? what's the point? So you don't like to be physically active? Ok, good for you. What's the point of putting down someone that does? What's the problem with the fact that some 'gym critters' prefer spending a couple hours a day in physical activity rather then planting their asses on the couch watching a couple of stupid tv shows? I mean after all that is what it boils down to is choices. I could care less really if someone wants to spend their evening plopped onthe couch, but don't then tell me that physical activity doesn't matter because someone doesn't want to do it. The rules of weight loss don't change because someone doesn't like those rules. If those 250 calories for 30 minutes don't matter, then why are you reducing your calories by that much every day to lose weight? 

I think you are the one who is implying a be all end all in diet. All anyone else was suggesting is that it takes BOTH. I don't see anyone here asserting only physical activity, but certainly a certain someone implying that only diet is the way to go.