I know I'm not rich enough to just throw money around like that.
But apparently the people living on my tax dollars are entitled to do so.
deminks (7,746 posts)
The poor in Kansas can now only withdraw $25 US per day from an ATM.
Last edited Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:31 PM - Edit history (3)
Nevermind that they can't spend cash assistance on booze and cruises. That was not enough punishment. By golly, they can only withdraw $25/day. /sarcasm off.
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-04-16/gov-sam-brownback-signs-controversial-welfare-legislation
Gov. Sam Brownback signed into law Thursday legislation limiting Kansas welfare recipients to no more than $25 daily from an ATM and prohibiting families from spending that cash assistance on trips to swimming pools and movie theaters as well as casinos and liquor stores.
(snip)
“Child poverty and homelessness in Kansas are at record levels," said Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley, D-Topeka. "Governor Brownback’s reckless economic experiment has significantly increased taxes on low-income Kansans. And, now, the governor has signed a punitive and highly judgmental piece of legislation that imposes illogical reforms that make it harder for Kansans in need to break the cycle and climb out of poverty."
(end snip)
Another element of the bill:
One element of the bill has drawn criticism for being anti-family. If a person is found to commit benefits fraud, that person and other adults living in the same home would be banned for life from receiving public assistance dollars. Critics say this provision would penalize people for being married if one spouse abuses the system without the other’s knowledge.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article18674886.html#storylink=cpy
So, if you go swimming and are caught using cash assistance, then you and every other adult in the house are banned for life. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
Yet another element of the bill:
Shannon Cotsoradis, president of the advocacy group Kansas Action for Children, said that the bill does more than just restrict where welfare recipients can spend their money. She highlighted that the legislation would require a woman to return to work shortly after having a baby in order to keep her assistance and that the bill makes it more difficult to qualify for childcare assistance.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article18673983.html#storylink=cpy
What war on women? What war on the poor? What war on the elderly? What war on the veterans?
OMG - what the bill does not ban spending for:
Interestingly, the bill does not bar TANF recipients from buying guns and ammunition with their welfare checks. The spokesperson for the Kansas Department of Children and Families said that TANF checks are meant to be spent on necessities – and defended the exemption for weapons on the grounds that if they are needed to protect a family in a “dangerous neighborhood†or to hunt for food, they could be considered a necessity.
- See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Welfare-Crackdown-Kansas-Bans-Cruises-Poor#sthash.GT1qni6b.dpuf
TexasMommaWithAHat (1,229 posts)
1. HUH?
So the fridge is empty, you are waiting for the money, and when it comes, you can only withdraw $25? This is ridiculous.
JimDandy (4,745 posts)
45. Purchases at Point of Sale machines in grocery stores were not limited
Only cash withdrawals from ATMS were limited to $25 (which is still awful).
Shut-up, freeper troll!
KT2000 (11,363 posts)
2. how can they pay bills
such as rent and utilities?
I hope someone puts together a class action lawsuit.
hlthe2b (54,145 posts)
7. The only way one can begin to get ahead on groceries & household necessities...
is to buy in bulk and have certain staples on hand.
This is beyond ugly and indefensible.
jwirr (28,943 posts)
37. You just hit on what I want to know - why has no one taken these laws to court? These are mostly
federally funded programs and they have federal guidelines. Surely this stuff is not legal. If I could only withdraw $25 a day there would be a charge each time I used the ATM machine and I would be even poorer.
And friends who live in Kansas in 2016 GOTV. These people need to go.
I expect to see this in the next couple of years:
Taking a page from The Gospel of Fag Marriage the Proglodytes can't get minimum living standard laws passed so they sue under the "general welfare" clause to have the measures put into place.
Sanity Claws (14,446 posts)
3. ATMs I know allow withdrawals in increments of $20 only
So they are really limited to withdrawing $20 per day.
Electric Monk (11,846 posts)
10. The extra $5 is to cover the service fee for each withdrawal
How is this not simply a gift to the banks in the form of an extra tax on the poor?
treestar (55,946 posts)
30. The banks have to do the work though
Who pays for that - we all do in fees for the additional, I guess it's IT work.
The banks have say a $200 daily limit. To make that different for some people, they have to make a program that determines who is "poor" and have the ATM programmed to have a different limit for the Poor vs. Everyone Else.
Electric Monk (11,846 posts)
33. You don't think they charge more than it costs per transaction? They make profit off it. nt
treestar (55,946 posts)
59. That's what I said, the other customers will pay too
as they'll be the ones paying for the technology.
Electric Monk (11,846 posts)
61. You are advocating overcharging the poor to subsidize the middle and upper classes? Seriously? nt
treestar (55,946 posts)
62. What?
I was merely observing that companies pass their costs on to customers. Geez!
Lifelong Protester (5,974 posts)
12. so if you are poor, no swimming lessons? (many are at a pool)
No pool birthday parties? (That's popular here, especially in the winter-they go to a local motel with a pool that charges a fee per swimmer)/
Well ****!
The poor ol' poor. Can't spend their days lounging and splashing at the pool. However was this injustice allowed to metastasize in America?
You know...I'm sick of being middle-class. I bust hump doing a full work week plus standing out in the snow, rain and heat whenever I have to play Army.
I think I would rather be poor so I can go to the ****ing pool all day with $25 of other people's money to spend on whatever the **** I want!
deminks (7,746 posts)
15. Not in Brownbackistan. If you are poor and want to go swimming, get a job, GOPers say.
What they don't understand in their feverish frenzy to stem the tide of the heathen poor is that many if not most of them are working.
And lounging at the pool does what to change this?
daredtowork (2,441 posts)
16. Why hasn't Kansas started a Recall movement yet? nt
Because the people who have to pay the taxes to support this welfare queens are glad someone finally listens to them.
stevenleser (22,700 posts)
17. Propaganda designed to shift attention away from Brownback's massive economic failures. nt
If you cannot answer something except to say it's propaganda the odds are your answer is nothing more than propaganda.
ananda (14,319 posts)
18. Poor shaming and blaming for their own ills.
I really hate what Reeps are doing these days.
They have lost their hearts and minds.
I never used to hate the poor.
At one time I even had sympathy.
You people made me hate the poor.
Spitfire of ATJ (21,122 posts)
35. Republicans should ALL be grilled about their support of this.
And dems grilled for their opposition.
americannightmare (212 posts)
38. And how...
does this help their economy?
By not taking dollars out of the economy in exchange for the non-productive spending pennies while the rest is chewed up by bureaucrats.
abelenkpe (8,907 posts)
40. Wait, poor kids can't learn to swim?
And 25 dollars a day?
And these programs are all temporary assistance?
How could anyone work their way out of homelessness or bankruptcy or poverty of any sort in such a system? Or survive?
This is in effect now?
OMG, they're not even allowed to report or advertise that TANF and SNAP programs are available in the state. Sounds like an effort to encourage needy people to leave the state. Is that too cynical of me?
Rising out of homelessness or bankruptcy depends on spending food stamp money on swimming lessons?
byronius (3,225 posts)
42. Stupid and Cruel, like everything conservative.
BTW, don't forget that most of that money comes from Blue States. Kansas can't pay for anything anymore without help from California.
What do they call that -- oh yeah, codependency. Left to themselves, Kansas dies as a state. Because conservatism is parasitism.
SoapBox (9,875 posts)
52. Why doesn't he just kill them?
Seems that is about how evil the guy and his ilk are...the way they treat Americans...disgraceful.
Yes, he can just throw them into the deep end of the pool.
Oh, wait. That's how most people were taught to swim.
ErikJ (5,073 posts)
54. Probably helps the compulsive spenders though.
I work with a transexual ex-con that gets a chunk of money the 1st part of the month and immediately goes on frivolous shopping spreess at the mall requiring a helper to haul the bags. He/she canNOT control her spending! Buys everything she likes. Real fashion hog.
Its all gone within a few days after she also pays back friends some of the money who lent her survival money for the rest of the month. She admits she needs SOMEBODY to help her budget her $. Its a real mental problem.
Shut-up poor fag hater!
roamer65 (7,878 posts)
63. Typical Rethug scumsuckers.
They want to make sure abortion is damn near illegal, then zero support for the kid once it is born.
Close your legs you stupid whore.
Or do you imagine you're entitled to indiscriminate sex while the rest of us are obligated to pay for the results?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026517557As I said earlier:
I never used to hate the poor.
Proglodytes made me hate the poor.
